For those of you that invite others to objectify you:

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CorvusCorax77

OP have you read The Female Eunoch? It's a good read. I found it to be very insightful on why some women think the way they do. It actually helped me realize women need to loosen up more. I didn't agree with the whole book, but as I say; insightful.

I had totally thought this was a stab at me for getting all geeky, but then I looked it up and it's a real book. Huh. I love geeks. Has anyone here read ****? I haven't. But I keep meaning to. Is it any good?

No, actually, I read your post and liked it

Not a stab at you at all. But I do like to read and be silly, too. At first I was looking at those "objectifying" threads thinking I'd have a good laugh if someone said something insulting to someone (shame on me), but they never do and I realized they're having a blast. So was "lurkin'"

As for that book, I enjoyed it. It goes really deep into what makes us women tick and how society has "programmed" us to think the way we do over the centuries. It definitely covers men's perception of women and the whole feminist revolution... lol pretty deep. It's been a while since I read it, but I still got that sucker.

eta: I'd check it out at a Barnes & Noble or something. I'm not sure just how nerdy you are or if you'd actually like to read something like that. Even thumbing through it could be enlightening.

I worked at a bookstore before I went to grad school.

TOTAL. GEEK.

PattyJane167

My goal is to be eye candy for as many women as possible.

Mmmm doing a great job as we speak!!

oregonzoo

Don't let these folks get you down... you have made some great points. I applaud you for being young and realizing it's not all about the outside. And don't worry, we'll see what some of these folks who have lost tons of weight and are feeling so full of themselves and think it's cool to put down your post - look like this time next year or so. Bet half of them will be back the size they were or weigh more than they did before.. We'll see how much they'll want to be "objectified" then.

The OP actually managed to verbalize herself in a pretty intelligent non bitter or snarky way.
It's unfortunate the same cannot be said for you.

jasmine_ashby

See I reckon you're about an 8 or a 9,
Maybe even 9 and a half in four beers time.
That blue top shop top you've got on IS nice,
Bit too much fake tan though - but yeah you score high.

But there's just one little thing that really really,
Really really annoying me about you you see,
Yeah yeah like I said you are really fit
But my gosh don't you just know it

I'm not trying to pull you
Even though I would like to
I think you are really fit
You're fit But my gosh don't you know it

@smithaldo - impressive poetry! your're a 10! Bang, Smash, Hot Affair!:laugh:

Oh it's on

you guys getting all flirty with each other is a 9. Would bang.

The guy is quoting a song btw! - www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gvmHKWaWc

I never claimed I'd made it up...btw

I never said you did...

blackcloud13

Also, remember that 99.9% of the people here have never met (and will actually never) meet each other or get to really know one another - so it just seems like harmless (and very optional) entertainment to me

Cait_Sidhe

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

jonnythan

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

jasmine_ashby

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

and they're not in the east?

Warchortle

I felt like I knew more about the world when I was 5 than I do now.

DalekBrittany

Well, the way I see it, I'm like, a solid 4. People on those threads always give me a good 7 or 8. So really, it's where I go when I want people to tell me I'm pretty because everyone totally lies on those threads to make people feel good. It's a win/win.

jonnythan

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

and they're not in the east?

Might be. Probably are. Dunno. Not much experience with those cultures, and they don't seem to be represented much on MFP.

JUDDDing

Woman's Studies major?

That was exactly my thought too...

I'm a bad person.

christahollis

Agreed. The rate threads are just useless, and I avoid them.

Cait_Sidhe

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

Wait what? What does that have to do with those threads? Cause I was referring to those threads.

I wasn't aware we were talking about worldwide gender inequality. But if we were, I can guarantee you that I am aware.

meeper123

just stay out of them then cant control others focus on you

EvilDollee

As Ryan Driller once said "I'd feel worse if you weren't objectifying me". But really, no one gives a flying fuuuuuuuuuuuuu what people say or do online and if anything online matters, you need to reevaluate your priorities. Why would anything said online taken seriously? Everyone are adults here, you can't "train" them because they know how to think for themselves.

Shabadu

When you post things like "bang, date, marry?" or "cute, hot, or sexy?" and ask people to objectify you, you are training them to think of everyone around them in those terms. You invite them to make a value judgement of your body, and they begin to make those judgements about others. I speak not just on behalf of women but of everyone on this site. Our culture places way too much value on judgements about people. Is it not enough to just be what you are? Do you have to be "bangable" or "flirty" or have all of these other labels attached to you? And if you do, could you handle that somewhere other than a site for folks who aren't satisfied with their bodies anyways? I realize an ego boost is nice, and I don't mind getting ego boosts every so often, but maybe the place for that is your personal profile or a "hot or not" site.

I can't tell you guys what to post or what to think- the purpose of this post is to invite some discussion about how we create these labels and values for each other and ourselves even as they make us uncomfortable or sad. Many women feel that a "male-dominated culture" has set up these cages of self-judgement for them, but then they go out in pants that say "juicy" across their butts or ask others how hot they are from 1-10. I try really hard to avoid these types of discussions, firstly because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and secondly because I feel that I have value in and of myself, not just when I'm given a number or a name.

What do you guys think? Do you like it when people tell you you're a certain type of person? Do you like it when people rate you? Do you think others like it when you rate them?

Bang

jonnythan

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

Wait what? What does that have to do with those threads? Cause I was referring to those threads.

I wasn't aware we were talking about worldwide gender inequality. But if we were, I can guarantee you that I am aware.

I know what you were referring to. You said those threads don't have an effect on you.

News flash: they do.

effrontery

Agree with the OP, and think you're pretty damn brave for voicing your opinion!

Tennolina

^ this!

etoiles_argentees

Do not care about other's opinions. Only mine.

Cait_Sidhe

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

Wait what? What does that have to do with those threads? Cause I was referring to those threads.

I wasn't aware we were talking about worldwide gender inequality. But if we were, I can guarantee you that I am aware.

I know what you were referring to. You said those threads don't have an effect on you.

News flash: they do.

Reaching just a tad.

Admiral_Derp

Oishii

I find the OP's belief that objectification on mfp will spill into real life very Interesting. I don't participate in those threads, but I am sure my impressions of male and female beauty will have been subtly altered by my presence on mfp. I probably accept a more muscular look as being desirable than I did before. When I see a beautiful body now, one thing I notice is muscle definition or lack of it, whereas previously I would not have noticed so much. Do I think this is bad? Not really. As long as I am conscious of how such a bias developed and I do not use it to judge the intrinsic worth of a person.

As for the influence of the 'objectifying' threads in real life, surely it would be an improvement if everyone saw all of those around them as rating in the 8-10 range. I've never scored people that way myself (though I used to write top 10s of boys I liked as a teen) but it is unreasonable to Pretend that mindset exists purely on mfp.

I fell asleep half-way through writing this, so someone may have said all of this already! Sorry! :flowerforyou:

Oishii

I avoid those threads because I think they're stupid. But it has no effect on me whatsoever if others do. In short, who cares?

Anyone perceptive enough to realize that gender issues are one of the biggest problems in western society.

and they're not in the east?

Might be. Probably are. Dunno. Not much experience with those cultures, and they don't seem to be represented much on MFP.

It doesn't take much reading around to realise that 'gender issues' are a far bigger issue outside of the 'Western world'. Today there are still places where a woman can be stoned to death for being raped...

And, returning to the thread, where women do not have the choice to choose to be objectified freely. Here, I can wear what I want, flaunt what I want and not be killed for it. Perhaps the ability to 'ask to be objectified' at will is a freedom we should be proud of...

Cr01502

Hey OP those threads are completely lame I agree. But to say that rating someone's body is objectifying them is a stretch.

We're on a fitness site. Believe it or not alot of people partake in fitness to become more attractive. The fact that they're receiving compliments about their bodies (usually it's the same compliment and the same people over and over again for 20+ pages) isn't objectification or lack of respect. I think your high more code would be better suited to real life situations that actually matter.

mrphil86

SerenaFisher

My goal is to be eye candy for as many women as possible.

Funny that's my goal too.


The objectification happens whether we like it or not in public its just not openly said...

MelMoly

Don't talk about my eye candy like that!