14.5 bmi is this too low?

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  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    DebSozo wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    Then why say it? Why include it in your advice?

    If this was your kid wouldn't you be livid if anyone said anything to reinforce that it could possibly be OK to be concerned about bodyfat at a dangerously low BMI ?

    I would be.

    Apologies. His doctor told him he could damage his body by adding calories and fats too quickly. He should definitely add on weight.

    Body fat percentage is different than BMI. I found a body fat percentage chart in this article:
    http://www.builtlean.com/2010/08/03/ideal-body-fat-percentage-chart/
    Healthy body fat range for him would be between 8-19% body fat.

    He is severely under-weight so bodyfat is not the concern here.

    I think that he wants to build muscle is all I am saying. He needs to gain weight. That is a given. Will you P.M. him to help find out his objectives? BMI under 18 is dangerous, correct? I don't think that he is eating enough to meet TDEE. He is seeing doctor after Christmas, so maybe he can give him a regime.

    His p-ratio is extremely positive for muscle building at his BF% so even if he doesn't touch a weight he will gained a good portion of his weight in muscle.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited December 2016
    DebSozo wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    Then why say it? Why include it in your advice?

    If this was your kid wouldn't you be livid if anyone said anything to reinforce that it could possibly be OK to be concerned about bodyfat at a dangerously low BMI ?

    I would be.

    Apologies. His doctor told him he could damage his body by adding calories and fats too quickly. He should definitely add on weight.

    Body fat percentage is different than BMI. I found a body fat percentage chart in this article:
    http://www.builtlean.com/2010/08/03/ideal-body-fat-percentage-chart/
    Healthy body fat range for him would be between 8-19% body fat.

    He is severely under-weight so bodyfat is not the concern here.

    I think that he wants to build muscle is all I am saying. He needs to gain weight. That is a given. Will you P.M. him to help find out his objectives? BMI under 18 is dangerous, correct? I don't think that he is eating enough to meet TDEE. He is seeing doctor after Christmas, so maybe he can give him a regime.

    His p-ratio is extremely positive for muscle building at his BF% so even if he doesn't touch a weight he will gained a good portion of his weight in muscle.

    I think that he will do great! He has a lot of potential. You have a lot of knowledge on this subject.

    ETA: Here are some helpful ideas for gaining weight:
    http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/Underweightadults.aspx

    OP, definitely stay under doctor supervision and keep getting vitals and blood checked.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    DebSozo wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    Then why say it? Why include it in your advice?

    If this was your kid wouldn't you be livid if anyone said anything to reinforce that it could possibly be OK to be concerned about bodyfat at a dangerously low BMI ?

    I would be.

    Apologies. His doctor told him he could damage his body by adding calories and fats too quickly. He should definitely add on weight.

    Body fat percentage is different than BMI. I found a body fat percentage chart in this article:
    http://www.builtlean.com/2010/08/03/ideal-body-fat-percentage-chart/
    Healthy body fat range for him would be between 8-19% body fat.

    He is severely under-weight so bodyfat is not the concern here.

    I think that he wants to build muscle is all I am saying. He needs to gain weight. That is a given. Will you P.M. him to help find out his objectives? BMI under 18 is dangerous, correct? I don't think that he is eating enough to meet TDEE. He is seeing doctor after Christmas, so maybe he can give him a regime.

    His p-ratio is extremely positive for muscle building at his BF% so even if he doesn't touch a weight he will gained a good portion of his weight in muscle.

    I think that he will do great! He has a lot of potential. You have a lot of knowledge on this subject.

    Hopefully the OP will show up in the Weight Gain section where there are a lot of knowledgeable posters who can help him.
  • Annie_01
    Annie_01 Posts: 3,096 Member
    My advice...follow what your doctor is telling you. I think too much advice from too many people can lead to information over-load when first trying to correct health issues. Once you have things under control somewhat and have a base core of knowledge then seek help from experienced people to reach your long term goals.

    When I first started here at this site I read comments and then went and researched for myself.

    For the short-term...listen to your doctor.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    Annie_01 wrote: »
    My advice...follow what your doctor is telling you. I think too much advice from too many people can lead to information over-load when first trying to correct health issues. Once you have things under control somewhat and have a base core of knowledge then seek help from experienced people to reach your long term goals.

    When I first started here at this site I read comments and then went and researched for myself.

    For the short-term...listen to your doctor.

    Good advice!
  • RogueDeer5
    RogueDeer5 Posts: 58 Member
    I am trying to eat more but I think I might have a slight lactose intolerance as I eat cereal for breakfast and when I'm at work I feel a bit bloated and gassy. Im trying to get myself into a routine of eating and gym as the two lend to each other I'm just finding really hard to get to that point
  • RogueDeer5
    RogueDeer5 Posts: 58 Member
    Nothing came up in the second set of blood tests so now I've gotta have a chest x-ray but I don't know what their looking for
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    You're young OP, take advantage of being able to eat lots and get away with it, because it wont last forever.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    You're young OP, take advantage of being able to eat lots and get away with it, because it wont last forever.

    Those were the days, my friend. People told me about it when I was in my 20s, but I didn't believe them because I was too busy burning off calories. Lol.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    I read you think you may be lactose intolerant? Unfortunately it is more likely to be casein intolerant, its far more common than people think, we out number those who are lactose intolerant. I find using goat milk products suit me better. Casein comes in 4 variants, normal bovine, cow is predominantly type 1. Goat is predominantly type 2. There are also types 3 and 4, these are common to most milk and do not seem to be in large enough amounts to cause problems. There is also A2 milk, which is cow but it has dominant type 2 casein defined by testing. If you try goat or A2 milk you could find you feel better, and were there lactose issues as well these would probably subside because the body is not under so much digestive pressure.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    RogueDeer5 wrote: »
    I am trying to eat more but I think I might have a slight lactose intolerance as I eat cereal for breakfast and when I'm at work I feel a bit bloated and gassy. Im trying to get myself into a routine of eating and gym as the two lend to each other I'm just finding really hard to get to that point

    Small and often and highly dense calories

    Nuts, sweets, crisps, chips anything you can think of to get your weight up
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    ^Yes. Also:

    Work your way up. You won't be able to stuff your face from one day to another, you'll just get full and nauseous. Slowly increase your food intake over time.
  • subakwa
    subakwa Posts: 347 Member
    How are you with mince pies? These are small, calorie dense and everywhere so you can happily swipe a few from communal boxes as and when and that will help over the next couple of weeks at least!
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    RogueDeer5 wrote: »
    I am trying to eat more but I think I might have a slight lactose intolerance as I eat cereal for breakfast and when I'm at work I feel a bit bloated and gassy. Im trying to get myself into a routine of eating and gym as the two lend to each other I'm just finding really hard to get to that point

    Could it be the gluten? A celiac often ends up malnourished and overly thin because their intestinal wall is damaged and they can not absorb nutrients well. It also causes lactose intolerance in most too.

    Just an idea. Good luck.
  • tcunbeliever
    tcunbeliever Posts: 8,219 Member
    RogueDeer5 wrote: »
    Nothing came up in the second set of blood tests so now I've gotta have a chest x-ray but I don't know what their looking for

    he's probably looking at several things, but walking pneumonia would be one that would explain sudden weight loss with few other symptoms and would show up on a chest x-ray

    it can be really frustrating to be constantly sent for tests and more tests and more tests, but the doctor will try to rule out the most likely causes first, so multiple rounds of testing are pretty common in my experience

    hang in there and keep eating more!
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    RogueDeer5 wrote: »
    I am trying to eat more but I think I might have a slight lactose intolerance as I eat cereal for breakfast and when I'm at work I feel a bit bloated and gassy. Im trying to get myself into a routine of eating and gym as the two lend to each other I'm just finding really hard to get to that point

    Could it be the gluten? A celiac often ends up malnourished and overly thin because their intestinal wall is damaged and they can not absorb nutrients well. It also causes lactose intolerance in most too.

    Just an idea. Good luck.

    That's what I was wondering also.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited December 2016
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    You're young OP, take advantage of being able to eat lots and get away with it, because it wont last forever.

    Those were the days, my friend. People told me about it when I was in my 20s, but I didn't believe them because I was too busy burning off calories. Lol.

    PLEASE STOP

    You keep posting positively about weight loss and calorie burns on a thread where is it wholly inappropriate

    Take some of your maternal instinct and use it appropriately to support a young man who needs weight GAIN support

    This young man is severely underweight and clearly struggling emotionally with increasing his calories

    Think before you post ..please

    His physician will decide. You are blowing this out of proportion. The poster I was replying to was simply saying to him to enjoy eating a lot now while he can.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited December 2016
    DebSozo wrote: »
    RogueDeer5 wrote: »
    Had my appointment today it was with my family Dr who hasn't seen me in years so he went over my entire medical history and he was concerned about my weight but the blood test came up clear so he booked me in for another blood test...

    He said that I should try eating some more healthy fats and protein from things like milk and cheese but don't just start eating loads as it could damage my body with the sudden increase in calories and fats and as I go to the gym a bit doing weight training he told me to eat more protein and I will bulk up a bit and also to start cardio exercises to make sure I'm keeping my heart healthy

    Then he said he wants to keep an eye on me so after the blood test I have to see him but he said it will most likely not be till after Christmas.

    The bodybuilders on MFP can show you how to eat enough to build muscle during weight training. The thing is you will need to eat more to bulk up while training. Otherwise it will be difficult for your body to build muscle while in your current calorie deficit. (I'm not sure what an ideal, healthy, body fat percentage range for a man your age is. I remember seeing a chart somewhere that showed that.)

    It sounds to me like you have very active life. Cardio will burn calories so be careful to eat extra while doing those kinds of exercises. I have a feeling you will get the information you need. There is a learning curve, so definitely keep researching and don't give up.

    ... It takes some planning to make sure that you get enough calories. But an easy way to do that is to get in enough fats and upping your protein like your doctor said. It's great to hear that you were able to get in to see the doctor and hope your second set of blood tests scheduled to be taken after Christmas show normal also.

    ...It sounds like you are an active person and are simply not eating as much as you are burning. You are wise that you with checked with your physician before embarking on changing up your diet. At least now that you are doctor supervised, he is giving you helpful advice on how to slowly build up your muscle mass and is watching out for you.

    Don't forget that there is a gaining weight forum on MFP where you might get other ideas from people experiencing similar difficulty gaining.

    This is the advice I gave.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    JaneiR36 wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    You're young OP, take advantage of being able to eat lots and get away with it, because it wont last forever.

    Those were the days, my friend. People told me about it when I was in my 20s, but I didn't believe them because I was too busy burning off calories. Lol.

    PLEASE STOP

    You keep posting positively about weight loss and calorie burns on a thread where is it wholly inappropriate

    Take some of your maternal instinct and use it appropriately to support a young man who needs weight GAIN support

    This young man is severely underweight and clearly struggling emotionally with increasing his calories

    Think before you post ..please

    His physician will decide. You are blowing this out of proportion. The poster I was replying to was simply saying to him to enjoy eating a lot now while he can.

    Think about the situation he's in. He's telling us about how a bowl of cereal hurts his stomach maybe because of the milk, whereas most of us in his situation would ecstatically have an awesome story about the new FULL PINT of (lactose free?) icecream we've eaten everyday since we were confronted with our situation. Ever wonder why that is? I don't know that he has any kind of severe condition, but it seems quite plain to me that he doesn't love to eat. Don't glamorize or trivialize what you were, here; he doesn't need this.

    Are you kidding me? I definitely am not trivializing. He is seeing a doctor. Yes he should ask about possible lactose intolerance and possible celiac. He will see a doctor after Christmas. Of course I am not glamorizing being thin. I'm trying to encourage OP to gain weight also.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    I think he's just ruling out any underlying medical issues thoroughly so that if it is just a case of not eating enough (and by your own admission you find eating tough) then he can come down hard on working out a strategy to get you eating more.

    but I think you need to work on this as a priority because regardless of any health issues you are simply not eating enough full stop. Even if something is discovered it would still require you to adequately nourish your body so may as well start working on it right now.

    As someone said, this time of year is perfect, there are plenty of calorie dense treats and options. Even the seasonal special sandwiches are bigger calorie bombs than the usual. Full sugar drinks. Add a packet of crisps and a bar of chocolate to each meal, low volume but high calorie, easy ways to up your intake. Have a little baggy of nuts in your pocket at all times to graze on. Get those little snack size cheese portions and grab one every time you're near the fridge. Little things like that will go a long way to increasing intake.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
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