Ayurvedic nutrition for weight loss (and general sanity)
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs contain a slurry of chemicals, some of which have been identified by modern science as the "active constituents". The synergy of all the constituents, known active and unknown give the plants efficacy in the appropriate applications. It is very hit or miss to find the appropriate herbs by looking up your symptoms on the Internet. A capable practitioner would provide a comprehensive intake of 1-1.5 hours and after collecting the needed data on the client they would know which herbs, herbal preparation, and dosage to give. A follow-up would be necessary to *kitten* how the herbs are working and make needed adjustments to the formula and dosage. The herbal formula is part of a wholistic plan, which addresses diet and lifestyle. The plan is designed after getting the clients story (subjective), objective(observation), and gathering an assessment (where the imbalances are identified based on subjective and objective.mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
There is. They are.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
Let's see if I'm following you in regards to hedonic hunger.
Herbs... will resolve an emotional issue, which is caused by an underlying physiological imbalance? Is this what you're asserting?
WRT to set point theory?
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/72/5/1088.short
http://www.fasebj.org/content/4/15/3310.full.pdf+html
Please cite some sources for herbs affecting an "imbalance" of leptin.
Your first study is almost 16 years old and doesn't disprove the set point theory. The second paper is really really old. All its references are from the 80s.
Well, here's a newer one. With a very thorough discussion of it. It uses "set point" to mean a body's "normal" healthy weight, the way they referred to the "set point" in the animals they first did the studies on.
It even addresses the leptin issue.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990627/0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
This is not true. You can't be overfat without eating too much. But you could be overweight if a medical condition or medication causes severe inflammation or water retention.
And herbs will cure that?
I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility. I mean we are talking about an infinite number of hypthetical causes here.
The types of diseases that will cause enough water retention to throw a normal weight person into the category of being overweight (remember, I stated that you can't be overweight without eating too much, and you came in with ... but fluid retention from medical conditions!) are life-threatening.
Herbs could treat that?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
There is. They are.
Please post them. Burden of proof and all that.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
This is not true. You can't be overfat without eating too much. But you could be overweight if a medical condition or medication causes severe inflammation or water retention.
And herbs will cure that?
I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility. I mean we are talking about an infinite number of hypthetical causes here.
The types of diseases that will cause enough water retention to throw a normal weight person into the category of being overweight (remember, I stated that you can't be overweight without eating too much, and you came in with ... but fluid retention from medical conditions!) are life-threatening.
Herbs could treat that?
Possibly. I've seen honey cure infection serious enough to cause 15% increase in body weight.
But, I never said herbs could cure anything. I was just correcting your incorrect statement.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
There is. They are.
Please post them. Burden of proof and all that.
Well, since this is an aryuvedic thread, let's look up elderberry, trifala, and ashwaganda.
Studies exist and they look promising, plus these herbs have been used for 1000s of years and are still widely used today. As I said earlier, science is catching up.
Elderberry Extract Study:
http://imr.sagepub.com/content/32/2/132.long
Triphala Study:
So many studies done on this ancient aryuvedic herbal formula:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=triphala
Triphala Exhibits Anti-Arthritic Effect by Ameliorating Bone and Cartilage Degradation in Adjuvant-Induced Arthritic Rats
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08820139.2015.1017047
Ashwaganda:
So many studies have been done on this herb:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=ashwaganda
Ashwaganda (withania somnifera)- a promising herb for neuroregenerative therapy for stroke
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392656/
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
Let's see if I'm following you in regards to hedonic hunger.
Herbs... will resolve an emotional issue, which is caused by an underlying physiological imbalance? Is this what you're asserting?
WRT to set point theory?
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/72/5/1088.short
http://www.fasebj.org/content/4/15/3310.full.pdf+html
Please cite some sources for herbs affecting an "imbalance" of leptin.
Your first study is almost 16 years old and doesn't disprove the set point theory. The second paper is really really old. All its references are from the 80s.
Well, here's a newer one. With a very thorough discussion of it. It uses "set point" to mean a body's "normal" healthy weight, the way they referred to the "set point" in the animals they first did the studies on.
It even addresses the leptin issue.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990627/
It's a lovely paper and I'm glad it touches on the exciting new field of scientific study,epidemiology, however it is inconclusive.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs contain a slurry of chemicals, some of which have been identified by modern science as the "active constituents". The synergy of all the constituents, known active and unknown give the plants efficacy in the appropriate applications. It is very hit or miss to find the appropriate herbs by looking up your symptoms on the Internet. A capable practitioner would provide a comprehensive intake of 1-1.5 hours and after collecting the needed data on the client they would know which herbs, herbal preparation, and dosage to give. A follow-up would be necessary to *kitten* how the herbs are working and make needed adjustments to the formula and dosage. The herbal formula is part of a wholistic plan, which addresses diet and lifestyle. The plan is designed after getting the clients story (subjective), objective(observation), and gathering an assessment (where the imbalances are identified based on subjective and objective.mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
What does this mean? This is what I'm interested in ...what are they identifying as the illness / ailment ...in order to diagnose for appropriate treatment. What are the imbalances that are being diagnosed and how?
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Aryuveda, TCM (traditional Chinese medicine), Western herbalism, etc... You may think of these things as "alternative" medicine, but they are long held traditions, which have their own healing model, which differs from allopathic medicine (the modality encompassing the western diagnoses you are accustomed to hearing about: cancer, bronchitis, congestive heart failure, etc...). Other healing traditions do not use these diagnoses. If someone comes into the office with an allopathic diagnosis, this gets taken into consideration in the subjective, but the client is considered holistically (looking at all the bodily systems even if they initially came in for a skin rash). After the objective part of the intake, the assessment (differential diagnosis) is something very different, if you are not familiar with the healing modality. TCM uses yin and yang and assess the qi (vital energy) of different organ meridians. Aryuveda uses the Tri-dosha: kapha, Pitta, Vatta. It takes years of study to know how to do an accurate assessment, just like it takes an allopathic doctor years to learn how diagnose diseases. It takes years to learn the medicinal actions of so many herbs. My PCP is an MD and also an acupuncturist, so she has both modalities in her tool bag to finding the best remedies for my imbalances. Accurate assessments lead to successful treatments. Finding a skilled "alternative" practitioner could be an astute move, if your current model of care is not working.mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs contain a slurry of chemicals, some of which have been identified by modern science as the "active constituents". The synergy of all the constituents, known active and unknown give the plants efficacy in the appropriate applications. It is very hit or miss to find the appropriate herbs by looking up your symptoms on the Internet. A capable practitioner would provide a comprehensive intake of 1-1.5 hours and after collecting the needed data on the client they would know which herbs, herbal preparation, and dosage to give. A follow-up would be necessary to *kitten* how the herbs are working and make needed adjustments to the formula and dosage. The herbal formula is part of a wholistic plan, which addresses diet and lifestyle. The plan is designed after getting the clients story (subjective), objective(observation), and gathering an assessment (where the imbalances are identified based on subjective and objective.mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
What does this mean? This is what I'm interested in ...what are they identifying as the illness / ailment ...in order to diagnose for appropriate treatment. What are the imbalances that are being diagnosed and how?
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I agree with youmargaretlb4 wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »I had to stop at "sip lemon water throughout the day."
If I went any further, I'd probably go on a rampage.
Thank you MFP, for reminding me that people are self righteous and close-minded.
I hesitate to even bother writing anything but all calories are not created equal and there are plenty of things to do with digestion that aren't related to calories in and out.
@margaretlb4carakirkey wrote: »I think there's quite a bit to Ayruvedic- certainly paying more attention to what your body needs and being mindful. Also that aryuvedic isn't just diet- but a lifestyle. One of its basic principals are doshas- dominate body types. Many that are overweight, or have had a hard time losing weight tend to be Kapha type. Recommended for that type to avoid rich, heavy foods and instead have light, dry foods (eg rice, quinoa, salads). Calorie and portion control are key for this type. Interestingly, breakfast is really important for the other 2 types (Vata, Pitta) but not for Kapha type as that can result in consuming too many calories in the day.
OP - I'm interested in your program and the results you see from this.
Unfortunately I don't think you'll find many on the forums that are outspoken are very familiar with alternative medicine. So as you can see all sorts of posts will result from your inquiry.
I agree much with what the poster above shared... also would enjoy knowing how this is working for you as you continue on.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
There is. They are.
Please post them. Burden of proof and all that.
Well, since this is an aryuvedic thread, let's look up elderberry, trifala, and ashwaganda.
Studies exist and they look promising, plus these herbs have been used for 1000s of years and are still widely used today. As I said earlier, science is catching up.
Elderberry Extract Study:
http://imr.sagepub.com/content/32/2/132.long
Triphala Study:
So many studies done on this ancient aryuvedic herbal formula:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=triphala
Triphala Exhibits Anti-Arthritic Effect by Ameliorating Bone and Cartilage Degradation in Adjuvant-Induced Arthritic Rats
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08820139.2015.1017047
Ashwaganda:
So many studies have been done on this herb:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=ashwaganda
Ashwaganda (withania somnifera)- a promising herb for neuroregenerative therapy for stroke
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392656/
Okay, first, the fact that something is researched (you pointed out ALL the research on two of the herbs) is meaningless as far as proving it has any merit:
http://www.unm.edu/~gfmiller/cycle_effects_on_tips.pdf
We WERE discussing ayurvedic medicine and the way it "works". Not one of the studies you posted has anything to do with real life clinical trials in humans. The flu duration being shortened is not an "imbalance" in the body.
I do not dispute the fact that there are some herbs that work for as aids treating illness. Slippery elm bark is great for a sore throat, there's a nice tea I buy which has it in there and it's my favorite treatment for one.
But, that's not what we were talking about. This whole idea of the body being imbalanced is one that you'd need to show me... what's an imbalance? And how do the herbs balance it? Studies in humans to that effect, please.
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I cannot believe all of the negative comments. Also I watched a documentary called "Fed Up" and learned that a calorie is not just a calorie, it's all in how your body digests them. Anyway, if you feel this is helping (paying attention to your body is always a good thing if you ask me) then good for you. Hope it works for you, can't hurt anyway. Learning is never a waste.0
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I cannot believe all of the negative comments. Also I watched a documentary called "Fed Up" and learned that a calorie is not just a calorie, it's all in how your body digests them. Anyway, if you feel this is helping (paying attention to your body is always a good thing if you ask me) then good for you. Hope it works for you, can't hurt anyway. Learning is never a waste.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
There is. They are.
Please post them. Burden of proof and all that.
Well, since this is an aryuvedic thread, let's look up elderberry, trifala, and ashwaganda.
Studies exist and they look promising, plus these herbs have been used for 1000s of years and are still widely used today. As I said earlier, science is catching up.
Elderberry Extract Study:
http://imr.sagepub.com/content/32/2/132.long
Triphala Study:
So many studies done on this ancient aryuvedic herbal formula:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=triphala
Triphala Exhibits Anti-Arthritic Effect by Ameliorating Bone and Cartilage Degradation in Adjuvant-Induced Arthritic Rats
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08820139.2015.1017047
Ashwaganda:
So many studies have been done on this herb:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=ashwaganda
Ashwaganda (withania somnifera)- a promising herb for neuroregenerative therapy for stroke
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392656/
Okay, first, the fact that something is researched (you pointed out ALL the research on two of the herbs) is meaningless as far as proving it has any merit:
http://www.unm.edu/~gfmiller/cycle_effects_on_tips.pdf
We WERE discussing ayurvedic medicine and the way it "works". Not one of the studies you posted has anything to do with real life clinical trials in humans. The flu duration being shortened is not an "imbalance" in the body.
I do not dispute the fact that there are some herbs that work for as aids treating illness. Slippery elm bark is great for a sore throat, there's a nice tea I buy which has it in there and it's my favorite treatment for one.
But, that's not what we were talking about. This whole idea of the body being imbalanced is one that you'd need to show me... what's an imbalance? And how do the herbs balance it? Studies in humans to that effect, please.
Elderberry shortens the duration of the flu; flu and its accompanying symptoms throw the body out of balance. Ameliorating the symptoms by getting to the underlying cause brings the body closer to homeostasis. In aryuveda, you would not call it the flu, you'd call it Kapha Pitta because of all the phlem (Kapha) and the inflammation/fever (Pitta).0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Overweight is often secondary to a more serious pathology, usually a chronic issue. If you can address and remedy the primary cause, the overweight will invariably be resolved. That is the beauty of a holistic approach like aryuveda; it gets to the root of the problem, rather than chasing around symptoms.
I also want to add to my initial statement. It is possible to be in optimum health and overweight. It is just often a visual indicator of an underlying problem.
You can't be overweight without eating too much.
Even if you have underlying issues, you still have to correct the fact that you simply shovel too much food into your face.
Please tell me how herbs correct the underlying issues.
Herbs help resolve imbalances in the body just as proper nutrition does, and even some pharmaceuticals.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Often is the key word here, not always, certainly not. Many obese people experience true hunger and malnutrition. The set point theory and the discovery of leptin sheds a lot of light on this fact.
What are these "imbalances" of which you speak? And how are they identified and monitored
If they are an actual illness and herbs help to resolve them there would be documentable proof, safety studies and double blind testing and the herbs would become medicine
There is. They are.
Please post them. Burden of proof and all that.
Well, since this is an aryuvedic thread, let's look up elderberry, trifala, and ashwaganda.
Studies exist and they look promising, plus these herbs have been used for 1000s of years and are still widely used today. As I said earlier, science is catching up.
Elderberry Extract Study:
http://imr.sagepub.com/content/32/2/132.long
Triphala Study:
So many studies done on this ancient aryuvedic herbal formula:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=triphala
Triphala Exhibits Anti-Arthritic Effect by Ameliorating Bone and Cartilage Degradation in Adjuvant-Induced Arthritic Rats
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08820139.2015.1017047
Ashwaganda:
So many studies have been done on this herb:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=ashwaganda
Ashwaganda (withania somnifera)- a promising herb for neuroregenerative therapy for stroke
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392656/
Okay, first, the fact that something is researched (you pointed out ALL the research on two of the herbs) is meaningless as far as proving it has any merit:
http://www.unm.edu/~gfmiller/cycle_effects_on_tips.pdf
We WERE discussing ayurvedic medicine and the way it "works". Not one of the studies you posted has anything to do with real life clinical trials in humans. The flu duration being shortened is not an "imbalance" in the body.
I do not dispute the fact that there are some herbs that work for as aids treating illness. Slippery elm bark is great for a sore throat, there's a nice tea I buy which has it in there and it's my favorite treatment for one.
But, that's not what we were talking about. This whole idea of the body being imbalanced is one that you'd need to show me... what's an imbalance? And how do the herbs balance it? Studies in humans to that effect, please.
Elderberry shortens the duration of the flu; flu and its accompanying symptoms throw the body out of balance. Ameliorating the symptoms by getting to the underlying cause brings the body closer to homeostasis. In aryuveda, you would not call it the flu, you'd call it Kapha Pitta because of all the phlem (Kapha) and the inflammation/fever (Pitta).
The Woobecon, you've crossed it.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/beyond-the-flu-shot-a-closer-look-at-the-alternatives/
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Just wondering, if all this 5000 year old "ancient wisdom" was effective and worked, why did we need to advance to western science based medicine? I mean why bother if we already had something that worked? And why is it that life spans didn't increase until science based medicine? Why not just stick with acupuncture, ayurvedic, blood letting and leaches? Honestly curious.0
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Ok, your link says the studies on elderberry are promising and the flu shot does not convey 100% immunity. Woohoo.
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I cannot believe all of the negative comments. Also I watched a documentary called "Fed Up" and learned that a calorie is not just a calorie, it's all in how your body digests them. Anyway, if you feel this is helping (paying attention to your body is always a good thing if you ask me) then good for you. Hope it works for you, can't hurt anyway. Learning is never a waste.
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