Why are people so negative regarding clean eating?

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant redaf once I n a long while LOL

What is a grease fired food?

And ummm, way to miss what most people who do not purport to eat clean actually eat.

What is a grease fired food?

Very very very dangerous. Very.

Do not attempt to put it out with water.

dont listen to the bs. men around 10% bf eat mostly clean! of course they treat themselves from time to time. but their cals are so restricted that they cant blow 800 cals on a mcdonalds. unless the are runners and they can eat whatever.

You haven't met SideSteel, have you...

Or Acg

or ChrisDavey


or actually, dozens of guys on my FL

do they eat calorie dense foods all day or are they very tight on their diet which allows them to indulge

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant once I n a long while LOL

Bwah? Who's diet is 50% 'junk' food?

Most IIFYMers I know do 70/30, 80/20 and some even 90/10 at times. (the larger percentage being "clean" in case someone wasn't aware)

Yeah. I wish I could eat 50% 'junk' and still get anywhere near my protein and fat goal. I'm already kinda wishing I'd gone a bit easier on the potatoes today, and those aren't even 'junk'.

Then again they were white potatoes and white carbs are the devil. I think? Not sure if I understand the concept correctly.

Amen!

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant once I n a long while LOL

Bwah? Who's diet is 50% 'junk' food?

Most IIFYMers I know do 70/30, 80/20 and some even 90/10 at times. (the larger percentage being "clean" in case someone wasn't aware)

Yeah. I wish I could eat 50% 'junk' and still get anywhere near my protein and fat goal. I'm already kinda wishing I'd gone a bit easier on the potatoes today, and those aren't even 'junk'.

Then again they were white potatoes and white carbs are the devil. I think? Not sure if I understand the concept correctly.

I see foods that are grease fried foods, and all kinds of ingredients in them you cant read on the back as junk food , and to me that is dirty eating all other food is fine pretty much go back about 60,70 years how they ate then pretty much before food was starting to be manipulated with all kinds of added stuff

You do realize that margarine was very widely used in the 60 and 70s and it had trans fats in it then. It was also colored to look like butter during that time.

Still not sure what grease fried foods are. Foods were fried with lard a lot back in the 60s and 70s.

I just wish you (on both teams) realized how you come across to newbies.

I think, after lurking, commenting, and reading around both sides that it has become asymptotical. The IIFYM folks shouting from the rooftops about how they eat dirty then defending how they don't eat all dirty all the time and some even say they eat "clean" part of the time.

Then the clean people admitting they sometimes eat dirty after talking so hard about the clean eating they believe in.

Is it just me or are both sides saying similar things?

Everyone claims they just have the best interests of other people at heart - but the fighting, name calling and posturing is not productive.

It's beginning to sound like religious zealots who shout at you on the street. They believe what they believe so strongly that they feel this burning need to share it, but nobody takes them seriously. The end is nigh....

Nobody is perfect - and personally, I don't like perfect people. They make me develop twitches... and use my sailor language.

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant once I n a long while LOL

Bwah? Who's diet is 50% 'junk' food?

Most IIFYMers I know do 70/30, 80/20 and some even 90/10 at times. (the larger percentage being "clean" in case someone wasn't aware)

Yeah. I wish I could eat 50% 'junk' and still get anywhere near my protein and fat goal. I'm already kinda wishing I'd gone a bit easier on the potatoes today, and those aren't even 'junk'.

Then again they were white potatoes and white carbs are the devil. I think? Not sure if I understand the concept correctly.

I see foods that are grease fried foods, and all kinds of ingredients in them you cant read on the back as junk food , and to me that is dirty eating all other food is fine pretty much go back about 60,70 years how they ate then pretty much before food was starting to be manipulated with all kinds of added stuff

You do realize that margarine was very widely used in the 60 and 70s and it had trans fats in it then. It was also colored to look like butter during that time.

Still not sure what grease fried foods are. Foods were fried with lard a lot back in the 60s and 70s.

^ Very true. Canned food, such as potted meat, was also incredibly common. Does anyone still eat Spam anymore except in Hawaii? At least in the U.S. there has been quite a shift since the 1970s into using fresh food and more vegetables and fruits. The California food movement has quite an effect. I think it's hard for many people to understand how much of a change this really represents. All you have to do though is go back and look at a 1960s version of "The Joy of Cooking" to see how many more fresh ingredients are being used.

before food was starting to be manipulated and I said 60 or 70 yeas ago not the 1970's so more like the 1940's

I just wish you (on both teams) realized how you come across to newbies.

I think, after lurking, commenting, and reading around both sides that it has become asymptotical. The IIFYM folks shouting from the rooftops about how they eat dirty then defending how they don't eat all dirty all the time and some even say they eat "clean" part of the time.

Then the clean people admitting they sometimes eat dirty after talking so hard about the clean eating they believe in.

Is it just me or are both sides saying similar things?

Everyone claims they just have the best interests of other people at heart - but the fighting, name calling and posturing is not productive.

It's beginning to sound like religious zealots who shout at you on the street. They believe what they believe so strongly that they feel this burning need to share it, but nobody takes them seriously. The end is nigh....

Nobody is perfect - and personally, I don't like perfect people. They make me develop twitches... and use my sailor language.

^ Your bolded language pretty much gets to the point that many IIFYM folks are trying to make. We all strive for great diets, but we realize that "perfection" isn't attainable, or even a reasonable goal. Instead, we work very hard to eat a good diet but allow ourselves to not sweat over things that matter very little if at all.

well we all are watching what we are eating and this IIFYM fad will be gone in a few years and it will be something new but if we stick to the principles of not overeating we all will be fine

well we all are watching what we are eating and this IIFYM fad will be gone in a few years and it will be something new but if we stick to the principles of not overeating we all will be fine

lol at fad.

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant once I n a long while LOL

Bwah? Who's diet is 50% 'junk' food?

Most IIFYMers I know do 70/30, 80/20 and some even 90/10 at times. (the larger percentage being "clean" in case someone wasn't aware)

Yeah. I wish I could eat 50% 'junk' and still get anywhere near my protein and fat goal. I'm already kinda wishing I'd gone a bit easier on the potatoes today, and those aren't even 'junk'.

Then again they were white potatoes and white carbs are the devil. I think? Not sure if I understand the concept correctly.

I see foods that are grease fried foods, and all kinds of ingredients in them you cant read on the back as junk food , and to me that is dirty eating all other food is fine pretty much go back about 60,70 years how they ate then pretty much before food was starting to be manipulated with all kinds of added stuff

You do realize that margarine was very widely used in the 60 and 70s and it had trans fats in it then. It was also colored to look like butter during that time.

Still not sure what grease fried foods are. Foods were fried with lard a lot back in the 60s and 70s.

^ Very true. Canned food, such as potted meat, was also incredibly common. Does anyone still eat Spam anymore except in Hawaii? At least in the U.S. there has been quite a shift since the 1970s into using fresh food and more vegetables and fruits. The California food movement has quite an effect. I think it's hard for many people to understand how much of a change this really represents. All you have to do though is go back and look at a 1960s version of "The Joy of Cooking" to see how many more fresh ingredients are being used.

before food was starting to be manipulated and I said 60 or 70 yeas ago not the 1970's so more like the 1940's

You're off by centuries at a minimum. We certainly have gotten better at it but manipulation of our foods to make them easier to grow and better tasting goes back quite far.

Edit: For starters go back and read a novel called "The Jungle" written in 1906. That started the food safety movement in the U.S. We didn't have an obesity epidemic back then. We had other issues.

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant once I n a long while LOL

Bwah? Who's diet is 50% 'junk' food?

Most IIFYMers I know do 70/30, 80/20 and some even 90/10 at times. (the larger percentage being "clean" in case someone wasn't aware)

Yeah. I wish I could eat 50% 'junk' and still get anywhere near my protein and fat goal. I'm already kinda wishing I'd gone a bit easier on the potatoes today, and those aren't even 'junk'.

Then again they were white potatoes and white carbs are the devil. I think? Not sure if I understand the concept correctly.

I see foods that are grease fried foods, and all kinds of ingredients in them you cant read on the back as junk food , and to me that is dirty eating all other food is fine pretty much go back about 60,70 years how they ate then pretty much before food was starting to be manipulated with all kinds of added stuff

You do realize that margarine was very widely used in the 60 and 70s and it had trans fats in it then. It was also colored to look like butter during that time.

Still not sure what grease fried foods are. Foods were fried with lard a lot back in the 60s and 70s.

^ Very true. Canned food, such as potted meat, was also incredibly common. Does anyone still eat Spam anymore except in Hawaii? At least in the U.S. there has been quite a shift since the 1970s into using fresh food and more vegetables and fruits. The California food movement has quite an effect. I think it's hard for many people to understand how much of a change this really represents. All you have to do though is go back and look at a 1960s version of "The Joy of Cooking" to see how many more fresh ingredients are being used.

before food was starting to be manipulated and I said 60 or 70 yeas ago not the 1970's so more like the 1940's

You're off by centuries at a minimum. We certainly have gotten better at it but manipulation of our foods to make them easier to grow and better tasting goes back quite far.

they were not eating foods back then like the stuff we have now with a ton of added ingredients stuff we don't know what it is in it pick up a box of those junk foods and I bet you cant even pronounce what is in it

I am beginning to think that dirty eaters are all together way too sensitive. Low blood sugar maybe? Insulin bounce? Or maybe it is the post pop-tart blues (you KNEW someone had to mention Pop Tarts).

yeah you would think the clean eaters would be more upset cause they cant have that junk food LOL if I was part of the dirty eater group I would be like good more pop tarts and grease fired food for me


but really I think the dirty eaters just cant stand that we say clean eating it pisses them off, but really all we are saying is that we don't want to make 50 percent of our diet junk food maybe like 90 percent clean and once in a while treat our self's to some fried foods or all types of ingredients foods you cant once I n a long while LOL

Bwah? Who's diet is 50% 'junk' food?

Most IIFYMers I know do 70/30, 80/20 and some even 90/10 at times. (the larger percentage being "clean" in case someone wasn't aware)

Yeah. I wish I could eat 50% 'junk' and still get anywhere near my protein and fat goal. I'm already kinda wishing I'd gone a bit easier on the potatoes today, and those aren't even 'junk'.

Then again they were white potatoes and white carbs are the devil. I think? Not sure if I understand the concept correctly.

I see foods that are grease fried foods, and all kinds of ingredients in them you cant read on the back as junk food , and to me that is dirty eating all other food is fine pretty much go back about 60,70 years how they ate then pretty much before food was starting to be manipulated with all kinds of added stuff

You do realize that margarine was very widely used in the 60 and 70s and it had trans fats in it then. It was also colored to look like butter during that time.

Still not sure what grease fried foods are. Foods were fried with lard a lot back in the 60s and 70s.

^ Very true. Canned food, such as potted meat, was also incredibly common. Does anyone still eat Spam anymore except in Hawaii? At least in the U.S. there has been quite a shift since the 1970s into using fresh food and more vegetables and fruits. The California food movement has quite an effect. I think it's hard for many people to understand how much of a change this really represents. All you have to do though is go back and look at a 1960s version of "The Joy of Cooking" to see how many more fresh ingredients are being used.

before food was starting to be manipulated and I said 60 or 70 yeas ago not the 1970's so more like the 1940's

You're off by centuries at a minimum. We certainly have gotten better at it but manipulation of our foods to make them easier to grow and better tasting goes back quite far.

they were not eating foods back then like the stuff we have now with a ton of Additives such as Yellow Nos. 5 and 6, annato or beta carote

And?

That last one is a precursor to vitamin A by the way, at least if you are referring to "beta carotene."

Too hard not to pop in especially when I see the same common users in here. I agree with much of what everyone is saying, I think both the "clean eaters" and "dirty eaters" are pretty much in agreeance over the same issues. Eat well balanced, get your proper nutrition, splurge in moderation when you need to, be realistic, have a well balanced diet you can stick with long term, stay active, include weight training. I just think this " IIFYM fad" is another diet label. I personally stay away from any and all diets.

All the attacking is a bit out of hand though. If you mention you try to avoid bacon, white rice, or ice cream watch out! I think what the IIFYM crew doesn't realize is just because someone tries to avoid a certain type of food doesn't mean that they never eat it and any user has the right to think a certain type of food is not the healthiest option without getting a barrage of attacks for your difference of opinion.

Pretty sure people attack you because they think you're cray and spread blatant nonsense, not because you avoid certain foods.

I avoid poptarts, for example, but as it turns out no one has ever attacked me over it.

Please stop proving my right, its getting tiring /yawn

You have posted some pretty inconsistent assertions. I think I get that you're dealing with clients with little self control and not a lot of motivation. I also get that trying to design a diet for someone who isn't going to exercise much is pretty difficult. My take at least though, is that you're preaching to a group of people (both the clean eaters and the IIFYM folks) that do exercise pretty seriously. Just my take.

Every person is different in these forums and clients I train. I have some that are dedicated and active and they can get away with eating certain foods. Others might need to make some serious changes and making better choices. Healthier substitutions are just ways to help. It shouldn't be shamed because instead of ordering dominos someone decides to make a homemade pizza that is higher in nutrients and lower in calories. Sometimes making better substitutions helps people lose weight and keep it off. All the "I scarf Pizza all the time" users don't need to chime in and freak out over it. No one said to never enjoy a slice of pizza. I've worked with a Registered Dietician for years and a lot of what she does is help people add in tasty substitutions that are healthier and lower calorie for foods they already like so they don't feel deprived. There are far too many approaches out there to just assume that one particular way is the end all be all.