pregnant smokers
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Actions have consequences. The pregnant woman's actions can lead to social scorn from others and potential harm to her baby. However, one of the consequences is not official censure from the government. What she is doing is legal.
Confronting the woman is another action that has consequences. Approaching can lead to an argument, an obscene gesture, bad vibes in the workplace, and potentially getting labeled a nosy busy-body around the office. Depending on the manner in which it is conducted, it could be considered harassment and may rise to the level of an illegal activity. In any event, it's not likely to change the other woman's choices.
Both people are free to choose to act or not act and thus choose the consequences that go with the choice. However, the person doing the confronting is the only one that risks legal jeopardy. Thus, I'd advise against it especially since the likelihood of affecting the outcome is very small.0 -
Yes, and I addressed the point I wanted to. Until governments opt to make tobacco use illegal, there is nothing anyone can do about a pregnant woman smoking. She knows it isn't healthy. A stranger approaching her to tell her that isn't going to change her mind.
which goes full circle as to what is wrong with this society. No one wants to address the problems, out of fear. Whatever that may be.0 -
Maybe the advocates for the smoking preggo chick can drum up some literature to support her reasoning for smoking while pregnant. The only one I have seen (albeit nothing scientific, only logic) is stressing the fetus with withdrawals.
Leave her be....why? Because someone says so? I don't understand. This society is so politically correct and so scared of each other that it is almost embarrassing. No one wants the government intervening with their lives (ie when or when not to smoke), but leave a person to govern themselves, and things go to hell in a hand basket.
Ok, so there may be a time or two where smoking doesn't affect the kid, but why even take the chance? Because you can? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
There is a reason there are scientific studies out there, there are reasons why there are rules whether they be legal, ethical, or moral.
I don't see any advocates here saying WAHOO SMOKING CHICS RULE. I see people who are strictly stating the law and keeping emotions out of it. That it is not illegal to smoke while pregnant whether we agree or not. I am about the least politically correct person I know however I would never approach someone that was smoking that I thought was pregnant. I don't know her circumstances. Maybe she's not pregnant at all, maybe the "protruding belly" is actually a big tumor (has been known to happen), Maybe she just found out her baby has no heartbeat and she will have to give birth to a dead baby and she needed a cigarette to process the info, maybe she's decided to have a late term abortion because she can't afford the child or doesn't want it or whatever, I am not going to sit in a parking lot lecturing someone that didn't ask my opinion, no more so than I lecture someone who is yelling at their screaming kid in a store, because I don't know the circumstance, maybe instead of assuming the mother is a terrible mother for yelling at her kid, maybe I should have a little compassion and tell that mother that bad days happen, or maybe it would be better to go over and say to the woman smoking that there is no smoking on the premises is there something you can do to help her ? just because someone is doing something we perceive to be harmful, doesn't mean we know the circumstances leading up to that choice.0 -
Do you think the chances of people saying something to a pregnant woman drinking rather then smoking is greater? Im actually really curious about it.
I had someone ask me in a liquor store "Should you be drinking?" I was very pregnant and picking up beer for my husband :huh:0 -
It shouldn't stress YOU out that bad, but the stress of withdrawal is even worse on the fetusEdit: Withdrawal from smoking is never so bad that it should stress you out to a point of a miscarriage. If it's truly that bad, how bout' not having kids?0 -
every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.0 -
It's because too many people in this country get on their high-horse and try to dictate other people's behavior. You seem to be one of them. Since when is "live and let live" political correctness?every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.0 -
It's because too many people in this country get on their high-horse and try to dictate other people's behavior. You seem to be one of them. Since when is "live and let live" political correctness?every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.
I'll let you carry on with that since you don't know me, but think you do.
again, I feel that is what is wrong with society. Live and let live so much that no one takes responsibility.0 -
The other rights you speak of are completely subjective. Your ethics and morals are not the necessarily the ethics and morals of me or her or her or him.every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.0 -
Everyone takes responsibility for themselves. We also choose to collectively enact laws that reward or punish behavior. We, as a society, have chosen not to punish pregnant smokers. If you don't like it, you should lobby your congressman to pass a law or even create a citizen's initiative. Meanwhile, the mature among us will choose to mind our own business as we know that we all do things that others could scorn and life would be even more difficult if everyone was confronting everyone else about their pet peeves.
It's because too many people in this country get on their high-horse and try to dictate other people's behavior. You seem to be one of them. Since when is "live and let live" political correctness?every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.
I'll let you carry on with that since you don't know me, but think you do.
again, I feel that is what is wrong with society. Live and let live so much that no one takes responsibility.0 -
I had someone ask me in a liquor store "Should you be drinking?" I was very pregnant and picking up beer for my husband :huh:
"Of course! I'm drinking for two now." (pats belly)0 -
The other rights you speak of are completely subjective. Your ethics and morals are not the necessarily the ethics and morals of me or her or her or him.every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.
I concur, fully.0 -
"Man, my tolerance has gone way up since this little critter started taking his share."I had someone ask me in a liquor store "Should you be drinking?" I was very pregnant and picking up beer for my husband :huh:
"Of course! I'm drinking for two now." (pats belly)0 -
Meanwhile, the mature among us will choose to mind our own business as we know that we all do things that others could scorn and life would be even more difficult if everyone was confronting everyone else about their pet peeves.
It's because too many people in this country get on their high-horse and try to dictate other people's behavior. You seem to be one of them. Since when is "live and let live" political correctness?every is mentioning legal rights, but yet conveniently fail to mention human rights, ethical rights, moral rights, social rights. I feel they are equally important.
Why? Again, "not in my back yard" mentality.
I'll let you carry on with that since you don't know me, but think you do.
again, I feel that is what is wrong with society. Live and let live so much that no one takes responsibility.
There you go, that is the answer I was looking for.......
Now, if more people would just.........think.0 -
My mom smoked with all three pregnancies. no issues from it, though there were probably less chemicals in the things back then! lol0
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Unless her fat is shaped into beach ball roundness and only in her abdomen.....I'd say she's prego!Maybe she is just fat.
I don't care...unless I actually see a protruding baby part, I am *not* going to assume that she's pregnant....
...no way...
...not going to make that mistake...
...again.
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OH MY GOSH!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Nobody in this thread is in favour of pregnant women smoking.
Speak for yourself! I think it makes the fetus look totally cool and popular
True. Especially when it wears the in utero leather jacket. HOT!0 -
I really wish you had to get a license to have children, and that the stupid people wouldn't reproduce. My heart breaks for the children who have parents that don't give a crap.
This is perfect....
And if you fail to protect your child or abuse and neglect them, then you should not be allowed to have more children.0 -
And the inquisitors who get to decide these things are perfect and capable of casting the first stone...oh no...wait.I really wish you had to get a license to have children, and that the stupid people wouldn't reproduce. My heart breaks for the children who have parents that don't give a crap.
This is perfect....
And if you fail to protect your child or abuse and neglect them, then you should not be allowed to have more children.0 -
"Man, my tolerance has gone way up since this little critter started taking his share."I had someone ask me in a liquor store "Should you be drinking?" I was very pregnant and picking up beer for my husband :huh:
"Of course! I'm drinking for two now." (pats belly)
"And having a built in designated driver is so super convenient!" :laugh:0 -
Seriously, if you quit within the first 2 months, that's not going to happen.
It shouldn't stress YOU out that bad, but the stress of withdrawal is even worse on the fetusEdit: Withdrawal from smoking is never so bad that it should stress you out to a point of a miscarriage. If it's truly that bad, how bout' not having kids?0 -
It's not her business if the baby comes out with some deformity that our tax dollars have to pay for the rest of its life - just because the stupid, young, smoking mom has no self respect!0
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Effing gross. I can't STAND it when I see or hear of pregnant women smoking. WTF?:sick:
It is GROSS!0 -
People keep making comments on how there Mom smoked when pregnant, I don't think they new back then what they know now.0
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There are some doctors that recommend heavy smokers that are pregnant NOT quit, especially if it is a high-risk pregnancy. The effects of nicotine withdrawal could be too much for the fetus to handle and she could lose the baby.
Just something to think about.
Seriously? so you think after that poor baby is born its ok for it to go through nicotine withdrawal......this is terrible, poor mommy can't go through nicotine withdrawal but screw the baby!0 -
Mind your own business. It's hard not to say anything, but it wouldn't do any good. As an ex-smoker I know a person isn't going to quit until they make the decision to quit on their own.0
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It's not her business if the baby comes out with some deformity that our tax dollars have to pay for the rest of its life - just because the stupid, young, smoking mom has no self respect!
Deformities aren't usually caused by smoking. Low birth weight, heart defects, certain brain disorders and underdeveloped lungs are the primary risks.0 -
It's just not worth it. My mam gave up for all her three children, but took it back up between and after. She smokes a couple a day, which seems like a harder thing to give up than a 20 a day smoker. Oh well. She did the right thing for the pregnancies and that's what matters, you can do what you want to your own body, but shouldn't do so for a baby that can't look after itself.
Whether you can tell a stranger that is a dangerous kind of confrontation, I guess.0 -
One thing I will point out is that we don't know what else is going on in her life and what sort of stress she is under. Whilst as someone who gave up smoking a year ago following bronchial pneumonia , I would say she shouldn't be smoking and she should know better , there is some evidence that nicotine does lessen the effects of psychotic episodes and she may be struggling to hold things together generally and giving up smoking would be a step too far.
Maybe make friends with her , find out the situation and see if there is any way you can help if you're seriously concerned?0 -
I was almost born 3 months early and my mom had to be in the hospital on bed rest for 2 months (I was born at 8 months).
Not sure if it had anything to do with smoking - but she did smoke through the rest.
She had a miscarriage all her others, again no idea if it has anything to do with smoking.
I'm not sure I would say anything though.
It's her body and she knows she's harming her child - so how is some stranger telling her its unsafe for the baby to smoke going to change that?0
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