High carb vegan diet

I just had dessert for breakfast. I will have another 1000 calorie dessert for lunch. I am getting lean by eating all the fruit I care for. Good riddance to calorie restriction (and subsequent cravings!! eek!) Look up Dr. Doug Graham, he has done this since 1978. He's not the only one but a prime example.

The way the original post was worded may seem off putting to some people, but it is scientifically shown that a whole food plant based diet is the healthiest way to eat. To see that information, read The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, PhD which is the largest sixty on nutrition and health ever done. If you don't want to have to read through all the details, the video Forks Over Knives is a condensed and more entertaining source of some of the information.

Because whole food plant based is the healthiest way eat, you will naturally reach a healthy weight without having to count calories or make sure you're getting enough of everything. I say whole food plant based because not all vegan food is healthy food. There's alot of processed vegan junk food out there. The vegan meat replacements out there are also junk food, though they are better for you than animal protein. You need to make sure you're eating real food such as all the different colors of fruits and vegetables, lots of leafy greens,whole grains and pseudo-grains (such as quinoa and buckwheat ), legumes, nuts and seeds (chia and hemp seeds are really good for you, too).

Eating this way allows you to eat as much as you want because you get full before you can overeat. The food is full of the nutrients you need so your body isn't telling you that you need to eat more to get the nutrients it needs. The food also has more volume and fiber so your stomach is actually full and you stop when you need to.

When you eat whole plant foods, you will get everything you need as long as you're eating enough calories and eating enough varietyvariety. The FDA nutrition guidelines are not completely scientifically sound and are somewhat arbitrary. You need half the amount of protein as recommended and you get plenty of it in plants. You don't need to resort to protein supplements unless you want to use one as a post-workout recovery. You get plenty of calcium that is actually better for you than dairy. You get your healthy days with no cholesterol from nuts and seeds, coconut (it's saturated fat, but your body processes it differently and it's good for you), avocados, and other plants, too. You don't need to take supplements, with a few exceptions. You may need to take a Vitamin D supplement if you're not getting getting about 15 minutes of sunlight every couple days. You will also need to take a B-12 supplement to avoid pernicious anemia. We used to be able to get B-12 when eating plasma, but the soil has been largely depleted and we super wash all our fruits and vegetables.

I switched to a whole food plant based diet in 2011 after researching cancer prevention. There were a lot of references to The China Study so I decided to read it for myself. It showed that no matter how much of a carcinogen we're exposed to, the actual growth of cancer could be controlled with the amount of animal protein consumed. Cancer can be reversed by eliminating animal protein, especially dairy. The casein in dairy actually feeds cancer more than any other animal protein.

I was overweight and miserable, but quickly lost 70 pounds after switching to a whole food plant based diet and never felt better. I haven't even had so much as a cold in the 3 years since then.

This past year I've been really busy with school, work, homework, and building a business. I stopped preparing my own meals and stayed eating more and more processed prepared meals. The meals were vegan, but they weren't whole food. They had a lot of extra unnecessary ingredients and added fats, sugars, sodium, etc. I've gained quite a bit of weight back, but am losing it quickly again after switching back to making my own whole food meals.

I joined MFP after joining a biggest loser group, but quit logging my food after a few days because I don't need to so it's a pain to go through unnecessary work. I just use MFP to track my weight loss. The winner of the biggest loser gets to donate the money we all anted in to a charity of his or her choice. I'm thinking about dropping out of the group in order to allow someone else to be the winner so they have that victory and are motivated to keep going. Other people are telling me to stay so that I can be the motivation to someone else and help them out, and it's not like I'm taking the money from them because it's going to a charity either way. There are lots of ways to lose weight, but I do feel that whole food plant based is the healthiest way to do it. What do other people think? Would someone else be more motivated by winning themselves or by learning how I did it? I'm not being arrogant in assuming I'll win, I'm way ahead of everyone else in the group and most of them really struggle with food. They also know I eat a vegan diet, just not all the details of why I say it's the healthiest way of eating.

There's so much more I could say, but I'll leave it at that for now.

Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:

Why would you assume that a meat eaters diet isn't as tasty or abundant as your diet?

^^^ this

and also, addressing the original person quoted above... why assume that us meat eaters have never been vegan?

I can assure you that my diet now is much more abundant than a vegan diet. Why? Because I still eat lots of really delicious vegan foods, only I eat meat, eggs and dairy too. In fact, tofu goes really really well with mutton mince in curry, and, well, in curry generally. And lots of other vegan staples. The only vegan recipes I don't use any more are the ones that were trying too hard to be something that they're not, i.e. the imitation eggs, dairy and meat recipes. That's gone from my diet (replaced by the real thing). But true vegan food, as in all the tasty vegetable dishes, remain.

You can get all the health benefits of a vegan diet - and enjoy all the taste benefits too - by including a wide range of different plant foods while also eating meat. You get the best of both, as in all the micronutrients and fibre of a vegan diet, plus the abundant supply of iron, amino acids and essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins of animal products. Because humans are omnivores, and that means enjoying meat *and* veggies to the max.

Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?

Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.

This is so completely wrong. I worked at a vets office for years, and there are many overweight pets. Heck, my pets are overweight. My dogs will indeed eat as much as they could if I gave it to them, but they would gain weight.

The way the original post was worded may seem off putting to some people, but it is scientifically shown that a whole food plant based diet is the healthiest way to eat. To see that information, read The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, PhD which is the largest sixty on nutrition and health ever done. If you don't want to have to read through all the details, the video Forks Over Knives is a condensed and more entertaining source of some of the information.

The china study has been completely debunked I'm afraid and as for forks over knives :noway:

Feel free to quote some actually peer reviewed sources and studies instead of cherry-picking books and documentaries that have a strong bias.

Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:

I would recommend "The Starch Solution" by Dr. John McDougall, "80/10/10" by Dr. Doug Graham, "Engine 2 Diet" by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, "Get Healthy Go Vegan" by Dr. Neal Barnard ...yes, THIS IS proven and explained by science, and it works long term. All these doctors are lean and fit. Try and find a lean and fit doctor that promotes carb restriction.

What an incredibly juvenile thing to say.

I eat a meat free diet, the only dairy I have is whey protein after exercise. I have found it a useful diet to follow as I try to eat a large proportion of whole foods. Cheese was always something I over ate, I don't like meat. I find that my options can be limited and as such I tend to be conscious of what I eat and make sensible choices. I eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains, soy, nuts ,beans etc I watch my fat intake and I don't cook with oil but I do eat nuts, so get healthy fat..I have had some good results in terms of weight loss and improved health. I no longer suffer from reflux and digestive problems, my skin is better and most importantly my blood sugar is much better controlled. It isn't for everybody. This is purely my experience of this type of eating.

what is your primary source of protein? do you consume all the essential amino acids required by us.

The 10 amino acids that humans can produce are alanine, asparagine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, proline, serine and tyrosine. Tyrosine is produced from phenylalanine, so if the diet is deficient in phenylalanine, tyrosine will be required as well. The essential amino acids are arginine (required for the young, but not for adults), histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. These amino acids are required in the diet.

If you only do vegan, no wonder you have to eat 4000 cals a day as you must have to complement a lot of foods to make up for the nutrition. Plus you would have to take supplements high in iron as iron from plant sources is not very well absorbed by human body.

As far as care for the animals is concerned, what about the care for the plants. So if all started eating like you are doing (4000 cals/day) or more, then there would not be enough plants to feed the vegan brigade. Plus, dont you know that even plants feel pain as has been proven in various lab experiments. So just because they are mute and cant move, its ok for you to eat their raw limbs aka raw veggies?!

Therefore, do yourself a favour, stop preaching, live and let live

No study has ever shown that plants can "feel" pain. While they can respond to stimuli, they lack a central nervous system and brain in order to "feel" anything.

sorta old thread is old.

I lost a lot of weight when i went raw/vegan. Then my doctor said I wasn't very good at it. She said (1) she could prescribe me fancy supplements and pills.

Or (2) I could eat meat a couple times a week.

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