How do you feel about fat pride?
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Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:0 -
""""""[/quote] Being obese is healthy? It's not even reasonably debatable
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Obese by what standard? I think the word obese is a rediculous term. I am currently over 234. I run an easy 15 - 20 miles a week. I ride a road bike daily (abouit 100 miles a week) I am healthy, proud of myself, and obese by over 30 lbs on the high end..
When did Ironman 140.6 in 12 hours, finishing 25th, I was "OBESE" by 20 + lbs.
Can anyone say muscle?
Fat pride is a weird term. If I felt I was fat, I would not be proud, it seems a contradiction.
Obese- meh! I even pay higher for my life insurance due to that idiotic table of measurement and teminology.
Fat is fat and a BF% term to me.
LOL!! I just hd a rant. That's probably because I got a new doctor that told me I needed to lose weight. Due to his reading my chart on his way in. Then off the shirt to listen to my lungs and stuff, and he's like. Oh, you obviously work out alot. I said- no, I need to lose weight you said. Even he had to chuckle.0 -
No one should be ashamed of who they are, regardless of size. However, there's a difference between being confident and loving yourself and accepting that your choices may not be healthy ones. Even slender people have trouble with body image, etc., and honestly being slender doesn't necessarily mean that person is healthy. I think we should all strive to improve in whatever area is important to us and I can't think of one that's more important than our health. In the meantime, while we're striving, stand up, wear a smile and love yourself!
That said, I hope that the movement to encourage society to be more accepting of various body styles doesn't translate into it being okay to be unhealthy because "everyone accepts me this way". We as individuals should want better for ourselves...always.0 -
I agree ....I dont believe that people should be picked on. But the truth is the truth, If you don't like it....change it. But stop giving everyone on the team a trophy....that is NOT right.0
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and I thought I was conceited:noway::noway:
There is a difference between being fat and obese.
If someone is fat, I show empathy, and actually don't even pay them any mind.
When I see someone that is obese, my stomach aches :sick: my heart breaks :brokenheart: and if its family I feel the need for confrontation since they are killing themselves.
You can be 'proud' despite being fat, but you surely shouldn't be proud being obese... you should be confronted and get your act together.
I'm pretty sure most people who're obese have been confronted by others. Just stop.
I went into a coma from drinking myself into one - confrontation stinks, but being a former hardcore substance abuser that confrontation not only saved my life, it made me the perfect model for the next michelangelo's David. :bigsmile:0 -
Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.0 -
and I thought I was conceited:noway::noway:
There is a difference between being fat and obese.
If someone is fat, I show empathy, and actually don't even pay them any mind.
When I see someone that is obese, my stomach aches :sick: my heart breaks :brokenheart: and if its family I feel the need for confrontation since they are killing themselves.
You can be 'proud' despite being fat, but you surely shouldn't be proud being obese... you should be confronted and get your act together.
I'm pretty sure most people who're obese have been confronted by others. Just stop.
I went into a coma from drinking myself into one - confrontation stinks, but being a former hardcore substance abuser that confrontation not only saved my life, it made me the perfect model for the next michelangelo's David. :bigsmile:
Potato, Pototo, Tomato, Tomoto... cocky, confident, conceited... I mean idk I just call a spade a spade.
and there is a crack in Michelangelo's David... maybe I could be the new model once it comes crashing down.
:blushing:
-at least I have better hair. :bigsmile:0 -
If you are David then I am the Monalisa......LMAO:glasses:
and I thought I was conceited:noway::noway:
There is a difference between being fat and obese.
If someone is fat, I show empathy, and actually don't even pay them any mind.
When I see someone that is obese, my stomach aches :sick: my heart breaks :brokenheart: and if its family I feel the need for confrontation since they are killing themselves.
You can be 'proud' despite being fat, but you surely shouldn't be proud being obese... you should be confronted and get your act together.
I'm pretty sure most people who're obese have been confronted by others. Just stop.
I went into a coma from drinking myself into one - confrontation stinks, but being a former hardcore substance abuser that confrontation not only saved my life, it made me the perfect model for the next michelangelo's David. :bigsmile:
Potato, Pototo, Tomato, Tomoto... cocky, confident, conceited... I mean idk I just call a spade a spade.
and there is a crack in Michelangelo's David... maybe I could be the new model once it comes crashing down.
:blushing:
-at least I have better hair. :bigsmile:0 -
I do not agree with any bullying or bashing. I think everyone should have the right to feel comfortable in their own skin, period. I know I am getting older and I have a lot of weight to lose myself, and I'm working on that. It is my choice to do so. We all should accept each other as is and drop all of the "political correctness". If we gave people the respect as human beings they deserve, there would be no need for any kind of "prides". Having to go to such a measure tells me that as people we are doing something wrong. Some where along the way we have learned it's ok treat people badly if they don't see things as the majority does .If you feel others are wrong because of their choices, that's fine, but remember freedom allows everyone their own choices. Freedom is a precious thing and it seems we are losing more and more of them due too this kind of thinking.0
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I do not, for one minute, think anyone should celebrate being morbidly obese with diabetes and other various health problems. I do think people should celebrate who they are.
When I was bigger, I was generally unhappy as most people on here have said or can relate to. However, as I started working out and dropping some weight I started to feel happier. Don't get me wrong, I still wasn't happy about my size but I was happier because I was doing something to change myself.
I recognize not everyone will be a size whatever, and it takes all shapes and sizes. I also know when I was a teenager and much more involved in sports and such, I still wasn't a size 2, my body is thick so even healthy I am going to be more "solid" than a lot of women and that's ok - especially because I have a phenomenal support system who recognizes the work I have done to be healthy. Technically, I am still obese for a woman my height and weight according to BMI but then some pro-athletes are obese according to a BMI.
Where I'm going with this is that yes, be proud of yourself and your accomplishments and have the confidence to know you can do pretty much anything you set your mind to and commit to - do not be proud of being 400+ lbs and doing nothing about getting healthier. When I was bigger, and before I met my other half, I knew a man who told me he was only attracted to me because I was bigger and if I lost any more weight he couldn't be attracted to me. I wasn't dating him, but we can just say he was "interested". My partner now, yes he prefers curves a fuller figure, but he knows I am way happier now so he supports it all . . . he knows this is about me, it's not about anyone else. He doesn't encourage eating out or buying crappy foods - he might do it himself since he seems to be able to eat whatever - plus he has a really physical job - but when we grocery shop, he respects me by sticking to the list I made, by helping me meal prep and by understanding I need to portion my food. He still tells me how beautiful I am and even runs the stairs with me in our apartment building some nights.
I am proud of who I am and how far I've come, but as a former 300+ lbs woman, I cannot say I can support being fat and unhealthy. I cannot encourage someone to not take care of themselves, to allow themselves to develop diabetes, to develop other weight-related health issues . . . . I encourage everyone to take care of themselves, we only get one go at this!0 -
Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.0 -
If you are David then I am the Monalisa......LMAO:glasses:
and I thought I was conceited:noway::noway:
There is a difference between being fat and obese.
If someone is fat, I show empathy, and actually don't even pay them any mind.
When I see someone that is obese, my stomach aches :sick: my heart breaks :brokenheart: and if its family I feel the need for confrontation since they are killing themselves.
You can be 'proud' despite being fat, but you surely shouldn't be proud being obese... you should be confronted and get your act together.
I'm pretty sure most people who're obese have been confronted by others. Just stop.
I went into a coma from drinking myself into one - confrontation stinks, but being a former hardcore substance abuser that confrontation not only saved my life, it made me the perfect model for the next michelangelo's David. :bigsmile:
Potato, Pototo, Tomato, Tomoto... cocky, confident, conceited... I mean idk I just call a spade a spade.
and there is a crack in Michelangelo's David... maybe I could be the new model once it comes crashing down.
:blushing:
-at least I have better hair. :bigsmile:
Just be sure to smile this time... make humanities class a lil easier on everyone woulda?!0 -
For most of my adult life I had a horrible self image and self esteem. I based most of that self-loathing on my appearance because I was morbidly obese. I was teased, tormented, mocked, on a regular basis. It took me a long time to understand that I had to learn how to love myself, regardless of what my body looks like, in order to ever be a happy and healthy person.
Obesity was such a vicious cycle for me. I hated myself because of how my body looked, so I punished myself be treating it poorly (no exercise, way too much food).
That being said, I understand the concept behind "fat pride" mostly because I've lived the life of a fat person who hated herself. I'm not saying I agree with it completely, but I understand it.0 -
I don't think its about accepting being fat. Its accepting themselves and loving themselves for who they are, while the rest of the world kicks them down. It about finding their inner confidence despite what they look like. Why should they hate themselves and look down on themselves cause they aren't the picture of health or meet certain beauty standards. I respect someone who knows their worth despite their appearance. And at the end of the day, its nobody's business what other people do with their body. Everyone has their own and can do as they wish with it.0
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Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.0
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I think its a dangerous thing to tie ones self esteem, acceptance, worth, etc. to body image. You are more than your body- more than your weight.
Should you love your body, absolutely. Should you let your size or weight validate who you are as a being? Maybe not so much. Eventually you will get old. Your muscles will wither, your skin will wrinkle and your hair color will fade. You might wear a size 6 or a size 16, you might be healthy or you might have a medical condition.. at some point in your valuable life, your body will change to the point that it cannot define you as a being.
That being said, I do know people on both ends of the spectrum, fat and skinny, fit and not fit, who are healthy. And not. It's a world full of people who fall on either side, and no one is better than the other for it.0 -
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.0 -
Having Motor Focal Epilepsy and the medications that they insist I be on I have a hard time regulating my weight. So I made a compromise. I will regulate my health (eat right (or better), get plenty of sleep and exercise, laugh more and love me). That way even if I am 189, I am still healthy. As a matter of fact my doctor was impressed that my blood pressure was like that of a distance runner, and I never run (Navy messed up my knees with the steel decks). So getting older and gaining a little weight is natural, but to simply treat your body like a sewer system is not. The only opinion that really matters is yours and the good Lords. So Fat pride is like a stepping stone to that kind of mentality.0
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That being said, I understand the concept behind "fat pride" mostly because I've lived the life of a fat person who hated herself. I'm not saying I agree with it completely, but I understand it.
I understand it too - but I think it should be more focused around how it takes all shapes and sizes, not eating too much of the very wrong foods and not exercising.
It's totally ok - and should be encouraged - to have a self worth that isn't attached to your physical appearance but our bodies can't be abused like that forever and we should take care of our bodies since we only get one of them.0 -
HMMMMM I will take that suggestion under consideration......:devil:
If you are David then I am the Monalisa......LMAO:glasses:
and I thought I was conceited:noway::noway:
There is a difference between being fat and obese.
If someone is fat, I show empathy, and actually don't even pay them any mind.
When I see someone that is obese, my stomach aches :sick: my heart breaks :brokenheart: and if its family I feel the need for confrontation since they are killing themselves.
You can be 'proud' despite being fat, but you surely shouldn't be proud being obese... you should be confronted and get your act together.
I'm pretty sure most people who're obese have been confronted by others. Just stop.
I went into a coma from drinking myself into one - confrontation stinks, but being a former hardcore substance abuser that confrontation not only saved my life, it made me the perfect model for the next michelangelo's David. :bigsmile:
Potato, Pototo, Tomato, Tomoto... cocky, confident, conceited... I mean idk I just call a spade a spade.
and there is a crack in Michelangelo's David... maybe I could be the new model once it comes crashing down.
:blushing:
-at least I have better hair. :bigsmile:
Just be sure to smile this time... make humanities class a lil easier on everyone woulda?!0 -
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
There were roughly 5 million people living in the US in the 1800's. Today 313 million. You're comparing apples to bacon.0 -
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.
"People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help. "
-true.. but people can get that help in the market.. I didn't have any help from any government agency or anything like that...
Didn'tcha know the Catholic church used to do other things then hurt kids, they actually used to be one of the biggest medical benefactors to children.
jeez.. well I agreeeee 110% on your last sentence...if these wars would stinkin end I wouldn't give a hoot about that money being spent on us at home.0 -
Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.0 -
Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.
you can't let anything slide by ya sunofabeach!
I don't want to get into the weeds in this - someone with your understanding of global and economic events certainly would agree these wars ending needs to be the priority to shout about anyone.
#supportthetroopsbybringinghomethetroops
however - "Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible." - I could not however disagree more with that.0 -
Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.
^lmao blunt much??
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You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.0 -
Nah he was just summarizing all your posts into one. LOL:laugh:Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.
^lmao blunt much??
XD0 -
Whatever floats people's boats. Fat, thin, average, extraterrestrial, whatever. I'd rather people have a healthy self-esteem and I'd rather others do not put them down and discriminate them based on looks.0
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Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.
you can't let anything slide by ya sunofabeach!
I don't want to get into the weeds in this - someone with your understanding of global and economic events certainly would agree these wars ending needs to be the priority to shout about anyone.
#supportthetroopsbybringinghomethetroops
however - "Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible." - I could not however disagree more with that.
You seem to be attempting to make an argument, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.0 -
You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.
I think we all LOVE the Vets - I Love them enough not to put them in harms way over needless campaigns and being a global police man...
#letsworryaboutourbordersbeforeworryingaboutpakistans
- and I'm also for totally open borders and totally free trade.
Economics :smokin: you sound like a crackpot in today's times till you get into the roots..
@SunofaBeach14 - I'm trying to avoid an argument.. it would take too long to explain and the issue isn't going to remotely change your idea most likely so its not worth the effort.. and frankly its not even a concern of mine - I'd much rather have these wars end and loose that argument about wasting money in America then wasting it over sea's blowing up bridges in Iraq and then rebuilding them.. and then blowing them up again.. and then rebuilding them.0
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