MFP has changed
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My only wish is that I had any idea what you are talking about.
Keep on judging tho
Sorry. As much as you'd like to make it so, this thread isn't about you. Feel free to keep playing the victim, though.
If it's not about him why are you spending so spending so much time addressing him and insisting things aren't about him or his supposed desire to troll.
And people say reverse trolling doesn't exist
He went into the CFA thread with an agenda and derailed it the third post in. After that, the thread became all about his topic and not about the opening post. He was spoiling for a fight when he came here and, apparently, succeeded in becoming the victim. Oh well. Funny you'll let him get away with it and not people like the one who started the law school thread.
You sound angry. Are you angry? Would a cookie help?0 -
My only wish is that I had any idea what you are talking about.
Keep on judging tho
Sorry. As much as you'd like to make it so, this thread isn't about you. Feel free to keep playing the victim, though.
If it's not about him why are you spending so spending so much time addressing him and insisting things aren't about him or his supposed desire to troll.
And people say reverse trolling doesn't exist
He went into the CFA thread with an agenda and derailed it the third post in. After that, the thread became all about his topic and not about the opening post. He was spoiling for a fight when he came here and, apparently, succeeded in becoming the victim. Oh well. Funny you'll let him get away with it and not people like the one who started the law school thread.
Oh hay look. It's the angry lady again.0 -
My only wish is that I had any idea what you are talking about.
Keep on judging tho
Sorry. As much as you'd like to make it so, this thread isn't about you. Feel free to keep playing the victim, though.
If it's not about him why are you spending so spending so much time addressing him and insisting things aren't about him or his supposed desire to troll.
And people say reverse trolling doesn't exist
He went into the CFA thread with an agenda and derailed it the third post in. After that, the thread became all about his topic and not about the opening post. He was spoiling for a fight when he came here and, apparently, succeeded in becoming the victim. Oh well. Funny you'll let him get away with it and not people like the one who started the law school thread.
How did he derail the CFA thread? It was about how CFA was a 'better' fast food company as if printing junk on their bags gives them a moral high ground and he simply put the facts of what kind of company CFA is out there. I'm unsure of how something that is totally on topic could possibly be derailing.0 -
My only wish is that I had any idea what you are talking about.
Keep on judging tho
Sorry. As much as you'd like to make it so, this thread isn't about you. Feel free to keep playing the victim, though.
If it's not about him why are you spending so spending so much time addressing him and insisting things aren't about him or his supposed desire to troll.
And people say reverse trolling doesn't exist
I lolled.
Also amberglover has a nice
pair of jeans.
I have been told I have a well shaped caudal peduncle, but thanks for noticing. :blushing:0 -
[snip]have you ever thought that maybe that person isn't ready for your help or missed the message based on your delivery. Attacking them, insulting them or making fun of them doesn't help anyone. So if help is what you truly want to offer then recognize that some posters will be sensitive, insecure, uniformed or just not interested and tough love or brutal honesty may not be the best course of action for everyone.
The Master said to a monk, "At times my shout is like the precious sword of the Diamond King. At times my shout is like a golden-haired lion crouching on the ground. At times my shout is like the search pole and the shadow grass. At times my shout doesn't work like a shout at all. Do you understand?" The monk started to answer, whereupon the Master gave a shout.0 -
Well, here come the "helpful" people to derail the discussion again. It was nice while it lasted.
And yes, the CFA thread was about the helpful information that CFA was printing on the bags, not to do with the other poster's agenda. It's a shame, really, that there is so much justification of bad behavior here.0 -
Well, here come the "helpful" people to derail the discussion again. It was nice while it lasted.
And yes, the CFA thread was about the helpful information that CFA was printing on the bags, not to do with the other poster's agenda. It's a shame, really, that there is so much justification of bad behavior here.
Ah, heck, please keep posting about derailing the topic. I think it's helping keep everything right on topic.0 -
I have become more of a lurker on the main MFP forums in the last year or so because of the climate here. I have found the greatest motivation and support on this site to come from friends or groups. I have never understood the hostility and meanness, especially on something that is as difficult as weight loss. If it was so easy, none of us would even be on MFP. If life never got in the way, ex. law school, then weight loss and fitness would not be the billion dollar industry it is. It is hard to lose weight. It is hard to stay committed. It is hard to workout everyday when you have other obligations. It is hard to change unhealthy habits you have had your entire life. This is why support and motivation is important, because your post could be the difference between someone making a change in their life for the better or continuing on a bad path.
Of course it would be great if everyone had a thick skin and if tough love worked like a a magic pill, but that is not the reality. These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters who have made a habit of making others uncomfortable with their tough love.. But i say to those members, have you ever thought that maybe that person isn't ready for your help or missed the message based on your delivery. Attacking them, insulting them or making fun of them doesn't help anyone. So if help is what you truly want to offer then recognize that some posters will be sensitive, insecure, uniformed or just not interested and tough love or brutal honesty may not be the best course of action for everyone.
WHO?!? No, seriously, who in this thread is behaving in the forums in a way in which you disapprove? Cite an example. If it's me, use my post history if it helps. It's (admittedly stupidly) open for all the world to see. Years of posts...thousands upon thousands of them. If it is others to whom you're referring with the bolded comment, then please, give us an example.
Or is it as it so often seems to be the case an idea that you're raging against, and that "mean people" are a convenient scapegoat?
It's like the elusive toxins that are eliminated in a "cleanse" that otherwise wouldn't be eliminated while eating food. So many people are convinced there are, but when challenged, no one can provide the name of even one of them.
Are there people who misbehave on MFP? Absolutely. It would be naive to believe otherwise...but these claims such as "These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters..." seem to me to be nothing more than baseless accusations against a nameless group with which I suspect those raging against them have some kind of personal vendetta as their primary motivation.0 -
I agree! The bashers make me sick!!!!0
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I agree! The bashers make me sick!!!!
bashing bashers makes me bashful0 -
Well, here come the "helpful" people to derail the discussion again. It was nice while it lasted.
And yes, the CFA thread was about the helpful information that CFA was printing on the bags, not to do with the other poster's agenda. It's a shame, really, that there is so much justification of bad behavior here.
By "nice while it lasted", you mean, "was nice while I could hurl accusations at a particular MFP member without anyone countering"?
Yeah, I suspect that was relatively nice for you.0 -
Well, here come the "helpful" people to derail the discussion again. It was nice while it lasted.
And yes, the CFA thread was about the helpful information that CFA was printing on the bags, not to do with the other poster's agenda. It's a shame, really, that there is so much justification of bad behavior here.
No, it was about how CFA was somehow more worthy of praise than other companies because of what they printed on their bags. Making a rebuttal about what a supposedly 'better' company they are is hardly derailing or offtopic0 -
I agree! The bashers make me sick!!!!
"If you think about a time you were surprised by something – for example, a ball thrown at you unexpectedly – you probably extended your arms and caught it without thinking. Bankei referred to this as the Unborn Mind. This is the nonrational awareness that Zen helps us awaken. Frequently, students who were struck by Lin-chi’s stick discovered sudden enlightenment." Simple Zen: A Guide to Living Moment by Moment, C.A & A.M. Simpkins0 -
I guess the usual suspects have decided that it's time to derail the thread now? More's the pity. It might surprise all of you to learn the thread isn't about me, either.
Anyway, have fun. I'm going to do my exercises, feed my dogs, and go to bed. Try not to make too many angry faces, guys. I hear it promotes wrinkles.0 -
I guess the usual suspects have decided that it's time to derail the thread now? More's the pity. It might surprise all of you to learn the thread isn't about me, either.
Anyway, have fun. I'm going to do my exercises, feed my dogs, and go to bed. Try not to make too many angry faces, guys. I hear it promotes wrinkles.
I guess dogs don't get sarcasm either do they?0 -
Does this mean I can gif now without being offensive?
Oh wait, I don't care......
How this thread always goes.0 -
I guess the usual suspects have decided that it's time to derail the thread now? More's the pity. It might surprise all of you to learn the thread isn't about me, either.
Anyway, have fun. I'm going to do my exercises, feed my dogs, and go to bed. Try not to make too many angry faces, guys. I hear it promotes wrinkles.
I'm always amused by people who come off as angry accusing other people of being angry.0 -
I have become more of a lurker on the main MFP forums in the last year or so because of the climate here. I have found the greatest motivation and support on this site to come from friends or groups. I have never understood the hostility and meanness, especially on something that is as difficult as weight loss. If it was so easy, none of us would even be on MFP. If life never got in the way, ex. law school, then weight loss and fitness would not be the billion dollar industry it is. It is hard to lose weight. It is hard to stay committed. It is hard to workout everyday when you have other obligations. It is hard to change unhealthy habits you have had your entire life. This is why support and motivation is important, because your post could be the difference between someone making a change in their life for the better or continuing on a bad path.
Of course it would be great if everyone had a thick skin and if tough love worked like a a magic pill, but that is not the reality. These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters who have made a habit of making others uncomfortable with their tough love.. But i say to those members, have you ever thought that maybe that person isn't ready for your help or missed the message based on your delivery. Attacking them, insulting them or making fun of them doesn't help anyone. So if help is what you truly want to offer then recognize that some posters will be sensitive, insecure, uniformed or just not interested and tough love or brutal honesty may not be the best course of action for everyone.
WHO?!? No, seriously, who in this thread is behaving in the forums in a way in which you disapprove? Cite an example. If it's me, use my post history if it helps. It's (admittedly stupidly) open for all the world to see. Years of posts...thousands upon thousands of them. If it is others to whom you're referring with the bolded comment, then please, give us an example.
Or is it as it so often seems to be the case an idea that you're raging against, and that "mean people" are a convenient scapegoat?
It's like the elusive toxins that are eliminated in a "cleanse" that otherwise wouldn't be eliminated while eating food. So many people are convinced there are, but when challenged, no one can provide the name of even one of them.
Are there people who misbehave on MFP? Absolutely. It would be naive to believe otherwise...but these claims such as "These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters..." seem to me to be nothing more than baseless accusations against a nameless group with which I suspect those raging against them have some kind of personal vendetta as their primary motivation.
I have read this entire thread and you have posted numerous times. You have requested examples of your behavior in other threads. I am not familiar with you so I don't know what you do. No one can dispute that topics such as these are relatively common on MFP and have been around at least a weekly basis since I joined years ago. Clearly it is a problem. Chances are, if you can't acknowledge the problem exists, you are part of the problem. I post about the trials and tribulations of weight loss and none of that strikes a chord with you, just the part about posters making others uncomfortable. Perhaps you should remind yourself what made you decide to get on this fitness journey and all the setbacks you had along the way and pull from that the next time you want to offer advice to others. If am sure it will be better received and much more appreciated.0 -
I guess the usual suspects have decided that it's time to derail the thread now? More's the pity. It might surprise all of you to learn the thread isn't about me, either.
Anyway, have fun. I'm going to do my exercises, feed my dogs, and go to bed. Try not to make too many angry faces, guys. I hear it promotes wrinkles.
I'm always amused by people who come off as angry accusing other people of being angry.
Can we make angry faces at each other? Loser has to take a shot. K?0 -
I have become more of a lurker on the main MFP forums in the last year or so because of the climate here. I have found the greatest motivation and support on this site to come from friends or groups. I have never understood the hostility and meanness, especially on something that is as difficult as weight loss. If it was so easy, none of us would even be on MFP. If life never got in the way, ex. law school, then weight loss and fitness would not be the billion dollar industry it is. It is hard to lose weight. It is hard to stay committed. It is hard to workout everyday when you have other obligations. It is hard to change unhealthy habits you have had your entire life. This is why support and motivation is important, because your post could be the difference between someone making a change in their life for the better or continuing on a bad path.
Of course it would be great if everyone had a thick skin and if tough love worked like a a magic pill, but that is not the reality. These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters who have made a habit of making others uncomfortable with their tough love.. But i say to those members, have you ever thought that maybe that person isn't ready for your help or missed the message based on your delivery. Attacking them, insulting them or making fun of them doesn't help anyone. So if help is what you truly want to offer then recognize that some posters will be sensitive, insecure, uniformed or just not interested and tough love or brutal honesty may not be the best course of action for everyone.
WHO?!? No, seriously, who in this thread is behaving in the forums in a way in which you disapprove? Cite an example. If it's me, use my post history if it helps. It's (admittedly stupidly) open for all the world to see. Years of posts...thousands upon thousands of them. If it is others to whom you're referring with the bolded comment, then please, give us an example.
Or is it as it so often seems to be the case an idea that you're raging against, and that "mean people" are a convenient scapegoat?
It's like the elusive toxins that are eliminated in a "cleanse" that otherwise wouldn't be eliminated while eating food. So many people are convinced there are, but when challenged, no one can provide the name of even one of them.
Are there people who misbehave on MFP? Absolutely. It would be naive to believe otherwise...but these claims such as "These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters..." seem to me to be nothing more than baseless accusations against a nameless group with which I suspect those raging against them have some kind of personal vendetta as their primary motivation.
I have read this entire thread and you have posted numerous times. You have requested examples of your behavior in other threads. I am not familiar with you so I don't know what you do. No one can dispute that topics such as these are relatively common on MFP and have been around at least a weekly basis since I joined years ago. Clearly it is a problem. Chances are, if you can't acknowledge the problem exists, you are part of the problem. I post about the trials and tribulations of weight loss and none of that strikes a chord with you, just the part about posters making others uncomfortable. Perhaps you should remind yourself what made you decide to get on this fitness journey and all the setbacks you had along the way and pull from that the next time you want to offer advice to others. If am sure it will be better received and much more appreciated.
I hear it's because he wanted to be less skinny and thus his journey doesn't count anyway.0 -
I guess the usual suspects have decided that it's time to derail the thread now? More's the pity. It might surprise all of you to learn the thread isn't about me, either.
Anyway, have fun. I'm going to do my exercises, feed my dogs, and go to bed. Try not to make too many angry faces, guys. I hear it promotes wrinkles.
Derailed a thread about complaining about people on MFP by complaining about people on MFP, and you're trying to get things back on track by complaining about people. Check.
A monk asked, "What is the basic meaning of Buddhism?" The Master gave a shout. The monk bowed low. The Master said, "This fine monk is the kind who's worth talking to!"0 -
lol
Everyone is entitled to their feelings and this topic can be debated all day and night but in the end it is what it is.
Some think some are meanies that mask it by saying they are being blunt, straight forward, etc...
Some think they are being blunt, straight forward and not rude.
Matter of perception.
I personally do think that there are people on here that are rude and condescending that some may think are just being blunt, straight forward or whatever y'all want to call it. But that is my perception and no one can steer me away from that. That is why I won't debate it if someone tries to quote this because frankly I do not have the desire to answer to anyone. lol
So again, everyone has their feelings and opinions based on their belief systems, life, experiences, etc and they have that right to believe and think what they dang near please.
Whether my views or perception of a person online is right or wrong it doesn't matter because in the grand scheme of things I only matter in my world and I do not know any of you. lol
I hope everyone has a lovely evening or day though.
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I have become more of a lurker on the main MFP forums in the last year or so because of the climate here. I have found the greatest motivation and support on this site to come from friends or groups. I have never understood the hostility and meanness, especially on something that is as difficult as weight loss. If it was so easy, none of us would even be on MFP. If life never got in the way, ex. law school, then weight loss and fitness would not be the billion dollar industry it is. It is hard to lose weight. It is hard to stay committed. It is hard to workout everyday when you have other obligations. It is hard to change unhealthy habits you have had your entire life. This is why support and motivation is important, because your post could be the difference between someone making a change in their life for the better or continuing on a bad path.
Of course it would be great if everyone had a thick skin and if tough love worked like a a magic pill, but that is not the reality. These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters who have made a habit of making others uncomfortable with their tough love.. But i say to those members, have you ever thought that maybe that person isn't ready for your help or missed the message based on your delivery. Attacking them, insulting them or making fun of them doesn't help anyone. So if help is what you truly want to offer then recognize that some posters will be sensitive, insecure, uniformed or just not interested and tough love or brutal honesty may not be the best course of action for everyone.
WHO?!? No, seriously, who in this thread is behaving in the forums in a way in which you disapprove? Cite an example. If it's me, use my post history if it helps. It's (admittedly stupidly) open for all the world to see. Years of posts...thousands upon thousands of them. If it is others to whom you're referring with the bolded comment, then please, give us an example.
Or is it as it so often seems to be the case an idea that you're raging against, and that "mean people" are a convenient scapegoat?
It's like the elusive toxins that are eliminated in a "cleanse" that otherwise wouldn't be eliminated while eating food. So many people are convinced there are, but when challenged, no one can provide the name of even one of them.
Are there people who misbehave on MFP? Absolutely. It would be naive to believe otherwise...but these claims such as "These topics are common and they tend to bring out many of the posters..." seem to me to be nothing more than baseless accusations against a nameless group with which I suspect those raging against them have some kind of personal vendetta as their primary motivation.
I have read this entire thread and you have posted numerous times. You have requested examples of your behavior in other threads. I am not familiar with you so I don't know what you do. No one can dispute that topics such as these are relatively common on MFP and have been around at least a weekly basis since I joined years ago. Clearly it is a problem. Chances are, if you can't acknowledge the problem exists, you are part of the problem. I post about the trials and tribulations of weight loss and none of that strikes a chord with you, just the part about posters making others uncomfortable. Perhaps you should remind yourself what made you decide to get on this fitness journey and all the setbacks you had along the way and pull from that the next time you want to offer advice to others. If am sure it will be better received and much more appreciated.
I've requested examples of *anyone's* behavior, not just my own. I'm offering my own posting history to try to make it easier for those hurling insults at the undefined "mean people" group to provide some bases for their claims.
You're not familiar with me in the forums, and yet you know what is wrong with how I post in the forums? And you have advice on ways I can improve on it? How do you know what impact I've had on others here? I mean, I know based on the numerous PMs I receive, but how do *you* know anything about it???
And you're completely unfamiliar with me yet you have assumptions about my "fitness journey"? Do you assume that everyone here is like you, thinks like you, has had similar experiences as you? How very presumptuous of you.0 -
I still think this place is:
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It's an Internet phenomenon. People spread their hate anonymously behind the safety of their monitor. At least the problem isn't as rampant as on YouTube. Every single comment left there is guaranteed troll responses.
Anyway, I hardly ever use the forums. I use all the other MFP features, though.0 -
People are much nastier on the internet than they are in real life, and many were not taught to disagree tactfully and kindly. Sadly there's not much we can do. I mostly avoid the forums for this reason.
Actually nasty people on the internet suffer from dark triad in real life too.0 -
Whether my views or perception of a person online is right or wrong it doesn't matter because in the grand scheme of things I only matter in my world and I do not know any of you. lol
Completely valid. Choose to perceive things as helpful rather than harmful. Find the help in them and be helped. Find the harm in them and be harmed.0 -
I'll just leave this here....
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It's an Internet phenomenon. People spread their hate anonymously behind the safety of their monitor. At least the problem isn't as rampant as on YouTube. Every single comment left there is guaranteed troll responses.
Anyway, I hardly ever use the forums. I use all the other MFP features, though.
Having encountered people from MFP in real life I can say, with no small amount of pride, that I'm the same person IRL as I am on the forums, at least as far as I've been told.
I don't get any nicer than my forum 'personality'.0 -
It's being pointed out before but bears repeating.
Everything single person complaining about rudeness or un supportiveness has been here a number of years and have very few posts. I have never seen a single one of them giving advice, information, support. Never helped out a newbie. Just pop up occasionally to moan about meanies.
Now the ones who are getting accused have thousands of posts. I see them every day giving fitness tips, advice on getting started, moral support, encouraging comments. Again and again, same people. For free. Because they want to help people.
If MFP has changed well then good0
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