Embarrassed to go jogging because of pervs.

DavPul

sorry, didn't hear you. i was in the middle of empowering my two daughters to have the courage to walk outside.

BeachIron

Wow what did I come back to?

The Smith College reunion thread

Cornell grad here.

My point was that a thread about jogging outside has been turned into a thread about rape. I have a wife and 2 daughters, it's not like the issue hasn't crossed my mind. Then again, my wife is a strong woman and knows how to protect herself pretty well, and we're raising our daughters to also be strong. It's better than staying inside frightened of the world. And no, I am not minimizing the impact of rape on a woman's life, but this thread wasn't about that until it took this turn.

Like I said to the OP previously, learn to be aware, not frightened of the world, and I frankly agree with DavPul on this. Raise your daughters to be strong.

CorvusCorax77

sorry, didn't hear you. i was in the middle of empowering my two daughters to have the courage to walk outside.

I just saw ur post on beachiron's page. I really wish you had spoken like this here instead of saying what you did. I do not think women are doomed to be raped. I do not think men who shout "nice *kitten*" are rapists. I don't think women should not live life to the fullest because rape happens.

I do think the woman's point was totally taken wrong by you- her point was about trauma and living in a culture where rape is unfortunately very common- and simply wanting people to understand why a woman may be scared.

Please raise your daughters to be strong and empowered. And I will raise my son to respect women and men.

But also please understand that rape happens. It happens to women you know and love and it's scary and it hurts and comments like the one you said is kinda, well, ****ty.

CorvusCorax77

Wow what did I come back to?

The Smith College reunion thread

Cornell grad here.

My point was that a thread about jogging outside has been turned into a thread about rape. I have a wife and 2 daughters, it's not like the issue hasn't crossed my mind. Then again, my wife is a strong woman and knows how to protect herself pretty well, and we're raising our daughters to also be strong. It's better than staying inside frightened of the world. And no, I am not minimizing the impact of rape on a woman's life, but this thread wasn't about that until it took this turn.

Like I said to the OP previously, learn to be aware, not frightened of the world, and I frankly agree with DavPul on this. Raise your daughters to be strong.

When I came into the thread, people were saying **** like rape doesn't happen that much and women cry rape when he didn't call the next day.

I can't not say something... And it sucks to be confronted with comments like yours because I won't remain silent when people say things like that

stephaniemejia1671

I found a park that has a trail with gravel and is well populated during the day. I can run in a circle for miles without a care as to oncoming traffic and that makes me happy. The people who are there are also doing the same thing I am, being that everyone is in the same space they stick to their stuff and I to mine - everyone happy.

BeachIron

Wow what did I come back to?

The Smith College reunion thread

Cornell grad here.

My point was that a thread about jogging outside has been turned into a thread about rape. I have a wife and 2 daughters, it's not like the issue hasn't crossed my mind. Then again, my wife is a strong woman and knows how to protect herself pretty well, and we're raising our daughters to also be strong. It's better than staying inside frightened of the world. And no, I am not minimizing the impact of rape on a woman's life, but this thread wasn't about that until it took this turn.

Like I said to the OP previously, learn to be aware, not frightened of the world, and I frankly agree with DavPul on this. Raise your daughters to be strong.

When I came into the thread, people were saying **** like rape doesn't happen that much and women cry rape when he didn't call the next day.

I can't not say something... And it sucks to be confronted with comments like yours because I won't remain silent when people say things like that

There were one or two posters who stated that they have the opinion that rape statistics are inflated. To be honest, I think it would be an interesting discussion on statistics if it wasn't so emotionally charged. The problem is that this entire thread has gone off the rails because of the emotional charged word "rape" starting getting thrown around a bit too casually, and I honestly think that is what DavPul was responding to. I do not pretend to speak for him, however, as he's more than capable of speaking for himself.

I can tell you that as a man, the rape conversation as it's gone in this thread disturbs me. There is quite a distance between the man that would actually rape and the man that has no compunction about walking up to a woman and complementing her. And I'm sorry, but for every woman who deals with cat calls there's another overreacting about a guy saying anything at all to her. Then again, there's another college girl jumping into cars with guys she doesn't know because she's on Spring Break and feeling "frisky." I've seen it all. So yes, there's two sides to every story.

But back to the point of this thread. It was about a woman who was afraid to jog because someone might or would say something to her. No one here knows much more than that, but EVERYONE of us dropped out own world views into our reactions to her. And for that we ARE ALL guilty.

CorvusCorax77

Wow what did I come back to?

The Smith College reunion thread

Cornell grad here.

My point was that a thread about jogging outside has been turned into a thread about rape. I have a wife and 2 daughters, it's not like the issue hasn't crossed my mind. Then again, my wife is a strong woman and knows how to protect herself pretty well, and we're raising our daughters to also be strong. It's better than staying inside frightened of the world. And no, I am not minimizing the impact of rape on a woman's life, but this thread wasn't about that until it took this turn.

Like I said to the OP previously, learn to be aware, not frightened of the world, and I frankly agree with DavPul on this. Raise your daughters to be strong.

When I came into the thread, people were saying **** like rape doesn't happen that much and women cry rape when he didn't call the next day.

I can't not say something... And it sucks to be confronted with comments like yours because I won't remain silent when people say things like that

There were one or two posters who stated that they have the opinion that rape statistics are inflated. To be honest, I think it would be an interesting discussion on statistics if it wasn't so emotionally charged. The problem is that this entire thread has gone off the rails because of the emotional charged word "rape" starting getting thrown around a bit too casually, and I honestly think that is what DavPul was responding to. I do not pretend to speak for him, however, as he's more than capable of speaking for himself.

I can tell you that as a man, the rape conversation as it's gone in this thread disturbs me. There is quite a distance between the man that would actually rape and the man that has no compunction about walking up to a woman and complementing her. And I'm sorry, but for every woman who deals with cat calls there's another overreacting about a guy saying anything at all to her. Then again, there's another college girl jumping into cars with guys she doesn't know because she's on Spring Break and feeling "frisky." I've seen it all. So yes, there's two sides to every story.

But back to the point of this thread. It was about a woman who was afraid to jog because someone might or would say something to her. No one here knows much more than that, but EVERYONE of us dropped out own world views into our reactions to her. And for that we ARE ALL guilty.

The end of your post totally made me wanna cue up Fugazi's suggestion. Ends the same way

Mlkmaid

They're called HEADPHONES. LOL.

Sarauk2sf

this thread has taken a serious turn for the worse. for goodness sake even the OP wasn't concerned about being physically assaulted. by her own words she was made to feel uncomfortable by comments that passerby would make as she was running. I'm firmly in the "suck it up, buttercup" camp, but i can understand how people feel differently.

so someone PUHLEEEZE tell me how a thread that was basically "sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me" has turned into fear mongering rape thread? yes, rape is a serious and pervasive threat, but this wasn't a rape thread. "nice *kitten*!" yelled from a car window is neither rape nor a sign of impending assault.

But here's the thing: the woman you are yelling "nice *kitten*!" at does not KNOW you. She doesn't KNOW your intention. She doesn't KNOW your history. The assault statistics reported above are not inflated. They are real. Most women (most people, actually, if they bothered to ask) know several other women who have been raped or assaulted or at least had an attempt made, so we have to be on our guard.

Whether or not your intention is just to make a catcall or to escalate that into something more, the person you are directing this at has no way of knowing. On a more basic level, it all still stems from the same cultural attitude where men feel they have a RIGHT to sexualize a complete stranger. Would you say "nice *kitten*!" to your college professor, or to your child's teacher, or to your doctor? No. Because it's disrespectful. I'm out here running because I'm running. Not because I have any interest in being your eye candy. If you want to be complimentary and supportive, and you feel you need to inflict yourself on to a complete stranger, support their EFFORT ("keep it up!" "you're doing great!") instead of diminishing everything about that person to their sexual attractiveness.

you're right. all women should assume all men are going to rape them all the time. and every conversation about anything should turn to a conversation about rape, because rape is all that happens in the world, ever. it's not a question of have you been raped, it's have you been raped YET. so yes, you're jogging down a public street in broad daylight and there are dozens of witnesses, but you damn well be protecting yourself because if someone yells "Nice rack!" they are probably going to rape you right there in the middle of Main Street at 4pm.

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Wow - over-react much? I have no idea how you possibly got *that* from the post.

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