A Calorie is NOT just a Calorie

And science people want science here you go:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.ful

"Thermodynamics dictate that a calorie is a calorie regardless of the macronutrient composition of the diet. Further research on differences in the composition of weight loss and on the influence of satiety on compliance with energy-restricted diets is needed to explain the observed increase in weight loss with diets high in protein and/or low in carbohydrate. "

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-causes/diet-and-weight/

"Conventional wisdom says that since a calorie is a calorie, regardless of its source, the best advice for weight control is simply to eat less and exercise more. Yet emerging research suggests that some foods and eating patterns may make it easier to keep calories in check, while others may make people more likely to overeat."



And one of my favorite quotes:

"Thus, studies using extreme diets may be useful for probing biochemical pathways, but they have no relevance to the human diet or to current consumption."

All this says is that people tend to have problems keeping a diet. That's not exactly anything new.

And science people want science here you go:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.ful

"Thermodynamics dictate that a calorie is a calorie regardless of the macronutrient composition of the diet. Further research on differences in the composition of weight loss and on the influence of satiety on compliance with energy-restricted diets is needed to explain the observed increase in weight loss with diets high in protein and/or low in carbohydrate. "

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-causes/diet-and-weight/

"Conventional wisdom says that since a calorie is a calorie, regardless of its source, the best advice for weight control is simply to eat less and exercise more. Yet emerging research suggests that some foods and eating patterns may make it easier to keep calories in check, while others may make people more likely to overeat."



And one of my favorite quotes:

"Thus, studies using extreme diets may be useful for probing biochemical pathways, but they have no relevance to the human diet or to current consumption."

All this says is that people tend to have problems keeping a diet. That's not exactly anything new.

Most people confuse their own personal results, with absolute proof and they start making fools of themselves. Switch from a very bad diet, to a somewhat bad diet, and you will lose weight. Does not mean you are now a nutrition expert!

Eat low carbs, move around a lot and you burn that fat as keytones, plus the other body fat you have.

How does that make you fat??

The Keytones are a band.

Most people confuse their own personal results, with absolute proof and they start making fools of themselves. Switch from a very bad diet, to a somewhat bad diet, and you will lose weight. Does not mean you are now a nutrition expert!

but when someone says a calorie is not a calorie but they mean food has different nutrional values then they should say food has different nutrional values and some keep you feeling fuller longer...not a calorie is not a calorie cause it is.

Maybe some people need to hear it like this;

On the left you have a Yugo. On the right you have a Mercedes Benz. Both cars weigh the same. But the Mercedez is a much better quality car, has more luxury, is better safety rated, etc.

But they still weigh the same. All the stuff doesn't change how much either weighs.

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I don't think you understand what ketones are. When your body doesn't have enough insulin to help it break down glocuse into the blood for energy, it breaks fat down into ketones instead. This is NOT normal and is also VERY dangerous to the body. It's what happens to people with Type I Diabetes that puts them into Diabetic Ketoacidosis and potentially a coma, and even death. It doesn't happen in the NORMAL body.

Please stop with the ketone malarky.

Diabetic ketoacidosis occurs due to a combination of different factors, not simply the presence of ketones in your blood. Mere ketones alone are insufficient to diagnose a state of diabetic ketoacidosis and eating a low carb diet that results in a state of ketosis does not magically lead to diabetic ketoacidosis. Please stop with the fear mongering.

Medical facts: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/ketoacidosis-dka.html

While I don't follow low carb and don't promote ketogenic diet, there is a difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis. The concentrations of ketones in ketoacidosis is much higher, and I don't know if there have ever been cases of ketoacidosis in non-diabetics.

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v67/n8/full/ejcn2013116a.html

I don't think you understand what ketones are. When your body doesn't have enough insulin to help it break down glocuse into the blood for energy, it breaks fat down into ketones instead. This is NOT normal and is also VERY dangerous to the body. It's what happens to people with Type I Diabetes that puts them into Diabetic Ketoacidosis and potentially a coma, and even death. It doesn't happen in the NORMAL body.

Please stop with the ketone malarky.

Diabetic ketoacidosis occurs due to a combination of different factors, not simply the presence of ketones in your blood. Mere ketones alone are insufficient to diagnose a state of diabetic ketoacidosis and eating a low carb diet that results in a state of ketosis does not magically lead to diabetic ketoacidosis. Please stop with the fear mongering.

Medical facts: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/ketoacidosis-dka.html

While I don't follow low carb and don't promote ketogenic diet, there is a difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis. The concentrations of ketones in ketoacidosis is much higher, and I don't know if there have ever been cases of ketoacidosis in non-diabetics.

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v67/n8/full/ejcn2013116a.html

my point was that there's no medical basis for 'burning ketones' as the poster was claiming. It will only happen if there is not enough insulin present to carry the glucose into the bloodstream. It's not a fuel source or weight loss program.

I has a sad...this thread is slowing down...:frown:

I has a sad...this thread is slowing down...:frown:

Our primal tennis friend unfortunately left. I hope I didn't scare him away with all that talk of peptide bonds and whatnot.

I don't think you understand what ketones are. When your body doesn't have enough insulin to help it break down glocuse into the blood for energy, it breaks fat down into ketones instead. This is NOT normal and is also VERY dangerous to the body. It's what happens to people with Type I Diabetes that puts them into Diabetic Ketoacidosis and potentially a coma, and even death. It doesn't happen in the NORMAL body.

Please stop with the ketone malarky.

Diabetic ketoacidosis occurs due to a combination of different factors, not simply the presence of ketones in your blood. Mere ketones alone are insufficient to diagnose a state of diabetic ketoacidosis and eating a low carb diet that results in a state of ketosis does not magically lead to diabetic ketoacidosis. Please stop with the fear mongering.

Medical facts: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/ketoacidosis-dka.html

I has a sad...this thread is slowing down...:frown:

Our primal tennis friend unfortunately left. I hope I didn't scare him away with all that talk of peptide bonds and whatnot.

You gotta stop scaring people with science.

I has a sad...this thread is slowing down...:frown:

Our primal tennis friend unfortunately left. I hope I didn't scare him away with all that talk of peptide bonds and whatnot.

You gotta stop scaring people with science.

Have you ever wondered why some of the new people, particularly ones with a lot to lose, struggle so hard to accept such a simple concept?

Maybe it's because many have struggled for years trying to lose weight. Lots of rules, lots of diets, lots of failed attempts. Losing weight has been Hard, and they're not happy.

Then they come here and see all the "happy fit folk" saying its easy. And it's not! In their minds , it is hell. And for us to come in and tell them its not is a huge slap in the face.

This process is personal. And emotional. Some of them need hand holding and a lot of encouragement. Changing your world view is tough. And even though the mechanism of weight loss is simple. Cals in < cals out, the emotional changes are not.

Just a few thoughts. Kinda off topic. I'm sorry.

I do get that, but I also think that they get mad because they want us to tell them they have to give something up, like cake or beef or carbs. Then they can tell themselves they've done that and achieved something, like "eating clean". I kind of compare it to when my sone came out to my husband when he was 16. He was all geared up for this big confrontation and when my husband was calm and said he was okay with it my son blew up and got very angry, simply because he was expecting a big fight. Noobs expect something hard, so they can say, I've made this big change to my eating, not just "I'm still eating the same, only less of it."

I think maybe they get mad because ALL THIS TIME they have struggled, and now they realize that they didn't have to. To all of a sudden accept that losing weight does not have to be torture, that living healthy is not a miserable carrot eating death sentence... that is to acknowledge that years lost being unable to do the things they wanted to do, or feel the ways they wanted to feel... those years didn't need to be lost.

Sometimes it is easier to accept a hard complicated solution, because it doesn't make us feel like we've wasted time.

My mom has struggled for 40 years with her weight. 40 years of crash diets, self loathing, weight watchers, how, u weight loss, 1200 cals a day. When I tell her what I do, and how I eat, she wants to cry. She doesn't want to believe that the last 40 years of struggling were not necessary. She gets mad, and depressed, and reaches for the cake. She's not ready yet.



An analogy... It's like those magic 3D pictures popular in the 90s... I had one in my class when they first came out. And for the life of me I couldn't see see the 3d image. I stared for hours, crosseyed, nose to glass, did all the tricks... andit PISSED ME OFF that all my friends could see it. Once I learned HOW - I could no longer NOT see the image. There was no going back. It was easy.

Some of these people are trying and working and struggling, and getting frustrated at all the people who can "see the image". And they can't. And some of them may feel like the ones who can are calling them complete idiots. Once they figure it out, they'll be off and running. Until then, standing there and yelling at them to LOOK HARDER is not going to help.

So we just keep explaining, gently, how it all works, and hope eventually they will see.