How do you feel about fat pride?
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"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
There were roughly 5 million people living in the US in the 1800's. Today 313 million. You're comparing apples to bacon.0 -
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.
"People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help. "
-true.. but people can get that help in the market.. I didn't have any help from any government agency or anything like that...
Didn'tcha know the Catholic church used to do other things then hurt kids, they actually used to be one of the biggest medical benefactors to children.
jeez.. well I agreeeee 110% on your last sentence...if these wars would stinkin end I wouldn't give a hoot about that money being spent on us at home.0 -
Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.0 -
Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.
you can't let anything slide by ya sunofabeach!
I don't want to get into the weeds in this - someone with your understanding of global and economic events certainly would agree these wars ending needs to be the priority to shout about anyone.
#supportthetroopsbybringinghomethetroops
however - "Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible." - I could not however disagree more with that.0 -
Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.
^lmao blunt much??
XD0 -
You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.0 -
Nah he was just summarizing all your posts into one. LOL:laugh:Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.
^lmao blunt much??
XD0 -
Whatever floats people's boats. Fat, thin, average, extraterrestrial, whatever. I'd rather people have a healthy self-esteem and I'd rather others do not put them down and discriminate them based on looks.0
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Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.
you can't let anything slide by ya sunofabeach!
I don't want to get into the weeds in this - someone with your understanding of global and economic events certainly would agree these wars ending needs to be the priority to shout about anyone.
#supportthetroopsbybringinghomethetroops
however - "Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible." - I could not however disagree more with that.
You seem to be attempting to make an argument, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.0 -
You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.
I think we all LOVE the Vets - I Love them enough not to put them in harms way over needless campaigns and being a global police man...
#letsworryaboutourbordersbeforeworryingaboutpakistans
- and I'm also for totally open borders and totally free trade.
Economics :smokin: you sound like a crackpot in today's times till you get into the roots..
@SunofaBeach14 - I'm trying to avoid an argument.. it would take too long to explain and the issue isn't going to remotely change your idea most likely so its not worth the effort.. and frankly its not even a concern of mine - I'd much rather have these wars end and loose that argument about wasting money in America then wasting it over sea's blowing up bridges in Iraq and then rebuilding them.. and then blowing them up again.. and then rebuilding them.0 -
Nah he was just summarizing all your posts into one. LOL:laugh:Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.
^lmao blunt much??
XD
I admit I didn't read the entire post haha! *0 -
Goes in the same ball park as putting people with backgrounds in economics as heads of hospitals, it's beyond me.Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.
As for the paying for mistakes of others, we never know people's life stories, what others may or may not have done to them (abuse of various kinds, etc.) to drive them into unfortunate lifestyles. Are we to sit on a high horse and judge them for it? I think not, but that right is ours only if we have led perfect lives without ever doing anything or anyone wrong ever.
Since it's impossible to measure this in any way, I think I'll go with "subsidized by others"; we all live in our local communities and we all use them in one way or the other, some more and others less. Currently there is no accurate model to calculate the individual's equation (give and take, net take) and whether you like it or not, we take one - or several - for the team.0 -
As I had to learn the hard way.. Freedom isnt Free... there are way more twists and turns to how these campaigns begin and end up than you or I could ever decipher. Being a global police man is the small part of the job believe it or not. I will just say this, I paid with my health for what we have and I dont regret it or want to exchange it. I just want others to appreciate what they have and be thankful for those who gave even more than I to get it.
You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
Says the former drug addict.
People need help all the time for different things. A lot of those things are direct results of bad decisions - that doesn't make them less worthy of the help.
I'd rather pay for medical care for an obese person than funnel another billion dollars into the DoD.
I think we all LOVE the Vets - I Love them enough not to put them in harms way over needless campaigns and being a global police man...
#letsworryaboutourbordersbeforeworryingaboutpakistans
- and I'm also for totally open borders and totally free trade.
Economics :smokin: you sound like a crackpot in today's times till you get into the roots..0 -
I do not think being fat, should result in a feeling of pride. That being said, I don't think it is something someone should necessarily be ashamed of either.
In my opinion, being fat is like smoking cigarettes. I do not think people should exhibit "tobacco pride". They should not necessarily be "ashamed" either, if they are trying to quit, or lead a healthy lifestyle.0 -
Dont worry all you missed was everyone arguing their point.... hmmm...who in here was on the debate team. LOL:huh:
Nah he was just summarizing all your posts into one. LOL:laugh:Just accept that you're overweight lose weight please. Its not healthy at all.
^lmao blunt much??
XD
I admit I didn't read the entire post haha! *0 -
You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
You're assigning meaning to my words that just aren't true. My lack of support of the DoD is not a reflection of my feelings about our military, or my support of them as individuals.
Our military budget is three times that of the budget of the next country - and more than the next 8 countries COMBINED. And after all that money we are FAILING our veterans horribly. The money being spent is not going where it should (to the VA hospitals, to support the men and women coming home and experiencing PTSD, to help our military acclimate back into civilian life).
Am I really supposed to want to support an organization that rips lives apart and doesn't help put them back together? No, I won't.
That does not mean, however, that I do not support our troops, past and present.
I'm sorry if my words and opinions offend you, but but I take serious issue with how our vets are treated and how badly the DoD fails them.0 -
WELL SAID!!!I do not think being fat, should result in a feeling of pride. That being said, I don't think it is something someone should necessarily be ashamed of either.
In my opinion, being fat is like smoking cigarettes. I do not think people should exhibit "tobacco pride". They should not necessarily be "ashamed" either, if they are trying to quit, or lead a healthy lifestyle.0 -
Being fat isn't always the same as being unhealthy. Being thin isn't always healthy.
Fat pride seems to be about tying self esteem to something BESIDES your weight just as Black Pride isn't about black supremacy and Gay Pride isn't about an anti-straight agenda.
I think its healthy and, if anything, can be far more motivating when it comes to healthy behavior than fat shaming.
Good response ^^^
Hadn't looked at it in that light before.
Xx
Not really. Being obese is a choice and is a medical issue that falls in the same category as drug abuse, smokers and alcoholics. At some point, a choice made someone obese, be it being overfed as a child, or eating too much, or not exercising enough, or not listening to doctors orders. It is also harmful to your health and has no positive benefits.
Being black or gay isn't a choice. Gay and black pride IS about being proud of who you are, and saying that because you were born different doesn't make you any less worthy. Being obese is not something that should be celebrated, or encouraged, and it certainly isn't something to be "proud" of.
Equally it isn't something to be shamed either, in the same way we shouldn't shame people with alcohol or drug addictions, because being obese is the same as being an alcoholic, a drug abuser or a smoker. 'Alcoholics Pride' sounds stupid but it is the same as 'Fat and Proud'. Helping people to become healthy is where we need to be, not encouraging them to stay in a position which will put them in an early grave. I would like to point out that this would go for someone who is unhealthy thin too, as 'Anorexics and Proud' is equally as insane.0 -
Goes in the same ball park as putting people with backgrounds in economics as heads of hospitals, it's beyond me.Just don't ask me to pay for "accepting" your lifestyle. By that I mean I don't want to be asked, through my taxes, to fund your healthcare because of your lifestyle.
That's not your choice to make. It's the balance struck in the bargain between a free society in the sense of individual rights and modern socialism that gives people some basic security. Many people's bad decisions are ultimately subsidized by others.
^yeah.. but ppl's bad decisions being subsidized by others is still wrong.. very wrong for the market.. individuals keeping their money are much more efficient at using it then a bureaucrat... the utility and velocity of money moves efficient period.
one of my degrees was in economics :smokin:
And letting people die is right?
Congrats. I'd hope then that you would understand mixed economic systems.
"letting people die is right"
-big economic fallacy - the free market has always been efficient from preventing that... I don't recall reading any news papers of people walking over bodies littered all over the streets in the 1800's because the government didn't have its hands in our pants groping out every dollar we have so a few cents of it could reach someone they want stuck in a lifestyle of government dependency.
Market efficiency and humanity are not always compatible.
You say the word "fallacy" and present quite the straw man. Nice work.
As for the paying for mistakes of others, we never know people's life stories, what others may or may not have done to them (abuse of various kinds, etc.) to drive them into unfortunate lifestyles. Are we to sit on a high horse and judge them for it? I think not, but that right is ours only if we have led perfect lives without ever doing anything or anyone wrong ever.
Since it's impossible to measure this in any way, I think I'll go with "subsidized by others"; we all live in our local communities and we all use them in one way or the other, some more and others less. Currently there is no accurate model to calculate the individual's equation (give and take, net take) and whether you like it or not, we take one - or several - for the team.
*palm to head*
there is a way to measure that, and there is an accurate model to calculate the "individual's equation" - its called the free market...
Why would you think the government would be effective at managing this? The only thing you share in socialism is poverty.. when people can spend their own money how they want the standard of living for everyone rises..0 -
You know, as a retired Veteran I resent that statement. Because if it wherent for the Department of Defense and all of us military past and present you whould have the rights you have today to say that mess.
You're assigning meaning to my words that just aren't true. My lack of support of the DoD is not a reflection of my feelings about our military, or my support of them as individuals.
Our military budget is three times that of the budget of the next country - and more than the next 8 countries COMBINED. And after all that money we are FAILING our veterans horribly. The money being spent is not going where it should (to the VA hospitals, to support the men and women coming home and experiencing PTSD, to help our military acclimate back into civilian life).
Am I really supposed to want to support an organization that rips lives apart and doesn't help put them back together? No, I won't.
That does not mean, however, that I do not support our troops, past and present.
I'm sorry if my words and opinions offend you, but but I take serious issue with how our vets are treated and how badly the DoD fails them.
Old habits die hard... that goes for both my response and how the DOD operates. I still work for the Department of the Navy, only as a civilian, as such I seem to have an undying loyalty. Despite how bad the Navy has injured me. I will never do what I was trained to do again. Not by choice but by medical hapinstance. It doesnt help that I dont look ill when people see me. That all asside, yes they could do a damn site better than they are now. But surprisingly, we veterans are rather patient and wait patiently for individuals like yourself to fix it. We did one job and now we wait for the rest of the US to meet us half way.0
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