Is bread generally fattening?

You really can't get fat eating veggies (raw that is).

but I would get fat if they are cooked?

Eating bread within your calorie and macro goals - no. Eating bread at a caloric surplus - absolutely yes, it is "fattening". Same goes with any other food you consume.

^^^ This, bread is not more fattening that fat, that's total BS.

If it fits in your calorie goal it will be fine - it doesn't magically turn into fat or suddenly gain more calories.

Seconded.

Also, 4 biscuits isn't a binge. It might be a little more than you planned, but it's not that bad.

^^^^ Agreed!

Four biscuits covered in sausage gravy is a nice, filling breakfast. Just eat a lighter, high protein lunch/supper and you should be able to fit it in.

Bread can easily fit into a healthy diet. The most wholesome breads are made from "100% whole grain wheat" and don't contain sugar or high fructose corn syrup. Highly refined and enriched flours should be avoided as much as possible if you're trying to lose weight. Don't know if you mean American biscuits or English biscuits, since they're different foods, but both of those are probably made from refined flours. If you stay under your calories for the day, no neither is fattening. But for best health, stick with bread products that list "100% whole grain x" as the first ingredient and doesn't list added sweeteners.

There is no need to avoid them if they fit into your calories/macros for the day. They may not be the "healthiest" choice but if you like them and they fit them eat them.

^Agreed

A. Bread and biscuits are not the same thing

In America, biscuits are a type of bread. They are a "quick" bread rather than a yeast bread because baking powder is used for the leavening. It's a small, round bread with shortening or lard cut into the flour to make them rich, as well as light and fluffy.

CARBS!!!! (runs in circle screaming)

BRO. Weight gain depends on insulin resistance. Someone saying "I always eat bread and never been overweight" means absolutely zero. It depends on your reaction to the sugars most of all, calories only somewhat. Bro Science will lead you down the wrong path.

Ironic post is ironic

BRO. Weight gain depends on insulin resistance. Someone saying "I always eat bread and never been overweight" means absolutely zero. It depends on your reaction to the sugars most of all, calories only somewhat. Bro Science will lead you down the wrong path.

So, if I still eat bread and I used to be obese do I win? Or has my 'insulin resistance' magically changed?

BRO. Weight gain depends on insulin resistance. Someone saying "I always eat bread and never been overweight" means absolutely zero. It depends on your reaction to the sugars most of all, calories only somewhat. Bro Science will lead you down the wrong path.

So, if I still eat bread and I used to be obese do I win? Or has my 'insulin resistance' magically changed?

Hell no, you have to consume twinkies to increase your insulin sensitivity, bread on gets you part way there.

BRO. Weight gain depends on insulin resistance. Someone saying "I always eat bread and never been overweight" means absolutely zero. It depends on your reaction to the sugars most of all, calories only somewhat. Bro Science will lead you down the wrong path.

Eating bread within your calorie and macro goals - no. Eating bread at a caloric surplus - absolutely yes, it is "fattening". Same goes with any other food you consume.

^^^ This, bread is not more fattening that fat, that's total BS.

If it fits in your calorie goal it will be fine - it doesn't magically turn into fat or suddenly gain more calories.

Seconded.

Also, 4 biscuits isn't a binge. It might be a little more than you planned, but it's not that bad.

^^^^ Agreed!

Four biscuits covered in sausage gravy is a nice, filling breakfast. Just eat a lighter, high protein lunch/supper and you should be able to fit it in.

and nutritionally deficient...

On the one hand a calorie is a calorie, no matter what you eat. So if you want to eat your calories by having bread or meat or toffees, it doesn't really matter.

On the other hand, we are not all made equal. Some of us are more sensitive to blood-sugar spikes - highs and lows. When we eat white bread, white rice, pasta, potatoes and sugar - including fruit juices - we get very high blood sugar. The body reacts to this by producing insulin, which lowers the blood-sugar and helps store sugar as fat. Then the blood-sugar drops dramatically, and we get headaches, feel dizzy and tired and extremely hungry, a very short time after eating. If we mix the carbs with fiber (whole grain, brown rice, etc.), they are released slower into the blood, we don't get those spikes, and so also avoid the bursts of insulin and the sudden drops in blood-sugar. This is what makes carbs "slow" - they aren't any slower, they are just broken down slower in the stomach, and so released over a longer time.

This is why bread, particularly white bread low on fiber, can be "fattening." Not because the calories in it are more evil than other calories, but because it makes it a lot harder to maintain a healthy, balanced diet if you feel hungry, dizzy and uncomfortable shortly after a meal.

This is also why it's a good idea to log the quality of everything you eat, and not just quick added calories, for instance. By doing that you can have a look at what you ate on those really bad days, when you couldn't stick to your goals, and what you ate on the good days, then figure out what works for you.

Good luck!

I'll argue the calorie is a calorie thing, but otherwise you're right. However it's physically imposdible to eat 4000 veggie cals because of the size of our stomachs. You really can't get fat eating veggies (raw that is). You'll get full long before that.

So this is theoretical then? Because we've gone from calories to volume and I thought this was a calorie conversation

you don't find the two to be connected huh?

if one food fills you up and is lower calorie, and one food is high-calorie and doesn't fill you up, which is more likely to lead to you going over your TDEE for the day?

dude, you and I have awesome control over our diets, willpower, blah blah blah. But for people just getting into this, refined carbs/bread/etc can have a gateway effect and lead people to eat more than they should.

I still think the OP was talking about what we Americans would call "cookies."

1. four biscuits is not a binge. I doubt it even qualifies as overeating.

Yes, four biscuits in one sitting is a ridiculous - it's four servings in one sitting! Therefore, it is considered over eating.

Ummm - it really depends on the biscuits. I have a stash of bisquits at 60 calories each, and four of those are easy to fit into my daily goals.

But I guess, if I stand up between each bisquit, that makes four sittings! Then I don't overeat, do I?

the vast majority of biscuits aren't 60 calories. but you're right - it does depend on the brand and/or where they came from.