Can we start a mythbusting thread?

Myth: people that appear to eat a lot and remain lean have super charged metabolisms

Fact: they actually move more.

I believe we've finally found the truth.

Myth: this is a mythbusting thread
Fact: this is will turn into another thread where people argue about:

- eat more to weigh less vs eat less
- carbs, good or bad?
- weight lifting or cardio
- macros
- metabolism, ghrelin, insulin and cortisol
- 1200 calories, the saga

etc., etc., etc., etc.

and where you will see "lose" spelled as "loose" more than any other time in your life.

Your fact is a myth.

I have and so have others I know gained muscle and lost fat on a deficit.

So you have the weight and corresponding body fat numbers to back these claims



There are only a few conditions where a person can gain new lean body mass in a calorie deficit.

1. noob gains 1-2
2. Morbidly obese
3. Shown only in some elite athletes with a very small deficit and only in the legs.


If you do not fit any of those 3, then it's probably an assumption because you got stronger and your muscle is more visible.

I don't know enough to agree or disagree here, but I do always wonder about the "noob gains 1-2" assertion. How is that consistent? Once you give up your noob card, your muscles stop cooperating?

You still see strength gains, just not mass gains.

Why can't all that fat you're losing fuel your way to larger muscles?

Here is the analogy I use. Think of your body like a balloon with water in it. A calorie deficit is a little hole at the bottom. The larger the deficit the bigger the hole. When you start weight training, they hole tightens up a little (improved elasticity). Eat day you put a little bit of water (food in our bodies case) but never enough to replace the amount of water lost. Gaining new lean body mass, means new mass is created. So how could you expect your balloon to grow without putting more water than you are losing? So in order to make your balloon grow, you need to add more water than you are losing.

Your body is no different. A calorie deficit will cause your body to be in a catabolic state. If you want to gain muscle, you need to in an anabolic state. The reason obese people can do it is because they has so many fat stores, that their bodies can rely on it so their bodies have some ability to create new lean body mass. Noob gains will only occur in those who have never trained. Like if you were a video gamer, never played sports, never worked out and then had a mild deficit and started lifting. You might see 1-2 lbs of muscle.

I don't know enough to agree or disagree here, but I do always wonder about the "noob gains 1-2" assertion. How is that consistent? Once you give up your noob card, your muscles stop cooperating?

Noob gains in general are not new tissue, they are an increase in the energy supply to the muscle which manifests as larger muscles.

Stop strength training for a few weeks and you'll pee it away.

This is the solidifying mucles phenomenon. As muscles firm up they gain weight. However that firmness is not new tissue, it is mostly water. If you actually built new tissue an increased size would remain after the firmness dissipates.

You can fake or enhance this phenomenon by taking creatine (not saying creatine is a bunk suppliment, quite the opposite, there are real beenfits to having this increased energy supply, but you can fake the noob gains effect by taking creatine).

I don't think it is very realistic to suggest I run a 5K 3 times a week just to get some big numbers in my diary. Glad it works for you though.

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5K is a fairly easy distance. Running a moderate/easy pace 5K is to a runner what a half hour walk is to a non-exerciser. Running a 5K 3x a week is a low running volume (less than 10M a week is low volume).

I'm not a runner by any means, it is something I do on my off days from strength training, but to say it is unrealistic to run 5K 3x a week misses the mark bad. Get your cardio shape up and the 5K is nothing unless you are running it hard against the clock. Its only 30 minutes of exercise, that should not be a big deal for anybody but absolute beginners.

"If you run, you are a runner. It doesn't matter how fast or how far. It doesn't matter if today is your first day or if you've been running for twenty years. There is no test to pass, no license to earn, no membership card to get. You just run."
--John Bingham

5k is not nothing to an overweight person. It's often the first milestone that people aim for when they start running to run. 5K is usually the shortest organized running event that you will see so to say 5k is nothing is untrue. To someone that runs 10k, 13k, 26k, then yes 3 5k's in a week is no big deal. Most couch to 5k I've seen, are in the 6-12 weeks range. So to a person running for 20 years 3 months is nothing. For someone who has never run before training for 3 months is a pretty big deal.

A 30 minute time may be easy for people that have been running a while. To hit a 30 minute 5K I think is a pretty big accomplishment for someone overweight or out of shape. I doubt if I could have run that pace in high school when I was in the best shape I've ever been in and played football we never ran that far. Now I'm at 34 minutes and training to get down to 30. When I hit 30 it will be a big deal to me. By spring I want to run a 10K. When I started my weight loss nearly 3 months ago I couldn't "run" .25 miles and ascending a single flight of stairs while talking without it being noticeable that I was winded.

How about a mythbusters episode on once you go black you never go back

jealous???

Myth: Muscle weights more than fat, so when you start working out (lifting or cardio) you might gain muscle weight...
Fact: 1 day of "working out" will NOT put on 2-3lbs of muscle. In anyone...period.

It's water weight, muscle are used to being a couch potato and they are retaining water. Unless you went over your calories by 7000 in one day. In which, BRAVO! :noway:

OMG! Thank you for posting that! I hate when people say they cheated on their diet one day and then gained 5 lbs! They obviously cant do simple math...they'd have to consume 17,500 calories in one day to gain that much the next!

I don't think it is very realistic to suggest I run a 5K 3 times a week just to get some big numbers in my diary. Glad it works for you though.

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5K is a fairly easy distance. Running a moderate/easy pace 5K is to a runner what a half hour walk is to a non-exerciser. Running a 5K 3x a week is a low running volume (less than 10M a week is low volume).

I'm not a runner by any means, it is something I do on my off days from strength training, but to say it is unrealistic to run 5K 3x a week misses the mark bad. Get your cardio shape up and the 5K is nothing unless you are running it hard against the clock. Its only 30 minutes of exercise, that should not be a big deal for anybody but absolute beginners.

"If you run, you are a runner. It doesn't matter how fast or how far. It doesn't matter if today is your first day or if you've been running for twenty years. There is no test to pass, no license to earn, no membership card to get. You just run."
--John Bingham

5k is not nothing to an overweight person. It's often the first milestone that people aim for when they start running to run. 5K is usually the shortest organized running event that you will see so to say 5k is nothing is untrue. To someone that runs 10k, 13k, 26k, then yes 3 5k's in a week is no big deal. Most couch to 5k I've seen, are in the 6-12 weeks range. So to a person running for 20 years 3 months is nothing. For someone who has never run before training for 3 months is a pretty big deal.

A 30 minute time may be easy for people that have been running a while. To hit a 30 minute 5K I think is a pretty big accomplishment for someone overweight or out of shape. I doubt if I could have run that pace in high school when I was in the best shape I've ever been in and played football we never ran that far. Now I'm at 34 minutes and training to get down to 30. When I hit 30 it will be a big deal to me. By spring I want to run a 10K. When I started my weight loss nearly 3 months ago I couldn't "run" .25 miles and ascending a single flight of stairs while talking without it being noticeable that I was winded.

I did the C25k based on times rather than distance. I got to where I could jog for 30 minutes straight, so I decided to try to run outside. Fifteen minutes in, I had gone about three quarters of a mile, so I turned around and went back home, making it a 1.5 mi. run in 30 minutes. I am supposing that 5k would take me close to an hour, and I don't have the stamina for that.

Myth- one won't hurt

One only hurts when one is too many and two isn't nearly enough.

Because I know the consequences of one I plan my day accordingly and I can have only one (of whatever). Except for Salted Caramel anything, I need to make sure there is only one because it's my weakness. Salted caramel is the devil's food, or Angel's food depending on how you look at it.

Myth: muscle and fat weigh the same

Fact: since muscle is denser than fat it weights more so the saying
Muscle weighs more than fat is correct.

Myth : health at every size

truth : just because an obese woman can do yoga does not change the fact they are harming their bodies.

Which weighs more...3 lbs of muscle or 3 lbs of fat....they both weigh three pounds but fat will take up a larger "home" in your body than muscle...I know I know, splitting hairs.