Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.

Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.

I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.

Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.

I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."

Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.

I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.

^^ I don't mean to be rude, but with 100lbs to lose (great job on making it more than half way, btw! ) I'd wager that at one stage you must have indeed sought "something" from food beyond general sustenance.

QFT

But given of the exhaustive list of excuses she has made for other people being overweight, I'm sure she will disagree with you.

hahahaha what you have an extremely rare and highly fatal case of swine-goat-sheep flu? you're screwed. our last swine-goat-sheep flu specialist died last week.

:laugh:

Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.

I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.

Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.

I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."

Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.

I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.

^^ I don't mean to be rude, but with 100lbs to lose (great job on making it more than half way, btw! ) I'd wager that at one stage you must have indeed sought "something" from food beyond general sustenance.

In any event, each to their own, I personally know that the prospect of a lifetime without treats simply isn't sustainable - FOR ME - and after years of yo-yo dieting (the last few being focused on a 'paleo' approach) I've come to realise that long term success means learning to incorporate in reasonable portions the less-than-stellar choices to maintain a sense of enjoyment around food :-)

And I have no shame in deriving pleasure from eating.

I had no prior knowledge/awareness of OP and the pop tart debate, but I've enjoyed the thread, particularly the holier-than-thou responses over the last few pages :-D

I'm not sure where that 100 pounds came from but I do not have another almost 50 pounds to lose (at the most, I had 60 pounds to lose. I was never that big--it was more a matter of losing my muscle mass (I used to be an athlete in my youth--until arthritis struck) . The weight actually accumulated over the years from being less active (due to the arthritis) and eating foods that were wrong for my body. I never ate that many calories in any day. But just a slight amount over for a long time produces a lot of avoirdupois.

Please hear me on this: I do still take pleasure in eating various foods and beverages---they are just different ones than formerly. I have learned to absolutely love avocado and sage tea, for example (I never heard of such things 20 years ago). But, I have lived a very happy life, all without tying my happiness to food. As a child, I may have sought happiness in food, but since I grew up, I learned that pleasure does not equal happiness. And happiness does not equal true joy.

They are bad because they lack bacon. DUH!

Ew that bacon is totally raw

mmmm that bacon looks delicious!!!!

They are bad because they lack bacon. DUH!

Ew that bacon is totally raw

mmmm that bacon looks delicious!!!!

I call the parts that are sticking out. That's my favorite part!

so guys, I'm gonna go eat some pop tarts today. :laugh: my local bodega's selection is limited - brown sugar or cherry i think... which do I go with?

OMG - of course you go with the Brown Sugar Cinnamon (no frosting). They are the best. Happy tarting!

I haven't read through the 14 pages of this thread but is OP really eating 4k cals everyday with 300+ g of protein, 100+g of fat, and a lot of carbs each day and thinking it's good? All that'll do is give you fat on top of fat

It's not a big deal if you are eating (and burning) 3000-4000 calories per day. People that are questioning your choices probably don't consider this. For many who are eating less than 2000 calories a day, 800 calories every day from pop tarts and ice cream is a problem. Don't ask me to defend that assertion. I am pretty sure we all recognize this to be common sense.

Yup. And...I'm at the point of life where if I eat even one poptart, it throws my heart out of rhythm there is so much "fast sugar" in there at one time on an empty stomach. To each his own. I'm at the point where, if I don't want people's opinion on my dieting choices, I just keep my diary closed. (I'd have a warm brown cinnamon sugar poptart every day if I could. YUM!) I like a treat of a 1/2 cup of ice-cream now and then. Nothing like it. All things in moderation, we all make our own choices. I'm moving toward whole grains, less processed, and lower fats because I have to. If you need/want them, enjoy!

so guys, I'm gonna go eat some pop tarts today. :laugh: my local bodega's selection is limited - brown sugar or cherry i think... which do I go with?

The brown sugar pop tarts are amazing.

i've had em both and like 'em both... just if i'm gonna do this i gotta make the right call. haha

Be sure you toast it up and have a nice glass of milk handy

Who cares about the empty calories, pop tarts are just gross. I'd rather indulge in the ice cream and skip the pop tarts.