Does the term "cutting" bother you?
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Defatting.
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emily_stew wrote: »It's all about context. So, no.
When I first joined I kept getting alarmed at seeing posts about juicing..I thought people were talking about steroid use. Turns out they're talking about a juice diet, although that's still cause for alarm.
Juicing shouldnt cause you alarm. Its quite practical.0 -
sweetdixie92 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
But once you're in the community, don't you pick up the jargon? I didn't ever apply the concept of "deficit" to the concept of calories before coming here, even though I had lost 20 pounds.
As someone who self-harmed as a teenager and has struggled with depression, after I learned this use of the term, it did not bother me at all. "To cut" is probably one of the more common phrases in our language. One negative usage can't ruin all of the myriad other applications.
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It's as simple as learning to read in context. The term "cutting" for eliminating calories is not an MFP community term only. I see it often from weight lifters.
By the way, I'm going to a rodeo tomorrow and will be cutting cattle...I'll leave that to your imagination since it only has a negative meaning apparently
Cutting calories vs cutting.
Cutting cattle vs cutting.
Cutting costs vs cutting.
Cutting paper vs cutting.
Cutting teeth vs cutting.
Leave out the object and what does the term mean?
Leave out the object and it simply means cutting. That doesn't mean cutting your arms. So you're associating the word with that, when using the word "cutting" in general meant other things way before it was largely referred to as self-harm.
Context can also include the general area or place you use these terms. On MFP, we're (in general) talking about weight or calories. If somebody is unsure, it's really quite simple to ask.
I get what you're saying, but I don't see the need to change or invent a new word. Just explain what you mean.0 -
Then why are you insisting people change the way they think and speak?PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.
That's all I'm saying. *tears up*
*tear like crying, welling up, not like cutting, rippingemily_stew wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.
No it wasn't completely ridiculous. But the idea of term policing and creating a new word so it doesn't set anyone off is where the absurdity comes into play.
People come up with new words all the time. Every year new words are added the dictionary. That's not absurd. At some point "bestie" wasn't a word, now it is. Why can't there be a word dedicated to describing losing weight by eating at a deficit? Or more than one so there's synonyms to describe it with different emphapses?
http://public.oed.com/the-oed-today/recent-updates-to-the-oed/march-2014-update/new-words-list-march-2014/
You mean dieting?
I'd say CICO but it isn't technically a word and it's a term/concept that could be used to cover both maintaining and bulking.
Dieting, while commonly used to mean eating less, it can also mean eating with restrictions and not necessarily at a caloric deficit. Like going on a paleo diet or vegan diet. Those people would be dieting but may also be bulking or maintaining. A new word could end up being a synonym for dieting, but the emphasis should be on the caloric deficit.
Don't you think you're unnecessarily complicating this?
Maybe. I think it's more like looking for the right tool for the job. A tool box may have lots of screw drivers and a flathead will usually make do, but sometimes a Philips head is the right tool for the job.
And so can a coin be used, depending on the screw. Or a flat head used to open a can of paint. In other words, you make due with what you have and be flexible and realize it is possible for something to be used in different ways.
And that you don't always need separate/specific or complicated tools for one screw/job.
But sometimes you do need separate and specific tools for a job. You need a Pentalobe screwdriver to work on an Apple product. Maybe it's unnecessarily complicated, but when is the English language not unnecessarily complicated? But that's missing the point.
My point is that maybe we need to make it necessarily complicated because the one tool isn't getting the job done in the best way possible.
Except, in this case, the term is fine.
Again...
And that's fine. You're entitled to it. But I'm still entitled to mine.
I'm not insisting. I'm challenging. You can keep on doing whatever you want. I just wrote a post asking a yes or no question and am having a conversation with responders.
Challenging people to say what exactly? What should the term be changed to?"Cutting" also has some negative associations. Every time I read a post which uses "cutting" I immediately think the person is suicidal. Maybe it's just me?
Wouldn't something like "curbing" or "trimming" or "thinning" be just as good?
I know exactly what you're talking about. When I first joined MFP, I saw a threat titled something like, "Anybody Want to Cut with Me?" I remember my heart skipping a beat and going into total shock. I immediately thought he was talking about physical cutting, then came to my senses and realized the forum powers-to-be would have something to say about a post like this. Anyway, I decided to just ask what cutting was. The OP explained to me it was another word for losing fat.
However, even with that experience, I have nothing against the term cutting as used for losing weight.
Exactly.
So you agree that you also have nothing against the term. I guess the thread is over right?
I guess for you...sure. No ones making you stay in this thread.
So go ahead and tell us what the term should be changed to? What would be to you liking?
Some combination of letters that's not currently a word.
It should ideally phonetically sound light or quick. Maybe with a short "i" sounding like hit or flip.
Monosyllabic.
Or you could see the first post for my original suggestions.0 -
sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
But once you're in the community, don't you pick up the jargon? I didn't ever apply the concept of "deficit" to the concept of calories before coming here, even though I had lost 20 pounds.
As someone who self-harmed as a teenager and has struggled with depression, after I learned this use of the term, it did not bother me at all. "To cut" is probably one of the more common phrases in our language. One negative usage can't ruin all of the myriad other applications.
+1
It's as simple as learning to read in context. The term "cutting" for eliminating calories is not an MFP community term only. I see it often from weight lifters.
By the way, I'm going to a rodeo tomorrow and will be cutting cattle...I'll leave that to your imagination since it only has a negative meaning apparently
Cutting calories vs cutting.
Cutting cattle vs cutting.
Cutting costs vs cutting.
Cutting paper vs cutting.
Cutting teeth vs cutting.
Leave out the object and what does the term mean?
Context can also include the general area or place you use these terms. On MFP, we're (in general) talking about weight or calories. If somebody is unsure, it's really quite simple to ask.
I get what you're saying, but I don't see the need to change or invent a new word. Just explain what you mean.
Did the word selfie need to be created when self-portrait worked for centuries?0 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Defatting.
That works.0 -
sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
But once you're in the community, don't you pick up the jargon? I didn't ever apply the concept of "deficit" to the concept of calories before coming here, even though I had lost 20 pounds.
As someone who self-harmed as a teenager and has struggled with depression, after I learned this use of the term, it did not bother me at all. "To cut" is probably one of the more common phrases in our language. One negative usage can't ruin all of the myriad other applications.
+1
It's as simple as learning to read in context. The term "cutting" for eliminating calories is not an MFP community term only. I see it often from weight lifters.
By the way, I'm going to a rodeo tomorrow and will be cutting cattle...I'll leave that to your imagination since it only has a negative meaning apparently
Cutting calories vs cutting.
Cutting cattle vs cutting.
Cutting costs vs cutting.
Cutting paper vs cutting.
Cutting teeth vs cutting.
Leave out the object and what does the term mean?
Context can also include the general area or place you use these terms. On MFP, we're (in general) talking about weight or calories. If somebody is unsure, it's really quite simple to ask.
I get what you're saying, but I don't see the need to change or invent a new word. Just explain what you mean.
Did the word selfie need to be created when self-portrait worked for centuries?
Leave out the object and it simply means cutting. That doesn't mean cutting your arms. So you're associating the word with that, when using the word "cutting" in general meant other things way before it was largely referred to as self-harm.
(Sorry, edited while you wrote that)
And my opinion? Nope. I find it annoying when people need to constantly invent new words.0 -
Shredding?? Or is that already taken?0
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sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
But once you're in the community, don't you pick up the jargon? I didn't ever apply the concept of "deficit" to the concept of calories before coming here, even though I had lost 20 pounds.
As someone who self-harmed as a teenager and has struggled with depression, after I learned this use of the term, it did not bother me at all. "To cut" is probably one of the more common phrases in our language. One negative usage can't ruin all of the myriad other applications.
+1
It's as simple as learning to read in context. The term "cutting" for eliminating calories is not an MFP community term only. I see it often from weight lifters.
By the way, I'm going to a rodeo tomorrow and will be cutting cattle...I'll leave that to your imagination since it only has a negative meaning apparently
Cutting calories vs cutting.
Cutting cattle vs cutting.
Cutting costs vs cutting.
Cutting paper vs cutting.
Cutting teeth vs cutting.
Leave out the object and what does the term mean?
Context can also include the general area or place you use these terms. On MFP, we're (in general) talking about weight or calories. If somebody is unsure, it's really quite simple to ask.
I get what you're saying, but I don't see the need to change or invent a new word. Just explain what you mean.
Did the word selfie need to be created when self-portrait worked for centuries?
Leave out the object and it simply means cutting. That doesn't mean cutting your arms. So you're associating the word with that, when using the word "cutting" in general meant other things way before it was largely referred to as self-harm.
(Sorry, edited while you wrote that)
And my opinion? Nope. I find it annoying when people need to constantly invent new words.
So now "cutting" largely refers to self harm? Right that's my point. Generally, that's the thing that "cutting" refers to if you don't qualify it. Yes it has lots of meanings if you qualify it. That's why it bothers me when people use it on MFP and other fitness/health places without qualifying it as "cutting calories" or "cutting fat"0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Shredding?? Or is that already taken?
It's better than cutting IMHO.0 -
Did you ever stop to think that people who aren't familiar with mental illness wouldn't even have the slightest clue what cutting means in the context you're talking about??0
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On a forum like this, I think most users who have been around have a general understanding that it's a "diet" term. However, to incoming and new users it can be a pretty overwhelming term. I don't particularly like people using it, because of the negative connotations the word carries in Western society today, and because it has the potential to be very triggering to the wrong person. I think there's lots of more appropriate, more descriptive words and phrases that could be used in its place, but once people latch onto a word they seldom let it go.
Saying "cutting calories" or "cutting *insert diet thing here*" would be a far better thing in my opinion, and then slang could come into play later on in a thread that it's already been established is about said thing.0 -
So anyhow...
...how's the cut going, OP?0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Did you ever stop to think that people who aren't familiar with mental illness wouldn't even have the slightest clue what cutting means in the context you're talking about??
But on the flip side, people who don't get it in the context of dieting/fitness would potentially only get it in the context of self-injury. Two sides of the same coin and both valid, I think the OP is just going on what "cutting" means in usual societal context (i.e. in television, gossip magazines, movies, literature, etc).0 -
sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
But once you're in the community, don't you pick up the jargon? I didn't ever apply the concept of "deficit" to the concept of calories before coming here, even though I had lost 20 pounds.
As someone who self-harmed as a teenager and has struggled with depression, after I learned this use of the term, it did not bother me at all. "To cut" is probably one of the more common phrases in our language. One negative usage can't ruin all of the myriad other applications.
+1
It's as simple as learning to read in context. The term "cutting" for eliminating calories is not an MFP community term only. I see it often from weight lifters.
By the way, I'm going to a rodeo tomorrow and will be cutting cattle...I'll leave that to your imagination since it only has a negative meaning apparently
Cutting calories vs cutting.
Cutting cattle vs cutting.
Cutting costs vs cutting.
Cutting paper vs cutting.
Cutting teeth vs cutting.
Leave out the object and what does the term mean?
Context can also include the general area or place you use these terms. On MFP, we're (in general) talking about weight or calories. If somebody is unsure, it's really quite simple to ask.
I get what you're saying, but I don't see the need to change or invent a new word. Just explain what you mean.
Did the word selfie need to be created when self-portrait worked for centuries?
Leave out the object and it simply means cutting. That doesn't mean cutting your arms. So you're associating the word with that, when using the word "cutting" in general meant other things way before it was largely referred to as self-harm.
(Sorry, edited while you wrote that)
And my opinion? Nope. I find it annoying when people need to constantly invent new words.
So now "cutting" largely refers to self harm? Right that's my point. Generally, that's the thing that "cutting" refers to if you don't qualify it. Yes it has lots of meanings if you qualify it. That's why it bothers me when people use it on MFP and other fitness/health places without qualifying it as "cutting calories" or "cutting fat"
Maybe if more people begin referring to cutting calories as cutting, it will become a more positive term, right? Or maybe if we put the same effort into helping those who do self-harm as we do into nitpicking terms, we eventually won't automatically associate it with that.
A word is a word. Cutting in itself is not a bad thing.0 -
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Not to state the obvious here but this is not a self-harm forum so cutting or cutting down or cutting out means leaving something out or reducing something. If the term reminds you of something else than its your perception of it. We all have our own perception, that's what makes life interesting. You're either a glass half full or half empty person. Both are correct. It doesn't bother me in the slightest when taking in context. This is after all a place where people want to be fit and healthy and have pals.0
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See I always thought "cutting" was another way of saying... Getting cut, getting ripped, getting shredded. Not cutting calories, though obviously that would be necessary, but I never thought that was the origin of the term. Reducing body fat so you can see your awesomely cut muscles better. I had absolutely ZERO exposure to the bodybuilding community before joining MFP, and it was one of the easier "jargon" terms to figure out. Bulk and cut, oh yeah, that makes sense.
OP, I'm confused why you think "shredding" is better than "cutting"? Shredding what? Cheese? Paper? A body in the chipper-shredder?
You also said "So now "cutting" largely refers to self harm? Right that's my point. Generally, that's the thing that "cutting" refers to if you don't qualify it." I think that's a pretty big assumption on your part. I think there is a large portion of the population that is unfamiliar with the practice, and even if they have heard of it, it would not be the first thing that comes to mind. At most, they would think, He's cutting? Cutting what?
So in short, no. No it doesn't bother me. And on the long list of words with multiple meanings depending on context, it's not one of the more confusing ones in my opinion. Sorry.0 -
Leaning. Then we could call the former cutters 'leaners'. And the Australian Prime Minister could criticise them, when he's talking about chopping welfare and how there is a culture of lifters and leaners. But that could get confusing, because cutters-now-leaners are often also lifters too. Now I'm confused.
Shredding makes me think of Ninja turtles.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »Yeah, no I get that it's a common term. I'm not discounting it. I understand that it's referencing cutting calories from your diet. From that perspective it's fine. Not ideal or precise, in my opinion. But I get it.
But there's another aspect: it's often used as an antonym to "bulking". Bulking implies adding weight or size to the body. I guess, for me, the duality doesn't really hold up between the terms. One is about the changing the body, the other is about changing the diet. Combine that with the unintentional overlap with the unfortunate meaning and it seems a bit problematic. Especially if the focus on "cutting calories" should be done in a healthy way.
Don't mind me...just picking nits. Again maybe it's just me.
Ummm no. Both cutting and bulking is about changing weight/size of the body, not necessarily what you eat. I have people on my FL that eat the same things in a cut as they do a bulk..just more or less depending on the stage.
And I don't understand how this somehow makes cutting calories healthy or unhealthy?
But cutting isn't the antonym of bulking. But I it's used that way my guess for lack of a better term. In fact bulking doesn't seem to have a defined antonym. I guess I just see an opportunity for a new verb to mean eating less calories.
Eta- didn't realize someone already posted this. Didn't read through entire thread before posting.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »Yeah, no I get that it's a common term. I'm not discounting it. I understand that it's referencing cutting calories from your diet. From that perspective it's fine. Not ideal or precise, in my opinion. But I get it.
But there's another aspect: it's often used as an antonym to "bulking". Bulking implies adding weight or size to the body. I guess, for me, the duality doesn't really hold up between the terms. One is about the changing the body, the other is about changing the diet. Combine that with the unintentional overlap with the unfortunate meaning and it seems a bit problematic. Especially if the focus on "cutting calories" should be done in a healthy way.
Don't mind me...just picking nits. Again maybe it's just me.
Ummm no. Both cutting and bulking is about changing weight/size of the body, not necessarily what you eat. I have people on my FL that eat the same things in a cut as they do a bulk..just more or less depending on the stage.
And I don't understand how this somehow makes cutting calories healthy or unhealthy?
But cutting isn't the antonym of bulking. But I it's used that way my guess for lack of a better term. In fact bulking doesn't seem to have a defined antonym. I guess I just see an opportunity for a new verb to mean eating less calories.
I really want to call my next dog Gretchen Weiners, so I can tell it to stop trying to make fetch happen.0 -
Dude. Don't ever work in a school with young kids where you hear, quite literally, ALL freaking day "so and so cut me". You'd lose your ish in a heartbeat.0
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Sweet. MFP is freaking out with posting. :grumble:0
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And because clearly the "error" message I got was pure crap.0
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shannonbun wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Did you ever stop to think that people who aren't familiar with mental illness wouldn't even have the slightest clue what cutting means in the context you're talking about??
But on the flip side, people who don't get it in the context of dieting/fitness would potentially only get it in the context of self-injury. Two sides of the same coin and both valid, I think the OP is just going on what "cutting" means in usual societal context (i.e. in television, gossip magazines, movies, literature, etc).
But really, WTF is the point of coming onto a health and fitness site and picking apart terms that are used?0 -
Nah, what bothers me is people going out of their way to take offense at things that aren't meant to be offensive in the slightest. Way more trouble is caused by irate, oversensitive people looking to be offended than the use of the word "cutting" which was popular in this sense way before it became a popular piece for bad journalists to show false sympathy over.0
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For your next thread can you cover the word "salad"?
Because "salad tosser" is, you know, a bit upsetting.0 -
I am just going to put my little view on things, i like looking at things a little different and sometimes that can be in a negative way (yes i am 'that' person). When i read about bulking and cutting i just think of someone throwing up and shelf harming. Yes i know what both words mean in the context of muscle building etc but i just can't help my mind going to it's dark place for a few seconds.0
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Paperchains38 wrote: »I am just going to put my little view on things, i like looking at things a little different and sometimes that can be in a negative way (yes i am 'that' person). When i read about bulking and cutting i just think of someone throwing up and shelf harming. Yes i know what both words mean in the context of muscle building etc but i just can't help my mind going to it's dark place for a few seconds.
Now we getting into 'shelf harming'??? They are going to be so cut up about this when I try to lessen their load,,,,,,,,Truly.0
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