Judging people and their weight

The guy who requested to be blocked has been.

Medications do cause people to lose weight and gain weight.

It does seem that people who lose weight because of the drugs aren't told, "You're so skinny! You should just eat more! Chemo [or other type of drug] is no excuse! The drugs might take away your appetite, but it's your fault that you don't eat enough! Your skinniness is your fault!"

If they gained because of drugs, though, it's an easy way for bitter and mean people to name-call and feel oh-so-justified in doing it. Big, fat bullies, sitting behind their key boards. Imagine them going into a bar and saying that stuff to actual tough guys, lol. No chance! They go on the Internet and make fun of sick, recovering or recovered people.

If you are one of those people, know that others are on to the fact that you're just doing the wimpiest of bullying. And that you are, generally, unhappy and are trying to take out on others (which will never make you feel better.)

The only name calling I am seeing is from you. And I am actually much nicer online than I am in person only because I have a backspace key.

Obviously there are people who do choose to be fat. Saying there isn't anyone like that is as ridiculous as saying EVERY fat person is like that. But I think it's an irrelevant point. Even if someone did consciously choose to get fat, they still deserve the same respect, right to be proud of their body, and access to healthcare as anyone else. It makes no difference whatsoever. Someone who gained weight because of comfort eating due to childhood abuse, for example, isn't a "better" fatty than someone who just likes cake too much. They're both people.

I agree with this, but to go back to the original post, I don't think that's what the topic is about.

Saying that someone (including yourself) chose to get fat--by which I mean you made and are making the decisions that lead to that person's current weight--which is what I think the doctor "quote" was saying, simply means that one is not helpless or fated to be fat, but could choose not to be, by making other decisions.

I don't see that as about blaming. I see it as about empowering.

I don't think it's fair to say people "want" to be fat. No one really "wants" to be fat. People do however "choose" to be fat. I agree with all the issue you stated that can lead to becoming overweight but it is the individual's choice to allow those issues to dictate what they eat. All of those issues can be handled in ways other than eating. It is in our choices that we define ourselves.

This. I never wanted to be fat, but I was fat due to my choice to eat too much. Food was my medication from childhood well into adulthood. I still don't want to be fat, and I'm not because I decided to stop eating so much.

No. I'm not talking about bloat or water retention. I'm talking about the people saying they got "fat" because the medication directly cause then to not be able to burn fat while in a caloric deficit.

And I'm not asking for a group of stuff like "steroids". Bring actual answers. Please list the medication.

People gain weight when taking prednisone long-term. It isn't all water weight. They are generally too sick to exercise.

There are even drugs designed to make people gain weight by actively increasing the appetite. They don't always overcome the inability to eat, but they exist.

Some drugs cause weight gain in some people and not others.

If you just want to be right and pass judgment in a mean way, just do that. You don't actually need people to fight with you. Just do it!

I hope you have a better day.

I was on a very high daily dose of steroids for the first 9 months I was losing weight. Did my appetite increase YES, did I have to make sure to watch for trends in my weight loss so I could adjust my calorie consumption for this YES. But did this stop me from losing weight no.

I used the prednisone as an excuse for my weight gain for the previous year - but it was my choice not to control my eating. Yes there was some bloating and water weight but it just meant there were some bigger fluctuations.

Have you taken all the drugs that cause weight gain? And did you lose while taking all of them?

Bully for you.

Not everyone is so lucky.

People do have experiences that aren't the same as yours because they aren't you.

People do lose and gain weight due to medications. Be humble enough to admit that you don't know everything and compassionate enough to not beat up on them, even if you couldn't care less about anyone else's problems.

When I started I was on 14 different prescriptions. I couldn't exercise wasn't allowed to stand for more than 5 minutes at a time. Was I lucky? No I stopped blaming medications, my inability to exercise and whatever else and finally decided that if I monitor my intake and find the calorie deficit that worked for me I could lose weight.

Now I'm a bully because I shared my experience .. why because it questions your excuses???? Fine then I'm a bully. But don't tell me it's not possible I started losing weight and getting serious about my health the day I got out of the hospital so I understand medical conditions, I have compassion for those that are willing to try. But stop with the excuses

I never gained weight due to medications, hon. Never said I did.

I just know that people gain and lose weight because of drugs they take and I have enough compassion for them to not only NOT be mean (even behind my keyboard, where I can get away with it), but I actually feel badly for them.

I kind of feel badly for unhappy people like you, but the attempt to spread your misery by spewing cruel things is just a little too much sometimes.

There is no good reason for being that mean. It won't help them and...it won't help you.

I'm unhappy?? Really? I might be a little cranky today I'm kind of tired but no other than that I'm pretty happy thanks for the concern.

How is stating that you can lose weight on prednisone which was the drug you used as your example that is why i quoted your comment. I gave my real life experience because the only luck that I had was finding people that explained to me that it was a calorie deficit required no matter what medicine I was on that would make me lose weight.

I don't know what weight you've lost, gained or whatever since you have your profile hidden you don't share your experience and I can really care less.

But I will share what I learned and experienced because there may be someone who was where I was and they can lose weight. So if helping someone else is mean then I'll stick with mean any day.

No. I'm not talking about bloat or water retention. I'm talking about the people saying they got "fat" because the medication directly cause then to not be able to burn fat while in a caloric deficit.

And I'm not asking for a group of stuff like "steroids". Bring actual answers. Please list the medication.

People gain weight when taking prednisone long-term. It isn't all water weight. They are generally too sick to exercise.

There are even drugs designed to make people gain weight by actively increasing the appetite. They don't always overcome the inability to eat, but they exist.

Some drugs cause weight gain in some people and not others.

If you just want to be right and pass judgment in a mean way, just do that. You don't actually need people to fight with you. Just do it!

I hope you have a better day.

I was on a very high daily dose of steroids for the first 9 months I was losing weight. Did my appetite increase YES, did I have to make sure to watch for trends in my weight loss so I could adjust my calorie consumption for this YES. But did this stop me from losing weight no.

I used the prednisone as an excuse for my weight gain for the previous year - but it was my choice not to control my eating. Yes there was some bloating and water weight but it just meant there were some bigger fluctuations.

Have you taken all the drugs that cause weight gain? And did you lose while taking all of them?

Bully for you.

Not everyone is so lucky.

People do have experiences that aren't the same as yours because they aren't you.

People do lose and gain weight due to medications. Be humble enough to admit that you don't know everything and compassionate enough to not beat up on them, even if you couldn't care less about anyone else's problems.

So what are the list of medications that cause people to gain actual weight and not just increase appetite? Did someone post that yet?

One was named. Depakote is another.

Why not ask about meds that make people lose weight?

Don't you want to pick on people who are wasting away, too?

Or do you just want to pick on fat people?

Acttually Depakote does not cause weight gain itself...it changes appetite.

Common Depakote side effects may include:
•
mild nausea or vomiting, mild stomach pain, diarrhea;

•
headache, mild dizziness, weakness, tremors;

•
problems with balance or walking;

•
blurred vision, double vision; or

•
changes in appetite, weight gain.

ETA: meds don't cause weight loss either...and if someone was in here claiming VLCD are the way to go get told right where to go very quickly...people with ED's are given direction to seek help .

Then why not blame the skinny people who really didn't need to lose the weight?

You can't say you've never heard of people losing weight because of chemo. Why not go tell them it's their fault and they could gain if they stopped with the excuses?

No. I'm not talking about bloat or water retention. I'm talking about the people saying they got "fat" because the medication directly cause then to not be able to burn fat while in a caloric deficit.

And I'm not asking for a group of stuff like "steroids". Bring actual answers. Please list the medication.

People gain weight when taking prednisone long-term. It isn't all water weight. They are generally too sick to exercise.

There are even drugs designed to make people gain weight by actively increasing the appetite. They don't always overcome the inability to eat, but they exist.

Some drugs cause weight gain in some people and not others.

If you just want to be right and pass judgment in a mean way, just do that. You don't actually need people to fight with you. Just do it!

I hope you have a better day.

I was on a very high daily dose of steroids for the first 9 months I was losing weight. Did my appetite increase YES, did I have to make sure to watch for trends in my weight loss so I could adjust my calorie consumption for this YES. But did this stop me from losing weight no.

I used the prednisone as an excuse for my weight gain for the previous year - but it was my choice not to control my eating. Yes there was some bloating and water weight but it just meant there were some bigger fluctuations.

Have you taken all the drugs that cause weight gain? And did you lose while taking all of them?

Bully for you.

Not everyone is so lucky.

People do have experiences that aren't the same as yours because they aren't you.

People do lose and gain weight due to medications. Be humble enough to admit that you don't know everything and compassionate enough to not beat up on them, even if you couldn't care less about anyone else's problems.

So what are the list of medications that cause people to gain actual weight and not just increase appetite? Did someone post that yet?

none have been listed yet..except "steroids" and that was shot down as it doesn't cause weight gain but "bloat" and is generic word for a group of meds...nothing specific yet.

Actually, prednisone was listed.

And while someone denied that it causes weight gain, that doesn't make it true.

Still wondering why nobody wants the names of drugs that cause people to lose weight!

Why not pick on those who went from normal to skinny, too?

again prednisone side effect is to increase appetite which causes weight gain...maths makes that true.

YOu named one that causes weight loss Chemo which was proven non factual as well...

So if you can name an acutal drug that affects weight due to the meds itself not appetite changes go ahead.

Bunch of unhappy Internet bullies trying to take your misery out on other people. You found a way that is, to some, acceptable.

But you're still what you are. Picking on people who gained due to drugs is no better than picking on people who lost due to drugs. You get away with it a little more, but you're still what you are.

What have you done? Have you helped anyone other than post nonsense and call people bullies?

No. I'm not talking about bloat or water retention. I'm talking about the people saying they got "fat" because the medication directly cause then to not be able to burn fat while in a caloric deficit.

And I'm not asking for a group of stuff like "steroids". Bring actual answers. Please list the medication.

People gain weight when taking prednisone long-term. It isn't all water weight. They are generally too sick to exercise.

There are even drugs designed to make people gain weight by actively increasing the appetite. They don't always overcome the inability to eat, but they exist.

Some drugs cause weight gain in some people and not others.

If you just want to be right and pass judgment in a mean way, just do that. You don't actually need people to fight with you. Just do it!

I hope you have a better day.

I was on a very high daily dose of steroids for the first 9 months I was losing weight. Did my appetite increase YES, did I have to make sure to watch for trends in my weight loss so I could adjust my calorie consumption for this YES. But did this stop me from losing weight no.

I used the prednisone as an excuse for my weight gain for the previous year - but it was my choice not to control my eating. Yes there was some bloating and water weight but it just meant there were some bigger fluctuations.

Have you taken all the drugs that cause weight gain? And did you lose while taking all of them?

Bully for you.

Not everyone is so lucky.

People do have experiences that aren't the same as yours because they aren't you.

People do lose and gain weight due to medications. Be humble enough to admit that you don't know everything and compassionate enough to not beat up on them, even if you couldn't care less about anyone else's problems.

So what are the list of medications that cause people to gain actual weight and not just increase appetite? Did someone post that yet?

One was named. Depakote is another.

Why not ask about meds that make people lose weight?

Don't you want to pick on people who are wasting away, too?

Or do you just want to pick on fat people?

Acttually Depakote does not cause weight gain itself...it changes appetite.

Common Depakote side effects may include:
•
mild nausea or vomiting, mild stomach pain, diarrhea;

•
headache, mild dizziness, weakness, tremors;

•
problems with balance or walking;

•
blurred vision, double vision; or

•
changes in appetite, weight gain.

ETA: meds don't cause weight loss either...and if someone was in here claiming VLCD are the way to go get told right where to go very quickly...people with ED's are given direction to seek help .

Then why not blame the skinny people who really didn't need to lose the weight?

You can't say you've never heard of people losing weight because of chemo. Why not go tell them it's their fault and they could gain if they stopped with the excuses?

If someone refused to do what was needed done and lost too much weight from chemo I would...people lose weight due to chemo effects all the time...it makes them vomit and changes appetite...but again that can be helped with weed which is prescribed often in Canada for that reason.

Excuses are just that...excuses and when there is an alternative course and that person refuses to take it ...it's all on them isn't it and their "excuse" is no longer valid and I don't want to hear it.

Your parents must be so proud.

I agree that yes, we choose to make bad decisions, but I also feel that a lot of obese people don't understand how mental their problem is. They feel like something is wrong with them and that they can't ever overcome it. It isn't until they realize that their weight gain comes from other issues than the obvious physical ones like overeating and being inactive that they change. Once you understand that bad habits come from coping with emotional issues, you are able to make changes and cope in other ways. There are so many people who have never had do deal with being overweight who don't understand the real issue, doctors included.

One was named. Depakote is another.

Why not ask about meds that make people lose weight?

Don't you want to pick on people who are wasting away, too?

Or do you just want to pick on fat people?

Acttually Depakote does not cause weight gain itself...it changes appetite.

Common Depakote side effects may include:
•
mild nausea or vomiting, mild stomach pain, diarrhea;

•
headache, mild dizziness, weakness, tremors;

•
problems with balance or walking;

•
blurred vision, double vision; or

•
changes in appetite, weight gain.

ETA: meds don't cause weight loss either...and if someone was in here claiming VLCD are the way to go get told right where to go very quickly...people with ED's are given direction to seek help .

Then why not blame the skinny people who really didn't need to lose the weight?

You can't say you've never heard of people losing weight because of chemo. Why not go tell them it's their fault and they could gain if they stopped with the excuses?

If someone refused to do what was needed done and lost too much weight from chemo I would...people lose weight due to chemo effects all the time...it makes them vomit and changes appetite...but again that can be helped with weed which is prescribed often in Canada for that reason.

Excuses are just that...excuses and when there is an alternative course and that person refuses to take it ...it's all on them isn't it and their "excuse" is no longer valid and I don't want to hear it.

Your parents must be so proud.

They are..they raised me to use common sense and logic to dictate my path in life which I have. If you have a way to fix it...fix it if you choose not to use that avenue...suck it up buttercup...

btw I would say this irl....

However I see you haven't been able to come up with any real meds that cause weight loss or gain....without one of the side effects being "change in appetite"....

I've only read some of the thread, but I think it would be helpful to clarify some things.

Having different degrees of suseptibility to the elements that influence weight gain (such as depression, taking of some medications, etc...) has nothing to do with whether or not you ultimately have a choice.

Due to scarcity, life is full of tradeoffs. For example, eating a piece of cake vs. exercising X amount of time. Now, due to various factors, you may be prompted more in one direction or the other compared to other people, but the choice is still yours. You just make a tradeoff. That's it. Now, you may have to have more "willpower" to make a certain choice than most people (for example, if you are extremely depressed), but it is still a choice.

That being said, I don't think it's entirely correct to say the person chooses "to be fat", especially since the link between unhealthy behaviors and weight is not always manifested clearly in the mind of the person at the time. If a person eats a piece of cake to (for a moment) counteract feelings of sadness, I doubt very much the tradeoff is seen as "Be happy for a few minutes and gain more weight vs. continue to be sad and not take in X weight".

As far as different people being suseptible to weight gains in different ways, I think everyone in life has a "cross to bear" on some aspect of life in this way. For me, it is reasonably hard to be in large group settings, because I am an extreme introvert (not shy, but an introvert) and find it exhausting. It is much more difficult for me to motivate myself enough to go to a large group activity than it would be an extreme extrovert...but it is still ultimately my choice to make the tradeoff (trading the obtainment of social activity for a major loss in energy vs. keeping that energy but missing the social activity) that leads to me going to a large social event or not.

My two cents.

No. I'm not talking about bloat or water retention. I'm talking about the people saying they got "fat" because the medication directly cause then to not be able to burn fat while in a caloric deficit.

And I'm not asking for a group of stuff like "steroids". Bring actual answers. Please list the medication.

People gain weight when taking prednisone long-term. It isn't all water weight. They are generally too sick to exercise.

There are even drugs designed to make people gain weight by actively increasing the appetite. They don't always overcome the inability to eat, but they exist.

Some drugs cause weight gain in some people and not others.

If you just want to be right and pass judgment in a mean way, just do that. You don't actually need people to fight with you. Just do it!

I hope you have a better day.

I was on a very high daily dose of steroids for the first 9 months I was losing weight. Did my appetite increase YES, did I have to make sure to watch for trends in my weight loss so I could adjust my calorie consumption for this YES. But did this stop me from losing weight no.

I used the prednisone as an excuse for my weight gain for the previous year - but it was my choice not to control my eating. Yes there was some bloating and water weight but it just meant there were some bigger fluctuations.

Have you taken all the drugs that cause weight gain? And did you lose while taking all of them?

Bully for you.

Not everyone is so lucky.

People do have experiences that aren't the same as yours because they aren't you.

People do lose and gain weight due to medications. Be humble enough to admit that you don't know everything and compassionate enough to not beat up on them, even if you couldn't care less about anyone else's problems.

So what are the list of medications that cause people to gain actual weight and not just increase appetite? Did someone post that yet?

One was named. Depakote is another.

Why not ask about meds that make people lose weight?

Don't you want to pick on people who are wasting away, too?

Or do you just want to pick on fat people?

Acttually Depakote does not cause weight gain itself...it changes appetite.

Common Depakote side effects may include:
•
mild nausea or vomiting, mild stomach pain, diarrhea;

•
headache, mild dizziness, weakness, tremors;

•
problems with balance or walking;

•
blurred vision, double vision; or

•
changes in appetite, weight gain.

ETA: meds don't cause weight loss either...and if someone was in here claiming VLCD are the way to go get told right where to go very quickly...people with ED's are given direction to seek help .

Then why not blame the skinny people who really didn't need to lose the weight?

You can't say you've never heard of people losing weight because of chemo. Why not go tell them it's their fault and they could gain if they stopped with the excuses?

At a guess, because radiation, chemo, and some other drugs can cause uncontrolled vomiting that prevents the patient from eating voluntarily no matter how hard they try. Those people usually go on feeding tubes or are fed through I.V. They're doing what their doc deems necessary to deal with their weight. These people also frequently have problems digesting the food, so even if a great deal is being force-fed, they just can't process enough to gain weight.

I don't know of any drug that shoves food down someone's throat and makes them swallow it.

The two situations are not really analogous.

I don't mean to sound cold-hearted here, but:

Unless somebody is holding a gun to your head, MOST OF THE TIME, we make the choices to overeat and not exercise because that's what we want to do. Yeah, we don't like the consequences, but the fact is they are usually the result of our own choices.

Exactly!

Bunch of unhappy Internet bullies trying to take your misery out on other people. You found a way that is, to some, acceptable.

But you're still what you are. Picking on people who gained due to drugs is no better than picking on people who lost due to drugs. You get away with it a little more, but you're still what you are.

I'm also going to add, that I am very happy when I first started in Jan of 2013 I found people like MrM and Stef that said things like even though you are on steroids and whatever else, can't exercise you can still lose weight you just need to find your deficit. And not people like you who say oh you're on medications you can't they make you gain weight.. the outcome for me would have been much different.

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