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in and it's not even Friday yet...So to sum up.
Everyone can have an opinion, but no one can have an opinion. All opinions, which we cant have, no matter how terrible, must be welcomed with butterflies and unicorns. No points must be debated or questioned. No advice is to be given that flies in the face of the original opinion, which we can't have in the first place. Everything must be encouraged.
Gotcha.
Anyone tried ACV?
careful you are gonna be accused of being muscle bound young man who knows it all and is being snide...
but yes that is what some want...me on the other hand appreciate those who told me in no uncertain terms that the "diet" I was doing in 2013 was going to help me lose weight but wouldn't help me keep it off...
Saved me another yo yo from 165-205...
If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen so yes perhaps those in this thread who find these forums to abrupt should just use the diary and groups...13 -
As usual, nothing but strawmen when these topics come up from the aggrieved.
Still waiting for my well muscled young men. Heck, man singular would be sufficient. Bring me pizza and cocktails.
PS. Thanks for the birthday wishes!18 -
I totally agree with what you're saying and will recount something I encountered just this week.
A discussion thread was posted by a person who felt they were a sugar addict. I made a comment with just a few sentences about perhaps starting out easy by removing common complex carbs, eating more above ground than low ground veggies and for fruit perhaps berries or rockmelon. Not once did I mention that I myself follow a LCHF way of eating. My view is that people will either take something from the comments or not.. it is their choice.
Well.... ping goes my inbox.
A member PM'd me about my comment and saying 'clueless about loosing weight, huh', my response was that perhaps their opinion should be posted on the thread rather than being sent as a PM. That resulted in name calling.
Couple of things about this,
a) If I were just starting out this type of behaviour would likely have been enough to scare me off... however I've lost 83lbs with only 7lb to go... think I know after nearly 3 years what works for me
b) what gives anyone the right to go on a personal attack because they hold a contrary view?
We're mostly all here for the same reason... to lose weight, get healthy, share ideas and opinions and look for support.
Personal attacks and name calling are wrong, and should be reported and dealt with.
Open forthright debate between adults is perfectly fine and a healthy endeavour.15 -
There's a bit of truth on both sides. I think the forums are great and there's alot to be learned. If you ask the whole world a question, it's obvious that the responses will be varied, and not all to your liking. I have seen these "mean, know-it-all veterans" spend alot of time trying to help somebody that needs it. You posters that want a "gentle" approach aren't helping people very often. Why don't you post alittle more and turn the tide instead of just complaining until the thread gets shut down? I would really like to hear your advice. Waiting patiently......9
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I totally agree with what you're saying and will recount something I encountered just this week.
A discussion thread was posted by a person who felt they were a sugar addict. I made a comment with just a few sentences about perhaps starting out easy by removing common complex carbs, eating more above ground than low ground veggies and for fruit perhaps berries or rockmelon. Not once did I mention that I myself follow a LCHF way of eating. My view is that people will either take something from the comments or not.. it is their choice.
Well.... ping goes my inbox.
A member PM'd me about my comment and saying 'clueless about loosing weight, huh', my response was that perhaps their opinion should be posted on the thread rather than being sent as a PM. That resulted in name calling.
Couple of things about this,
a) If I were just starting out this type of behaviour would likely have been enough to scare me off... however I've lost 83lbs with only 7lb to go... think I know after nearly 3 years what works for me
b) what gives anyone the right to go on a personal attack because they hold a contrary view?
We're mostly all here for the same reason... to lose weight, get healthy, share ideas and opinions and look for support.
Personal attacks and name calling are wrong, and should be reported and dealt with.
Open forthright debate between adults is perfectly fine and a healthy endeavour.
How do you report PMs?1 -
Long winter?3
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I'm a 54 year old woman with medical conditions who thinks it's all CICO. Can I comment?
And yeah, I started this whole thing to improve my health. I did that most dramatically losing weight. I was already eating well, I was just eating too much. I'd already been down the road of believing that eating a certain way would save me from myself.
It hadn't worked. The only thing that has worked has been restricting calories. Learning that has led to me easing up on the reigns of my dietary choices a little bit. If I want some candy or cookies every now and then, I have them.
That is the point the muscle bound people are trying to make. Food choice isn't the issue where weight management is concerned. Calorie intake is. If someone wants to undertake a certain way of eating for health issues, that's a separate matter.29 -
I don't consider myself "super well muscled" but I am a (relatively) young man.
Its all a matter of CICO.....................
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm a 54 year old woman with medical conditions who thinks it's all CICO.
50 year old women here ... yep, all CICO.
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Hey OP
I get it.
Me too.
trigdon1991 you exemplify the problem
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allenpriest wrote: »Hey OP
I get it.
Me too.
trigdon1991 you exemplify the problem
Bye
What about us other middle aged women on the post chiming in agreeing with Trigden? Don't we count?
I've lost 94 pounds agreeing with Trigden.27 -
trigden1991 wrote: »I don't consider myself "super well muscled" but I am a (relatively) young man.
Its all a matter of CICO.....................
@Izzy62
Can't argue with dem bulges. I always enjoy your posts!! *love in*2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm a 54 year old woman with medical conditions who thinks it's all CICO.
50 year old women here ... yep, all CICO.
You do have to figure out how you want to approach CICO ... obviously we're going to eat different things ... personally, I made the decision to eat only foods I like ... but it's all CICO. Or more specifically CI<CO.
50 lbs lost.7 -
TavistockToad wrote: »I totally agree with what you're saying and will recount something I encountered just this week.
A discussion thread was posted by a person who felt they were a sugar addict. I made a comment with just a few sentences about perhaps starting out easy by removing common complex carbs, eating more above ground than low ground veggies and for fruit perhaps berries or rockmelon. Not once did I mention that I myself follow a LCHF way of eating. My view is that people will either take something from the comments or not.. it is their choice.
Well.... ping goes my inbox.
A member PM'd me about my comment and saying 'clueless about loosing weight, huh', my response was that perhaps their opinion should be posted on the thread rather than being sent as a PM. That resulted in name calling.
Couple of things about this,
a) If I were just starting out this type of behaviour would likely have been enough to scare me off... however I've lost 83lbs with only 7lb to go... think I know after nearly 3 years what works for me
b) what gives anyone the right to go on a personal attack because they hold a contrary view?
We're mostly all here for the same reason... to lose weight, get healthy, share ideas and opinions and look for support.
Personal attacks and name calling are wrong, and should be reported and dealt with.
Open forthright debate between adults is perfectly fine and a healthy endeavour.
How do you report PMs?
Email a mod or Alex. There's got to be a way to forward or copy the sender info too, that I'm sure they could help with. That's what I'd do.
This rest is obviously not directed at TavistockToad but at the specific behavior that I am referring to (that I have never seen TT do):
I find it really inappropriate and even shocking that people conflate getting rude and unsolicited emails with being disagreed with on the forums and even bring it up as if people disagreeing with them openly were also harassing them. Seems like an intent to cast false aspersions, to me, and the fact is they know who is emailing them, as you can't send a PM in MFP without having a user name, etc. (and having multiples is not permitted and I believe easily caught once they know). So if someone is PMing you and you don't like it, out them or report them. DON'T imply it's some unnamed person in the discussion in an effort to cast yourself as a victim as everyone else as some kind of mean stalker.15 -
Lol, OP won't respond on this anymore, as she mentioned " I'm done with reading these forums."5
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My fist post I was told my thinking was fanciful and silly to name a few.
BUT if I don't take feedback I'm not growing.
I am grateful for what some call "mean" and "snarky" posts. I've learned more on this forum about a sustainable way of eating then I have in 30 years of yoyo'ing. But perhaps I realized what I was doing to maintain my weight losses failed and I was ready for help!
Thank goodness restrictive diets are a thing of the past for me!!! Thanks to this forum.
No one cares what woe one chooses low fat, high fat, no sugar, vegan, as long as they know other than for medical reasons they don't HAVE to eat that way if they don't WANT to. Sadly so many people don't know that!
I bet if a new poster opened with...im cutting out all bacon, red meat and fats - the same types of things would be said...are you cutting for medical reasons? Why would you do that? You dont have to cut it out to lose weight all you need is a calorie deficit. Cutting fat too much is dangerous.
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Back to the topic/OP's post:Every post which mentions an alternative diet choice is promptly and efficiently, put down with a comment such as "why cut it out?" "It's all a matter of CICO" .
As someone who has cut things out for a period of time and tried different dietary choices (and eats somewhat low carb or lowish carb now, as well as being quite focused on nutrition), I don't understand what's wrong with these questions. Weight loss IS about CICO, but of course that's not the only thing you might be concerned about, and that's easy to explain (and personally I don't think those comments come when someone says "I am trying to eat a healthier diet" but "I am doing a juice fast" or the like, or "I am drinking ACV," which really AREN'T about health, IMO). As for why cut it out, when I choose to cut something out I have a reason and am generally happy to explain or just say "I have reasons, I know it's not necessary for weight loss, but none of your business." IME with these threads, most people who react badly to those questions assume it IS necessary for weight loss, that it obviously is, and dislike the idea that it is not. And that so many people think such things are necessary is why -- for the readers generally -- it's valuable to point out that it is not.There is nothing "wrong" with trying a low carb diet, it may or may not be right for you. Try low fat, try just eating less of everything. Just try until you find what works for you.
Totally agree with all this, and have never said otherwise. Nor do I see people in general saying otherwise, so I wonder why you think you are seeing that.
What I see is people making assertions (like "do a low carb diet, it's the best way to lose weight" and others saying "no, it's a fine way to lose if you want to, but NOT the only or best way for all"). Yet sometimes people are so into their current diet that they misinterpret "you don't have to do that to lose" or "you don't have to do that to be healthy" or "I disagree that eating that way is inherently more healthy" for intolerance for them choosing that diet. But that's obviously not the case and complaining that someone is upset with your personal choices because they disagree they are the best ones for everyone is, well, odd and suggests a problem with hearing information that disagrees with your own views, i.e., a problem with discussion in general.Ultimately, yes it boils down to CICO, but they way people get to that is their own business and they are here because they are looking for advice on the choice they have made. It is not inherently unhealthy to eat paleo, nor low carb, nor low fat, it is definitely unhealthy to remain overweight.
Mostly agree, but if someone asks about paleo and I give advice on being paleo and also give my reasons (gently) for not being paleo anymore and for thinking it's claims are bunk, while still thinking it can be a decent choice for some, I don't think that's inappropriate or mean. You seem to want to protect people from any ideas that they don't already hold, which I find puzzling. If I posted a question or started a thread I'd certainly not expect not to have to hear anything I disliked or disagreed with. (If I wanted only to hear that paleo or whatever is the best and only way, there are certainly forums for that and even groups here.)Just give people a bit of a break and try encouraging their decision to help themselves by losing the weight, not always putting down the way they choose to do it.
As someone else said, it's ironic that the people getting slammed in these kinds of threads ARE the people who devote a lot of time to trying to help others. Almost always the people complaining about how others post never post help themselves, or at least not that I've seen. (Or sometimes they are the people who pop into numerous threads to tell the OP to give up sugar or do keto or eat "clean" or stop eating back exercise calories or some such when the OP has not expressed such a desire.)11 -
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It is different for everybody. I have tried CICO alone esting what I want and at some point I feel I also need to control or avoid certain food groups, along with CICO. And the inflammation thingy becomes a problem for many people after 40 but not all. It is a pain in the butt and gets muxh better when avoiding or limiting certain foods. Some ways of eating promotes CICO too at least for me. I know if I eat a lot of starchy carbs specifically breads I get hungrier and want to keep eating whereas if I eat proteins I don't tent to overeat. So, yes. CICO matters, food choices matters, everything matters. But it is different to everybody so3
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Your time is never wasted---lurkers, lurkers.........8
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