Is bread generally fattening?
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Thanks for your input. I am here to learn. I don't know a lot about a lot YET.
I put micronutrients first. Macros are second.
I didn't say that, you did. I am actually a really sweet person. I want to see your diary to see all of the "high GI foods" you just claimed you eat PLENTY of. You have a 6 pack I see that. I always heard abs were made in the kitchen. I am going to eat more high GI foods if this is your diet as you claim.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.
The individual food sources are not relevant.
In order of importance:
Calories
Macronutrients (sufficient protein and dietary fat, enough carbs to meet preferential and performance needs)
Micronutrients (Eating crap all day may lead you to nutrient deficiencies)
How you compose your diet as far as individual food items leaves you with a whole lot of personal preference.
Please (seriously) read the linked thread that I attached on glycemic index. It's a great write up and it contains the necessary research to point out the flaws in the GI index.
They are both important, I was strictly speaking about fat loss/getting a 6 pack.
Generally speaking (this is very vague)
Calories ---> Change in weight.
Macronutrients ---> Change in body composition
Micronutrients ---> Health
And there is some minor overlap but that's a broad categorization as a general tool for people.
Food selection can vary quite heavily and still produce excellent results.
I absolutely cannot read a MFP thread. I don't trust any of these people. If a doctor didn't say it, I am more apt to believe it. Even they disagree, but it is at the least more reliable. I also believe SOME nutritionists. I believe what that guy said whose quotes I was trying to decipher, bc it was the same thing I heard Dr Furhman say a few nights ago. I was only trying to decipher his quote, bc I am still learning. I am far from an expert. I am here to read and then to research based on what ppl say here, but I don't take their word for it, it just forces me to research.0 -
The reason I wanted to see your diary is bc you said you eat a lot of GI foods. I don't understand how you can have the body you do and eat a lot of GI foods. I didn't believe you, but maybe you do.0
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I absolutely cannot read a MFP thread. I don't trust any of these people. If a doctor didn't say it, I am more apt to believe it. Even they disagree, but it is at the least more reliable. I also believe SOME nutritionists. I believe what that guy said whose quotes I was trying to decipher, bc it was the same thing I heard Dr Furhman say a few nights ago. I was only trying to decipher his quote, bc I am still learning. I am far from an expert. I am here to read and then to research based on what ppl say here, but I don't take their word for it, it just forces me to research.
The thread he linked has links to peer reviewed research. Do you trust PubMed?
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http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/02/health/la-he-five-questions-davis-20130202
This article is about William Davis, M.D.:
The cardiologist believes wheat is the single biggest contributor to the country's obesity epidemic, in part because aggressive breeding methods and genetic manipulation have turned it into what Davis derides as a "Frankenwheat." One of its most troubling side effects? Triggering uncontrollable carb cravings, the doctor said.
The advice to cut your fat and eat whole grains is the worst advice you can possibly pass on to people. I say, "Eat more fat. Eat as little grains as possible." Grains really don't belong in the human experience.
I didn't go looking to demonize wheat. I told my patients to stop eating [wheat products] as part of treatment because many were suffering from diabetes or were prediabetic. But they'd come back in three to six months, and they were 25 to 40 pounds lighter. And they'd say, "The pain in my wrist and shoulder is gone." "My [irritable bowel syndrome symptoms] are gone." I only did it for blood sugar. But I thought, "What in the world is in wheat besides its potential to raise blood sugar? Why would their asthma go away? Why would someone's food obsession disappear?" So many things happened. In the beginning I had no idea why. I had to see it thousands of time before it got drilled into my head. We are treating the consumption of modern wheat. Only we call it hypertension. Obesity. Arthritis. Acid reflux. … You take out the wheat, all that goes away. You could argue that wheat is perfectly crafted to exert maximum damage to multiple organs.
I gave up wheat. I don't touch the stuff. I have lost weight, gained better skin, lost all allergy symptoms, blood pressure normal, tryglycerides, normal. Cholesterol Normal. The afternoon fogginess and the 3 PM....reach for a snack....not necessary.
You have to read Wheat Belly. You will be amazed about how awful modern wheat is for your body.
Check out the Wheat Belly facebook page also. 44,000 fans.
Lisa0 -
Thanks for your input. I am here to learn. I don't know a lot about a lot YET.
I put micronutrients first. Macros are second.
I didn't say that, you did. I am actually a really sweet person. I want to see your diary to see all of the "high GI foods" you just claimed you eat PLENTY of. You have a 6 pack I see that. I always heard abs were made in the kitchen. I am going to eat more high GI foods if this is your diet as you claim.
Mean!There you have it folks. Listen to the member above and. Eat white bread, eat white rice, eat white potatoes and be healthy, lean and sexy. Thanks for sharing. The world will be a much better place now that members are armed with your info.
You're welcome.
Saying "You're welcome" is mean?
Oh, I GET IT!
We must be in backwards land, because you think white foods are fattening and you also think "You're welcome" is mean.
I'm sorry, I'll play along next time.
The individual food sources are not relevant.
In order of importance:
Calories
Macronutrients (sufficient protein and dietary fat, enough carbs to meet preferential and performance needs)
Micronutrients (Eating crap all day may lead you to nutrient deficiencies)
How you compose your diet as far as individual food items leaves you with a whole lot of personal preference.
Please (seriously) read the linked thread that I attached on glycemic index. It's a great write up and it contains the necessary research to point out the flaws in the GI index.
They are both important, I was strictly speaking about fat loss/getting a 6 pack.
Generally speaking (this is very vague)
Calories ---> Change in weight.
Macronutrients ---> Change in body composition
Micronutrients ---> Health
And there is some minor overlap but that's a broad categorization as a general tool for people.
Food selection can vary quite heavily and still produce excellent results.
I absolutely cannot read a MFP thread. I don't trust any of these people. If a doctor didn't say it, I am more apt to believe it. Even they disagree, but it is at the least more reliable. I also believe SOME nutritionists. I believe what that guy said whose quotes I was trying to decipher, bc it was the same thing I heard Dr Furhman say a few nights ago. I was only trying to decipher his quote, bc I am still learning. I am far from an expert. I am here to read and then to research based on what ppl say here, but I don't take their word for it, it just forces me to research.
First and foremost do you understand that the link I provided you contains peer reviewed research to support the information in it?
You should read this:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/532251-let-s-talk-about-the-gi-index0 -
everything is fattening if you eat too much of it, and dont keep moving.. I generally eat dense wholemeal/grain bread, specifically cos I am hypoglycaemic and need to keep sugars regular and not spiking otherwise I crash.. if I eat white bread or too many starches I might as well give up on my day and go to bed..
also depends what you have on your bread, and also how much you eat per day.. general rule of thumb for carbs is < 60g per meal and < 200g per day..0 -
I'm under 10% BF, workout less than 2 hours a week, and drink a soda/energy drink daily.
BUT, I also workout smart, and eat 'fairly' clean throughout the day.
Personal experience mean nothing. Look at a personal that eats mainly processed foods like white bread, and then look at someone that eats mainly whole foods. Which one has a lower bodyfat %?
It's so simple, yet I still constantly hear people saying "calories in, calories out."
You wonder why over half of America is obese?0 -
The reason I wanted to see your diary is bc you said you eat a lot of GI foods. I don't understand how you can have the body you do and eat a lot of GI foods. I didn't believe you, but maybe you do.
In the past 8 days, (end of my last bulk, start of my cut) I have eaten ice cream 3-4 nights (4 to 5 servings per bowl). I eat white potatoes every few days. I eat jasmine (white) rice pretty regularly.
I make absolutely no consideration over glycemic index in my food selection because it makes no appreciable difference to my progress. I am eating in a caloric deficit over time and I'm oxidizing more fat than I'm storing.
I really think the thread I linked will help you if you would go read it.0 -
I like this. I like your name (Sunny) too. See mine? LOL. I heard that you can't even get TRUE wheat anymore (at least not in America) because it has been messed with and changed so much. I switched from white flour to wheat and found huge bloating in my stomach and nausea. I have had to call in sick to work after a lunch break from eating wheat. I went back to white bread for this reason. I know that white bread is said to be worse than wheat, but for me it is definitely better. I do fine with a piece of white bread. I won't touch wheat. Even the gluten free product make me bloat though. Not sure what that is about yet. I rarely ever eat any bread at all though. I have found substitutes like brown rice and lettuce leaves both replace bread for me.http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/02/health/la-he-five-questions-davis-20130202
This article is about William Davis, M.D.:
The cardiologist believes wheat is the single biggest contributor to the country's obesity epidemic, in part because aggressive breeding methods and genetic manipulation have turned it into what Davis derides as a "Frankenwheat." One of its most troubling side effects? Triggering uncontrollable carb cravings, the doctor said.
The advice to cut your fat and eat whole grains is the worst advice you can possibly pass on to people. I say, "Eat more fat. Eat as little grains as possible." Grains really don't belong in the human experience.
I didn't go looking to demonize wheat. I told my patients to stop eating [wheat products] as part of treatment because many were suffering from diabetes or were prediabetic. But they'd come back in three to six months, and they were 25 to 40 pounds lighter. And they'd say, "The pain in my wrist and shoulder is gone." "My [irritable bowel syndrome symptoms] are gone." I only did it for blood sugar. But I thought, "What in the world is in wheat besides its potential to raise blood sugar? Why would their asthma go away? Why would someone's food obsession disappear?" So many things happened. In the beginning I had no idea why. I had to see it thousands of time before it got drilled into my head. We are treating the consumption of modern wheat. Only we call it hypertension. Obesity. Arthritis. Acid reflux. … You take out the wheat, all that goes away. You could argue that wheat is perfectly crafted to exert maximum damage to multiple organs.
I gave up wheat. I don't touch the stuff. I have lost weight, gained better skin, lost all allergy symptoms, blood pressure normal, tryglycerides, normal. Cholesterol Normal. The afternoon fogginess and the 3 PM....reach for a snack....not necessary.
You have to read Wheat Belly. You will be amazed about how awful modern wheat is for your body.
Check out the Wheat Belly facebook page also. 44,000 fans.
Lisa0 -
You wonder why over half of America is obese?
They are obese because they eat too many calories over time.0 -
Logic^^
You wonder why over half of America is obese?
They are obese because they eat too many calories over time.0 -
Bulking and eating hi GI foods/ high energy foods makes sense (I think). I think that means when you want to bulk (build muscle) you need foods which are sugary for the energy for the workouts and for immediately after you lift. Right? So you are eating this post workout? That is something different. I mean I know muscle burns fat. But most ppl here are just overweight and don't bulk and lift and cut like you do. They shouldn't be eating bread unless they are just finishing lifting.The reason I wanted to see your diary is bc you said you eat a lot of GI foods. I don't understand how you can have the body you do and eat a lot of GI foods. I didn't believe you, but maybe you do.
In the past 8 days, (end of my last bulk, start of my cut) I have eaten ice cream 3-4 nights (4 to 5 servings per bowl). I eat white potatoes every few days. I eat jasmine (white) rice pretty regularly.
I make absolutely no consideration over glycemic index in my food selection because it makes no appreciable difference to my progress. I am eating in a caloric deficit over time and I'm oxidizing more fat than I'm storing.
I really think the thread I linked will help you if you would go read it.0 -
Food selection can vary quite heavily and still produce excellent results.
[/quote]Thanks for your input. I am here to learn. I don't know a lot about a lot YET.
I absolutely cannot read a MFP thread. I don't trust any of these people. If a doctor didn't say it, I am more apt to believe it. Even they disagree, but it is at the least more reliable. I also believe SOME nutritionists. I believe what that guy said whose quotes I was trying to decipher, bc it was the same thing I heard Dr Furhman say a few nights ago. I was only trying to decipher his quote, bc I am still learning. I am far from an expert. I am here to read and then to research based on what ppl say here, but I don't take their word for it, it just forces me to research.
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Good, but be careful where you seek the answers. Most sources are just trying to sell something. there are some good links posted.0 -
Bulking and eating bad foods or high calorie, high energy foods makes sense (I think). I think that means when you want to bulk (build muscle) you need foods which are sugary for the energy for the workouts and for immediately after you lift. Right? So you are eating this post workout? That is something different. I mean I know muscle burns fat. But most ppl here are just overweight and don't bulk and lift and cut like you do. They shouldn't be eating bread unless they are just finishing lifting.The reason I wanted to see your diary is bc you said you eat a lot of GI foods. I don't understand how you can have the body you do and eat a lot of GI foods. I didn't believe you, but maybe you do.
In the past 8 days, (end of my last bulk, start of my cut) I have eaten ice cream 3-4 nights (4 to 5 servings per bowl). I eat white potatoes every few days. I eat jasmine (white) rice pretty regularly.
I make absolutely no consideration over glycemic index in my food selection because it makes no appreciable difference to my progress. I am eating in a caloric deficit over time and I'm oxidizing more fat than I'm storing.
I really think the thread I linked will help you if you would go read it.
I'm saying I ate those foods while cutting. I've also dropped from 195.6 to 188.9 in 8 days at that intake.
I am not eating that stuff post workout, I eat it right before bed in most circumstances.0 -
Is bulking where you eat a lot and build muscle. Cutting is leaning out, trimming fat and depleting water for shows, etc?
I don't understand that. I know almost for a fact (or I read) that the hi GI foods are okay during bulking. And the only time it is okay to eat something like that is immediately after lifting.
So you are telling me you eat high GI foods during cutting?0 -
Everyone should watch the documentary "Hungry for Change."
It does a great job of explaining what processed foods and artificial sweeteners do to the body.
It also explains how people's 'hunger pains' are from a of lack of micros, and not macros.0 -
For anyone else that happens to be reading my comments and excluding the middle (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excluding-the-middle.html)
--I am not suggesting that people ignore food selection and I'm not suggesting that you should eat junk food all day. I'm also not advocating a diet composed entirely of ice cream and white bread because you'd not hit your nutrient needs by doing that.
What I AM suggesting is that the glycemic index is heavily flawed for a variety of reasons and as such it's not a good tool to use for weight loss.
You can create an energy deficit using a diet that is mostly nutrient dense whole-food sources. Do this, and the inclusion of some white bread or some ice cream in that hypocaloric and nutrient sufficient diet, will not make any significant harm to your progress.
You do not need to fear treats and they do not make you fat on their own.
Food is not bad.
Entire diets can be bad if you do it wrong.
I think I should stop posting now.0 -
Thanks for your input. I am here to learn. I don't know a lot about a lot YET.Food selection can vary quite heavily and still produce excellent results.
I absolutely cannot read a MFP thread. I don't trust any of these people. If a doctor didn't say it, I am more apt to believe it. Even they disagree, but it is at the least more reliable. I also believe SOME nutritionists. I believe what that guy said whose quotes I was trying to decipher, bc it was the same thing I heard Dr Furhman say a few nights ago. I was only trying to decipher his quote, bc I am still learning. I am far from an expert. I am here to read and then to research based on what ppl say here, but I don't take their word for it, it just forces me to research.
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I know it. I read everything from everyone reputable and then try to process it. And in many cases experiment and come up with my own conclusions. Like I said, anyone can write an article, so I make sure the article is recent and the author someone with credentials and who is reputable and educated.Good, but be careful where you seek the answers. Most sources are just trying to sell something. there are some good links posted.0 -
That is exactly what Dr Joel Fuhrman said. That is why I said micros are my main source.Everyone should watch the documentary "Hungry for Change."
It does a great job of explaining what processed foods and artificial sweeteners do to the body.
It also explains how people's 'hunger pains' are from a of lack of micros, and not macros.0 -
I just read that the only time it is really safe to eat a GI food like wheat bread is after a weight lifting session. One should have a "cheat meal" but not indulge daily on treats. Or at least i can't. I suppose everyone is different. I am not sure if you are lying to me to be funny or what is going on, but I am bailing from this conversation. I am not going to leave here a better person I have figured that one out by now.
Bulking and eating bad foods or high calorie, high energy foods makes sense (I think). I think that means when you want to bulk (build muscle) you need foods which are sugary for the energy for the workouts and for immediately after you lift. Right? So you are eating this post workout? That is something different. I mean I know muscle burns fat. But most ppl here are just overweight and don't bulk and lift and cut like you do. They shouldn't be eating bread unless they are just finishing lifting.The reason I wanted to see your diary is bc you said you eat a lot of GI foods. I don't understand how you can have the body you do and eat a lot of GI foods. I didn't believe you, but maybe you do.
In the past 8 days, (end of my last bulk, start of my cut) I have eaten ice cream 3-4 nights (4 to 5 servings per bowl). I eat white potatoes every few days. I eat jasmine (white) rice pretty regularly.
I make absolutely no consideration over glycemic index in my food selection because it makes no appreciable difference to my progress. I am eating in a caloric deficit over time and I'm oxidizing more fat than I'm storing.
I really think the thread I linked will help you if you would go read it.
I'm saying I ate those foods while cutting. I've also dropped from 195.6 to 188.9 in 8 days at that intake.
I am not eating that stuff post workout, I eat it right before bed in most circumstances.0 -
This is very similar to the Dr. Joel Fuhrman program I keep talking about and it makes sense. I am trying to adopt it. I believe in it and have had good results with the sampling I have done with it.Everyone should watch the documentary "Hungry for Change."
It does a great job of explaining what processed foods and artificial sweeteners do to the body.
It also explains how people's 'hunger pains' are from a of lack of micros, and not macros.0 -
The reason I wanted to see your diary is bc you said you eat a lot of GI foods. I don't understand how you can have the body you do and eat a lot of GI foods. I didn't believe you, but maybe you do.
for someone who doesn't have her own diary open, you're awfully obsessed with seeing other's diaries.0 -
Check out the Wheat Belly facebook page also. 44,000 fans.
Justin Bieber also has a lot of fans. How on earth does number of facebook fans have any relevance here.0 -
Got it. You prefer junk science from a discredited quack physician with an overt agenda over peer-reviewed scientific studies. SideSteel has provided solid advice backed by science and even given you the links to the research so you could educate yourself. If you prefer to cling to dogma and pseudoscience, good luck with your program. Just know that what you believe is incorrect and not based upon fact.This is very similar to the Dr. Joel Fuhrman program I keep talking about and it makes sense. I am trying to adopt it. I believe in it and have had good results with the sampling I have done with it.0 -
The program said to eat a lot of veggies and fruits, where most of your diet is from the veggies. To get fat from avocados and nuts. To eat light dairy and light oil. To eat more fish than chicken and eggs. To avoid beef for the most part. To eat legumes before chicken and eggs. To make your own salad dressing from fruits and nuts. To avoid processed foods. He said when choosing fruits and veggies that some rank higher than others on a scale and to choose say kale over cauliflower. An apple above other fruits. And you think this is quacky? I am confused you call this diet, "junky".
Got it. You prefer junk science from a discredited quack physician with an overt agenda over peer-reviewed scientific studies. SideSteel has provided solid advice backed by science and even given you the links to the research so you could educate yourself. If you prefer to cling to dogma and pseudoscience, good luck with your program. Just know that what you believe is incorrect and not based upon fact.This is very similar to the Dr. Joel Fuhrman program I keep talking about and it makes sense. I am trying to adopt it. I believe in it and have had good results with the sampling I have done with it.
Sidesteel said he eats, "plenty of GI foods" and ice cream before bed during cutting. I can't do that. I also can't read yet another MFP thread where a bunch of mostly-non-experts argue and attack one another such as we see going on here. I don't have time to weed through all of that. I am sorry you think I like quacks, but I do have to follow the diet I described above by the doctor. Thanks for your concern though. I can't find anything that I don't like about it. I will splurge on occasion, probably once a week or once every two weeks. I like wine, I love pizza, I love Mexican food. Sushi rocks, but mainly, yes I will follow Dr. Fuhrman's plan as described above. I am sorry you think the diet I described above is wrong. I am sorry you think it is not based on fact. I believe it is.0 -
I hope the actual OP with the original question actually got their question answered.0
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I am sure she has a lot of food for thought here. Like all other threads, there is always contradicting information, but it is grounds for research to prove or disprove comments.I hope the actual OP with the original question actually got their question answered.0 -
The Wheat Belly facebook page is a great page to get help when you need it about living without wheat and modern grains. The 44,000 fans is not to boast as to the number. It is to clarify as there are many others like it. This one (the one with 44,000 actually is moderated by the book author, Dr. William Davis. He posts as he can and answers questions. Go to a different page and who knows what you will find.
Lisa0 -
Check out the Wheat Belly facebook page also. 44,000 fans.
Justin Bieber also has a lot of fans. How on earth does number of facebook fans have any relevance here.
This is to clarify and help you get to the right page if you really want to go to the wheat belly facebook page. There are others which are fan pages. The page with 44,000 is moderated by Dr. William Davis, the Wheat Belly book author. He answers questions as he can.0 -
Fuhrman is a quack like Oz. I bought the book and it's going in the bin.0
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