How many times have you seen this? Some people don't get it!

Any ideas on what to eat after a workout so I don't turn in to an arrogant douche?

Anyone?

Everything in moderation...even the *bad* stuff.

If you're an ultra-athlete I can see the danger of incorporating fast foods (or comfort food of some type) into your diet

Michael Phelps: Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes. Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories. Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

So, nah, even ultra-athletes just make sure it fits their macros :-D

Or look at what some of the ultramarathon runners are eating in the middle of 100 mile races. Pizzas, tacos, Mountain Dew, hamburgers, etc. But they aren't fit or anything.

Yah, refined, enriched carbs sure because they digest faster than whole grains.

WTF does that have to do with your "if you eat fast food you're fat and unhealthy" argument?

because you guys are saying. oh look at michael phelps he eats pizza and he has results bla bla bla

That was me. Since when are burgers refined carbs?
Or are you selectively cherry picking.

And on a serious note, and for the fun of your answer.... You do know that fat is an essential nutrient? Are you getting enough?

I hope so otherwise he will not be getting enough...you know what too low fat intake does to T-levels!

"science is your friend" coming from the person who just said "mmm McRib"????!??! no. sorry. it absolutely does not work that way. Science IS our friend. and 70+ ingredients, plus the stuff they use to make the foamy part of yoga mats, are included in the McRib. and that's okay to put in your body?! please! it's not JUST about calories and fat grams and protein! the ACTUAL food you put in your body absolutely DOES matter. you may be able to get the "same" results in terms of weight loss by merely sticking to a certain amount of calories/fat but that in NO way means that a 700 calorie McDonald's meal is equal to a meal of fresh steamed vegetables, a lean protein such as chicken or fish, and a handful of almonds!

I honestly never knew how ignorant some people were when it came to nutrition until I came to this site. I am constantly blown away.

Lean beef has some of the same ingredients as an engine block.

so does that mean you feed, raise, butcher, and process your own beef? that is the only way you could really know for sure right?

Ultimately, the same stuff that's in an engine block is in an apple too...things called electrons, protons and neutrons if you really want to start getting picky.

OMG! EEEK! Chemicals!!!

The same stuff that you can use to etch circuit boards is in your stomach...you know HCl? Yes, there is magnesium in both my engine block and my beef...guess what, its in your body too and you'd have one hell of a time functioning without it. Everything in this world is composed of 'chemicals' - get over it. Belladonna is natural and organic, but I wouldn't want it on my dinner plate.

Please, just stop already - I think my brain is about to explode from the stupid...

I don't think it's my business what other people eat. I have a hard enough time keeping up with what I'm eating!

Brilliant!

This is why its bad.

How many ingredients are there?
At face value, the sandwich contains just pork, onions, and pickle slices slathered in barbecue sauce and laid out on a bun. But the truth is, there are roughly 70 ingredients. The bun alone contains 34, says TIME's Melnick. In addition to chemicals like ammonium sulfate and polysorbate 80, the most egregious may be azodicarbonamide - "a flour-bleaching agent most commonly used in the manufactur[ing] of foamed plastics like gym mats the and soles of shoes." According to McDonald's own ingredient list, the bun also includes calcium sulfate and ethoxylated mono- and diglycerides, among other chemicals.


Ooof. What's the meat made of?
Pig innards and plenty of salt. Typically, "restructured meat product" includes pig bits like tripe, heart, and scalded stomach, says Whet Moser at Chicago Magazine, citing a 1995 article by Robert Mandigo, a professor at the University of Nebraska. These parts are cooked and blended with salt and water to extract salt-soluble proteins, which act as a "glue" that helps bind the reshaped meat together. 500 calories and 26 grams of fat

Why do clean-eaters always come here and cite crap articles? Were you present when the meat was prepared or the bread was baked? Was the author of that article? How the hell do you know his sources are correct?

Scare-mongering... more and more scare-mongering!

Ugh!

Take a shower and then take a dump!

Take a shower and then take a dump!

Winner!

How many times have you seen people go to the gym and work their *kitten* off... only to stop at Wendy's or Mcdonald's after their workouts. Come on people, your body wants clean food! Or how many times have you heard "I'm not seeing any results" I ask what they had to eat for lunch and they say "I had to run to Arbys because I didn't bring my lunch."

You are what you eat! Sorry just venting a little lol.

Here's my reply, but I'll be the first to admit that I haven't read all 18 pages so perhaps some of this bears repeating.

Before I get into this, this is nothing personal towards the OP and I'm going on a tangent here:

If you're saying that people who casually exercise and use that as an excuse to go overeat a bunch of nutrient sparse foods thinking that their sub-par exercise justifies having a sub-par diet, then I would absolutely agree with your premise.

If you're saying that the individual food sources that you choose significantly matter towards your physique once macronutrient and micronutrient sufficiency are met (<-- key statement), then I would absolutely disagree with you and suggest that your results weren't due to the supposed cleanliness of your food, they were due to your training and your total nutrient intake.

Total nutrient intake is obviously composed of your individual food choices but as long as you are able to sufficiently nourish yourself, and as long as you're able to meet macronutrient demands for your body composition/training goals, then you've got an awful lot of leeway in selecting food items and "cleanliness" is certainly not a factor in the least.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/hormonal-responses-to-a-fast-food-meal-compared-with-nutritionally-comparable-meals-of-different-composition-research-review.html

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/



As an aside: Regarding the whole physique=knowledge thing, and we see it especially in juiced individuals (not saying this about the OP specifically). You get someone who is obviously jacked and lean, and they think they know what they're talking because:

I'm big and lean ---> I eat these foods ----> Therefore my results are due to these foods. (And you can replace food with just about anything else that gets discussed).

This is just crap logic.

I'm going to make a bold statement. You know who knows more than anyone on this site?
This guy:


Guess what? I'm going to wager that I'm more muscular and leaner than he is. I am going to wager that he knows WAAAAAAAAAAAY more than I do about fitness/nutrition. He's one of the best in the field.

So you can't necessarily equate physique to knowledge. That's a mistake and it's certainly not a justification for what sometimes can be crappy broscience.