Is bread generally fattening?
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Gosh, don't people get bored of repeating their arguments over and over and over every month as each repeat of an already done to death topic comes up ? Seems wasteful of time and energy, to say the least.
Correcting misinformation does not seem like a waste of time to me.0 -
No. High GI does not negate the laws of thermodynamics. Given adequate protein intake, your statement is incorrect.It's pretty simple.
Eat less than you burn - lose weight
Eat less processed and high GI foods - lose fat
Eat less calories while eating a high GI diet - lose muscle, gain fat
If you want to lose weight, eat whatever you want. If you want to look good, reduce the sugar.
^ This is correct.
Glycemic index is really not very important under most contexts.
https://api.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
^^good reads.0 -
I encourage everyone to do some research on the topic before commenting and possibly effecting other people's decisions.
Please do some research on sugar's effects on:
Testosterone
HGH
Leptin
Glucagon
Thyroxine
Epinephrine
I would encourage you to do the same sir.0 -
Like I said, what you put into your body affects how many calories you burn. The second, and more important thing to consider is how insulin shuts off the fat burning hormones. This results in skinny- at, or just regular fat
And I ask again, in a calorie deficit, what happens to this fat? Are you saying that I will start metabolizing muscle even though I'm strength training?0 -
i heard your heart will explode but who really knows0
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Just curious since I binged on 4 biscuits.
No way. =D0 -
This is how I understand what he is saying:It's pretty simple.
Eat less than you burn - lose weight
Eat less processed and high GI foods - lose fat
Eat less calories while eating a high GI diet - lose muscle, gain fat
If you want to lose weight, eat whatever you want. If you want to look good, reduce the sugar.
1. If you eat less than you burn, you lose weight. HOWEVER, WHAT you eat determines WHAT you lose (muscle or fat).
2. If you eat less processed foods and less high GI foods you will lose fat. High GI foods are white bread, white rice, white potatoes. If you all think it wont' make you fat to eat white rice, white bread and white potatoes then raise your hand if these things are often included in your diary. How many of you who raised your hand have a stomach which is not flabby and contains excess fat?
3. Eat less calories than you burn yet most of those foods are high GI foods you will lose muscle and gain fat because you are not getting enough protein due to your calorie deficit and you are eating GI foods to fill those calories. Your body then turns to your muscle fibers and breaks them down to supply the rest of your tissues with the amino acids, or protein building blocks, it needs. Your cells then use these amino acids to synthesize new proteins you require.
So can bread be fattening? It does nothing healthy for you. It does break down as a sugar, but not the same as when protein breaks down as a sugar. That is two entirely different things. One does good things for your body and the other bad.0 -
Like I said, what you put into your body affects how many calories you burn. The second, and more important thing to consider is how insulin shuts off the fat burning hormones. This results in skinny- at, or just regular fat
And I ask again, in a calorie deficit, what happens to this fat? Are you saying that I will start metabolizing muscle even though I'm strength training?
Without getting into a serious biochem lesson...
1. In a energy (caloric) deficit, your body will use glycogen (energy stored in muscle tissue and liver) before it uses triglycerides (energy stored in fat); glycogen is short term storage, triglycerides are long term, and your body wants to be as efficient as possible.
2. After glycogen has been depleted, triglycerides are released into the blood stream and converted for energy.
3. If you're body is receiving an overabundance of simple/refined carbohydrates, they will be stored as triglycerides.
4. Adequate protein intake will allow you to maintain your muscle mass and replenish glycogen stores.
If you want deeper science, try here: http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/5900verviewmet.html
Does that help?0 -
This is how I understand what he is saying and I agree:It's pretty simple.
Eat less than you burn - lose weight
Eat less processed and high GI foods - lose fat
Eat less calories while eating a high GI diet - lose muscle, gain fat
If you want to lose weight, eat whatever you want. If you want to look good, reduce the sugar.
1. If you eat less than you burn, you lose weight. HOWEVER, WHAT you eat determines WHAT you lose (muscle or fat).
2. If you eat less processed foods and less high GI foods you will lose fat. High GI foods are white bread, white rice, white potatoes. If you all think it wont' make you fat to eat white rice, white bread and white potatoes then raise your hand if these things are often included in your diary. How many of you who raised your hand have a stomach which is not flabby and contains excess fat?
I eat several high GI foods. The glycemic index is irrelevant under the majority of contexts for a variety of reasons that have been explained in links that you must not have clicked on yet, but for starters here you go:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index
Please note: There are links to actual research in the above. Yes it is an MFP post but click on it and read the attached peer reviewed research as it is very relevant to this discussion and should clear up your misconceptions about GI.
I do not have a flabby gut.3. Eat less calories than you burn yet most of those foods are high GI foods you will lose muscle and gain fat because you are not getting enough protein due to your calorie deficit and you are eating GI foods to fill those calories. your body turns to your muscle fibers and breaks them down to supply the rest of your tissues with the amino acids, or protein building blocks, it needs. Your cells then use these amino acids to synthesize new proteins you require.
One can eat at a deficit with high GI carbohydrates and still consume adequate protein to maintain muscle mass.So can bread be fattening? It does nothing healthy for you. It does break down as a sugar, but not the same as when protein breaks down as a sugar.
The manner in which it breaks down isn't of much consequence when you're talking about net fat storage or net fat oxidation.0 -
There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
I would feel extremely guilty if I sided with telling overweight members to not worry about eating "high GI" foods. That's almost mean.0 -
There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.0 -
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.0 -
As usual in these scaremongering threads - plenty of people who completely ignore context and dosage.
Without enough water, you will dehydrate and die.
With sufficient water, you will survive and prosper.
With too much water, you will suffer from hyponatremia and possibly die.
Death is the consequence in 2 out of 3 scenarios involving water. Therefore, water is highly dangerous, leads to death in the majority of situations and should be avoided entirely. Never mind the flipside that the body actually requires adequate levels to survive.0 -
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.0 -
You have a six pack. Can I see your diary to see how you eat "plenty of high GI foods" as you claim?0
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No not that part.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?0 -
I didn't say that, you did. I am actually a really sweet person. I want to see your diary to see all of the "high GI foods" you just claimed you eat PLENTY of. You have a 6 pack I see that. I always heard abs were made in the kitchen. I am going to eat more high GI foods if this is your diet as you claim.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.0 -
You have a six pack. Can I see your diary to see how you eat "plenty of high GI foods" as you claim?
I got to chime in that I got him hooked on Krave Double chocolate cereal and Reese's Puff's.... My Bad...... :drinker:0 -
I call your bluff!
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.0 -
You have a six pack. Can I see your diary to see how you eat "plenty of high GI foods" as you claim?
I got to chime in that I got him hooked on Krave Double chocolate cereal and Reese's Puff's.... My Bad...... :drinker:
^ This stuff is excellent.0 -
There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Come on, let me see it.0 -
Don't be shy. . .show me.You have a six pack. Can I see your diary to see how you eat "plenty of high GI foods" as you claim?
I got to chime in that I got him hooked on Krave Double chocolate cereal and Reese's Puff's.... My Bad...... :drinker:
^ This stuff is excellent.0 -
I didn't say that, you did. I am actually a really sweet person. I want to see your diary to see all of the "high GI foods" you just claimed you eat PLENTY of. You have a 6 pack I see that. I always heard abs were made in the kitchen. I am going to eat more high GI foods if this is your diet as you claim.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.
The individual food sources are not relevant.
In order of importance:
Calories
Macronutrients (sufficient protein and dietary fat, enough carbs to meet preferential and performance needs)
Micronutrients (Eating crap all day may lead you to nutrient deficiencies)
How you compose your diet as far as individual food items leaves you with a whole lot of personal preference.
Please (seriously) read the linked thread that I attached on glycemic index. It's a great write up and it contains the necessary research to point out the flaws in the GI index.0 -
no, just the amount you shovel into your mouth and at the rate at which the shovel is inserted with said bread.0
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I put micronutrients first. Macros are second.
I didn't say that, you did. I am actually a really sweet person. I want to see your diary to see all of the "high GI foods" you just claimed you eat PLENTY of. You have a 6 pack I see that. I always heard abs were made in the kitchen. I am going to eat more high GI foods if this is your diet as you claim.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.
The individual food sources are not relevant.
In order of importance:
Calories
Macronutrients (sufficient protein and dietary fat, enough carbs to meet preferential and performance needs)
Micronutrients (Eating crap all day may lead you to nutrient deficiencies)
How you compose your diet as far as individual food items leaves you with a whole lot of personal preference.
Please (seriously) read the linked thread that I attached on glycemic index. It's a great write up and it contains the necessary research to point out the flaws in the GI index.0 -
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That's what I thought. You are full of **** and telling these people here something which can kill them.
Don't be shy. . .show me.You have a six pack. Can I see your diary to see how you eat "plenty of high GI foods" as you claim?
I got to chime in that I got him hooked on Krave Double chocolate cereal and Reese's Puff's.... My Bad...... :drinker:
^ This stuff is excellent.
I have presented you with information that is research based and well documented. You are more interested in my own dietary choices then you are in learning, for some reason.
I wish you no ill-will here, but I think you should consider actually reading what I posted. You may benefit from it.0 -
That's what I thought. You are full of **** and telling these people here something which can kill them.
JFC, exaggerate much?0 -
I put micronutrients first. Macros are second.
I didn't say that, you did. I am actually a really sweet person. I want to see your diary to see all of the "high GI foods" you just claimed you eat PLENTY of. You have a 6 pack I see that. I always heard abs were made in the kitchen. I am going to eat more high GI foods if this is your diet as you claim.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.
The individual food sources are not relevant.
In order of importance:
Calories
Macronutrients (sufficient protein and dietary fat, enough carbs to meet preferential and performance needs)
Micronutrients (Eating crap all day may lead you to nutrient deficiencies)
How you compose your diet as far as individual food items leaves you with a whole lot of personal preference.
Please (seriously) read the linked thread that I attached on glycemic index. It's a great write up and it contains the necessary research to point out the flaws in the GI index.
They are both important, I was strictly speaking about fat loss/getting a 6 pack.
Generally speaking (this is very vague)
Calories ---> Change in weight.
Macronutrients ---> Change in body composition
Micronutrients ---> Health
And there is some minor overlap but that's a broad categorization as a general tool for people.
Food selection can vary quite heavily and still produce excellent results.0 -
That's what I thought. You are full of **** and telling these people here something which can kill them.
Don't be shy. . .show me.You have a six pack. Can I see your diary to see how you eat "plenty of high GI foods" as you claim?
I got to chime in that I got him hooked on Krave Double chocolate cereal and Reese's Puff's.... My Bad...... :drinker:
^ This stuff is excellent.
He may have you on ignore. Either way, not everyone will snap to attention and do as you want right then. Maybe you could have sent a PM to ask nicely. He has given a lot of good information, in this thread and in many others...especially in the Eat, Train, Progress. He and Sara take the time out of their days, for free, to help many.
And if he doesn't want to make his diary public, so be it. That doesn't negate the info that he presented.0
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