No meat to lose weight?
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »At the risk of catching all kinds of hell, I like raisins in cookies.
Me too! What's an Oatmeal Raisin cookie without raisins?!2 -
SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »
See:CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commentedSierraFatToSkinny wrote: »pitbullmamaliz wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
@SierraFatToSkinny , this is completely off topic but please don't EVER feed cooked bones to your dog. Cooked bones splinter and are very dangerous to feed, regardless of the size of your dog or the bone.
I cook them until they're soft. (Which I mentioned in my original post.)
As in edible. It's very healthy and safe. I make my own dog food so my dog needs some marrow in her diet. She either gets them raw or after two days in the crockpot.
They're perfectly safe when they're soft.
They're soft enough YOU can eat them.
They're essentially marrow bone treats.
If you have a dog you should try it! Just use a crockpot and cook them until you can tear apart a bone with your fingers. I usually do two days on low heat.
I then use the bone broth for soup bases.
sorry but Im not going to risk my dogs life either way. if you want to risk it, thats your decision.and just because I could safely eat them doesnt mean its safe for my dog. some foods that are safe for me to eat are toxic to my dogs. not worth a risk or unnecessary vet bills in my opinion.
... They're homemade dog treats.... The kibble you're feeding your dog is way worse for them than the softened bones.
It isn't a risk at all. It's nutrient dense and good for them. As long as the bones are either raw or cooked till soft.
My dog eats a 100% homemade diet and my vet not only knows, but approves. My girl has the glossiest fur in the dog park!
I never thought about overcooking the bones like that. I usually de-bone first so he can have it or toss them. I will look into this! 2 -
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*sees raisin hate*
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For those interested!
Here's an example:
It's like a bone treat you would buy at the pet store (except even a little softer.) Notice the marrow.
It isn't sharp at all. I easily crumbled it with my fingertips.
Bone is in almost all dog foods.4 -
Eat anything you desire just eat at deficit. If that means forgoing food that makes you overeat then so be it. Don't be racist to meat.1
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SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »For those interested!
Here's an example:
It's like a bone treat you would buy at the pet store (except even a little softer.) Notice the marrow.
It isn't sharp at all. I easily crumbled it with my fingertips.
Bone is in almost all dog foods.
not going to argue. you feed yours your way and I will feed mine my way. that is all.0 -
SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »
See:CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commentedSierraFatToSkinny wrote: »pitbullmamaliz wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
@SierraFatToSkinny , this is completely off topic but please don't EVER feed cooked bones to your dog. Cooked bones splinter and are very dangerous to feed, regardless of the size of your dog or the bone.
I cook them until they're soft. (Which I mentioned in my original post.)
As in edible. It's very healthy and safe. I make my own dog food so my dog needs some marrow in her diet. She either gets them raw or after two days in the crockpot.
They're perfectly safe when they're soft.
They're soft enough YOU can eat them. They're essentially marrow bone treats.
If you have a dog you should try it! Just use a crockpot and cook them until you can tear apart a bone with your fingers. I usually do two days on low heat.
I then use the bone broth for soup bases.
They almost feel like jelly if cooked long enough2 -
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »There should of never been a oatmeal raisin cookie... Thats a Frankenstein cookie.. a mad scientist just sewing random parts together to make a body.. someone clearly was out of chocolate chips and was desperate.. and thats how that was made.. Sigh
No. They're nice AF. Take your time and eat one in a relaxed environment. You'll change your mind on em.1 -
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SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »For those interested!
...It's like a bone treat you would buy at the pet store (except even a little softer.) Notice the marrow.
It isn't sharp at all. I easily crumbled it with my fingertips.
Bone is in almost all dog foods.
Does it work well with other bones besides chicken? I rarely eat poultry but end up with beef and pig bones often. I would think they are too big to boil soft?1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commented
This goes for hard bones. After bone broth is made, bone is soft/chewy so it won't splinter.. it may not be so nutritious for the dogs after most of the calcium has been boiled out, but still tasty to them, I guess. Better to grind them to a paste.
The reason why vets say no cooked bones is because of the splintering. Boiled down bones (done properly) shouldn't splinter at all. They're chewy, flexible. I'd worry if the bones were boiled with onions/garlic.
Many dog food is made with bone meal. I would feel gelled bone sparingly...if at all, due to not much nutrition.2 -
cerise_noir wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commented
This goes for hard bones. After bone broth is made, bone is soft/chewy so it won't splinter.. it may not be so nutritious for the dogs after most of the calcium has been boiled out, but still tasty to them, I guess.
vets say no to any cooked bones. Im going to follow that.Im not going to risk that there may be one that didnt cook down or that one may splinter.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commented
This goes for hard bones. After bone broth is made, bone is soft/chewy so it won't splinter.. it may not be so nutritious for the dogs after most of the calcium has been boiled out, but still tasty to them, I guess.
vets say no to any cooked bones. Im going to follow that.Im not going to risk that there may be one that didnt cook down or that one may splinter.
I'm a vet (in training for exotics) with not long to go. I have a standard vet degree already. I volunteer at a vet surgery.
I also make my own dog kibble and other pet foods. I've studied per nutrition for many years. Long before I even got my degree. Splintered bone is not safe. Bone meal is safe though. It all comes down to the owner being careful. There are stupid pet owners unfortunately.
And no one is forcing you to feed your dogs what you think is not safe.5 -
jahmalmcqueen wrote: »I play professional basketball and I am a Vegan dont listen to the lies about all this protein excess crap. Eat a clean vegan diet and workout hard you will see and feel the best results in your life now and in the longevity and overall health. Also look up Dr Sebi he has cured everything from Aids to Diabeties. No meat No dairy No Startch. Clean Alkaline Vegan Diet. A lot of the time vegans and vegetarians put on bad weight is cause they fail to do the proper investigation. Have a solid foundation and youll be good. Electric Food is the best food otherwise your putting dead flesh in your system and are a walking cemetery.
You've got to be kidding. I have seen a lot of ridiculous claims about veganism before, but that it can cure AIDS? That's extremely offensive.
Recently nursed a man dying in if AIDS related PCP. Maybe we should have put him on a vegan diet and avoided the inevitable cardiac arrest.
I'll run it past the doctors for next time ...
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »Lol well as long as they don't have raisins...
a raisin shouldn't even be allowed in a cookie..
From Benny and Joon: "A raisin is a failed grape."
One of my all time favourite films
. But it's humiliated grapes
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0027120/quotes
Shoot - thanks, my memory's playing tricks on me. Especially since I've had that particular line in my head for years and it's been wrong all this time
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Raisins in cookies??? What is this hell you speak of
Well, it depends.
You may also find heaven, somewhere
https://food52.com/recipes/32236-buccellati-sicilian-christmas-fig-cookies
My Nonna is from Sicily and I have NEVER had these. (She's also the worlds best cook lol) my Nonno does, although, use grapes in his vino, probably a raisins snuck in at some point, and his vino is amazing 1 -
SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »
See:CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commentedSierraFatToSkinny wrote: »pitbullmamaliz wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
@SierraFatToSkinny , this is completely off topic but please don't EVER feed cooked bones to your dog. Cooked bones splinter and are very dangerous to feed, regardless of the size of your dog or the bone.
I cook them until they're soft. (Which I mentioned in my original post.)
As in edible. It's very healthy and safe. I make my own dog food so my dog needs some marrow in her diet. She either gets them raw or after two days in the crockpot.
They're perfectly safe when they're soft.
They're soft enough YOU can eat them. They're essentially marrow bone treats.
If you have a dog you should try it! Just use a crockpot and cook them until you can tear apart a bone with your fingers. I usually do two days on low heat.
I then use the bone broth for soup bases.
sorry but Im not going to risk my dogs life either way. if you want to risk it, thats your decision.and just because I could safely eat them doesnt mean its safe for my dog. some foods that are safe for me to eat are toxic to my dogs. not worth a risk or unnecessary vet bills in my opinion.
... They're homemade dog treats.... The kibble you're feeding your dog is way worse for them than the softened bones.
It isn't a risk at all. It's nutrient dense and good for them. As long as the bones are either raw or cooked till soft.
My dog eats a 100% homemade diet and my vet not only knows, but approves. My girl has the glossiest fur in the dog park!
Seems like everyone else's "opinion" is more correct than yrs:-/ give yr girl a treat and a pat from me 3 -
jahmalmcqueen wrote: »I play professional basketball and I am a Vegan dont listen to the lies about all this protein excess crap. Eat a clean vegan diet and workout hard you will see and feel the best results in your life now and in the longevity and overall health. Also look up Dr Sebi he has cured everything from Aids to Diabeties. No meat No dairy No Startch. Clean Alkaline Vegan Diet. A lot of the time vegans and vegetarians put on bad weight is cause they fail to do the proper investigation. Have a solid foundation and youll be good. Electric Food is the best food otherwise your putting dead flesh in your system and are a walking cemetery.
You've got to be kidding. I have seen a lot of ridiculous claims about veganism before, but that it can cure AIDS? That's extremely offensive.
Very offensive:-/ I'm a nurse, if it was that easy all my patients would be healthy and I wldnt be donating to fundraisers for cures.1 -
jahmalmcqueen wrote: »I play professional basketball and I am a Vegan dont listen to the lies about all this protein excess crap. Eat a clean vegan diet and workout hard you will see and feel the best results in your life now and in the longevity and overall health. Also look up Dr Sebi he has cured everything from Aids to Diabeties. No meat No dairy No Startch. Clean Alkaline Vegan Diet. A lot of the time vegans and vegetarians put on bad weight is cause they fail to do the proper investigation. Have a solid foundation and youll be good. Electric Food is the best food otherwise your putting dead flesh in your system and are a walking cemetery.
You've got to be kidding. I have seen a lot of ridiculous claims about veganism before, but that it can cure AIDS? That's extremely offensive.
Very offensive:-/ I'm a nurse, if it was that easy all my patients would be healthy and I wldnt be donating to fundraisers for cures.
This is exactly why naturopaths and "alternative medicine" quacks are so dangerous.5 -
SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »For those interested!
...It's like a bone treat you would buy at the pet store (except even a little softer.) Notice the marrow.
It isn't sharp at all. I easily crumbled it with my fingertips.
Bone is in almost all dog foods.
Does it work well with other bones besides chicken? I rarely eat poultry but end up with beef and pig bones often. I would think they are too big to boil soft?
I collect nearly all the bones I've used for cooking, they go into a ziplock in the fridge. Chicken, pork, lamb, beef. When I have enough I put them into the crockpot together. Makes a very tasty bone broth and I use the bones as treats! You have to test a few. I usually call it done with the largest bone easily breaks apart.
My girl always eats either raw bones or softened bones. Also... save the knuckle cartilage off of the bones you eat. I give those to her as well. I never buy anything boneless or skinless. Chicken thighs always have too much skin and the excess goes to the dog too. Raw. She's a very happy pup. Lol
Sometimes I have too many softened bones and I grind them up and add them to the compost outside.SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »
See:CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »I was a vegetarian for a while. I mostly did it to support my roommate who went vegetarian, but there was a moral component to it as well.
Ended up gaining weight.... Haha.
Now I eat meat, but I try not to have it be boneless, skinless etc. I eat meat off the bone and with the skin. I even save the bones and then make bone stock with them! Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
I think that's how meat was intended to be consumed.
That was more of an answer than you asked for... but I'm very satisfied with this process.
off topic but cooked bones should NOT be given to dogs, especially poultry bones,those should never be given at all. cooked bones can splinter and cause damage and even kill a dog. PS what the person said above about the bones is correct. just didnt see the post before I commentedSierraFatToSkinny wrote: »pitbullmamaliz wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »Then I give the softened bones to my dog as a treat. I try to have as little waste of animal products as possible. I even eat organ meat.
@SierraFatToSkinny , this is completely off topic but please don't EVER feed cooked bones to your dog. Cooked bones splinter and are very dangerous to feed, regardless of the size of your dog or the bone.
I cook them until they're soft. (Which I mentioned in my original post.)
As in edible. It's very healthy and safe. I make my own dog food so my dog needs some marrow in her diet. She either gets them raw or after two days in the crockpot.
They're perfectly safe when they're soft.
They're soft enough YOU can eat them. They're essentially marrow bone treats.
If you have a dog you should try it! Just use a crockpot and cook them until you can tear apart a bone with your fingers. I usually do two days on low heat.
I then use the bone broth for soup bases.
sorry but Im not going to risk my dogs life either way. if you want to risk it, thats your decision.and just because I could safely eat them doesnt mean its safe for my dog. some foods that are safe for me to eat are toxic to my dogs. not worth a risk or unnecessary vet bills in my opinion.
... They're homemade dog treats.... The kibble you're feeding your dog is way worse for them than the softened bones.
It isn't a risk at all. It's nutrient dense and good for them. As long as the bones are either raw or cooked till soft.
My dog eats a 100% homemade diet and my vet not only knows, but approves. My girl has the glossiest fur in the dog park!
Seems like everyone else's "opinion" is more correct than yrs:-/ give yr girl a treat and a pat from me
I will! Because of the upcoming adoption she's been getting a lot of attention this weekend. I haven't told her she's getting a brother yet... lol. Guess she'll find out when the other dog gets into the same car after the meet and greet!2 -
SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »SierraFatToSkinny wrote: »For those interested!
...It's like a bone treat you would buy at the pet store (except even a little softer.) Notice the marrow.
It isn't sharp at all. I easily crumbled it with my fingertips.
Bone is in almost all dog foods.
Does it work well with other bones besides chicken? I rarely eat poultry but end up with beef and pig bones often. I would think they are too big to boil soft?
I collect nearly all the bones I've used for cooking, they go into a ziplock in the fridge. Chicken, pork, lamb, beef. When I have enough I put them into the crockpot together. Makes a very tasty bone broth and I use the bones as treats! You have to test a few. I usually call it done with the largest bone easily breaks apart.
My girl always eats either raw bones or softened bones. Also... save the knuckle cartilage off of the bones you eat. I give those to her as well. I never buy anything boneless or skinless. Chicken thighs always have too much skin and the excess goes to the dog too. Raw. She's a very happy pup. Lol
Sometimes I have too many softened bones and I grind them up and add them to the compost outside.
Excellent. Thank you.
And my dog thanks you too! 1 -
I recommend at minimum 0.6-0.8g per pound of a healthy goal weight. More is fine. Less is (IMO) risky. You can get this much on a vegan or vegetarian regime, no problem.
Can you help me to know how I can get 112g of protein on a vegetarian/vegan diet? That would be 0.7g per pound on my 160 pound healthy goal weight.
For ovo-lacto, possibly, depending on your calorie target. I eat a minimum of 100g daily in maintenance at 1850-2000 or so (gross) calories for my 120-something-pound self. (More protein on my high calorie days - actual maintenance TDEE is probably 2100-2300, so I work from a rolling average). During the loss phase it was more like 80-90 on 1600-1800 gross. At 1400-ish gross (which was a big mistake for me - too few cals!) it was more like 75g.
For me, there's quite a bit of dairy (love it, and my Northern European genes like it fine, too). I don't eat protein powder, protein bars, or fake meat (at least not often), not because there's anything wrong with them, but because I don't find them tasty or satisfying.
For vegan, I dunno. I think I could keep my levels where I want them, but I think I'd have to eat quite a bit more soy than I'd prefer. For that, it'd be better to ask one of the higher-protein-eating vegans who're around MFP (yeah, I believe there are some).
A person could write a whole long essay on the subject, but the short form is this: Review your diary. Find items that have quite a few calories, but little protein. Reduce or eliminate those foods, replacing them with others you like that have more protein. Prefer sources that are more complete (in terms of amino acid complement) when possible. Look for solid protein in every category: Vegetables, fruits, snacks, grains, non-water beverages.
Use this thread to find the right foods, it's pure gold: Carbs and Fats are cheap. Here's a Guide to getting your PROTEIN's worth. Fiber also...
Keep reviewing your diary, keep tweaking what you eat, and you'll gradually move toward your desired protein level. Can you do it? I dunno. It helped me that I like most (non-meat/fish) foods, and enjoy trying new things. I don't keep eating foods I don't enjoy, though, past the trial phase. Life is too short.
It would be nice if being vegan/vegetarian meant we could get by eating less protein, but sadly there's no scientific basis for believing that. That's one reason why, when folks ask on MFP about becoming vegan/vegetarian, I often suggest they not do so unless they have ethical reasons. It requires a little more attention and planning, so it's not always convenient.
If you want to see what I eat, send me a FR. My diary is open to friends, but I don't care to make it public.0 -
alexandreenconanan17 wrote: »Should I stop eating meat like those high carb low fat diet plan that I read before or just cut up some colories and stick with my meal plan. I'm eating rice everyday with more veggies and just a little of meat and sugar.
Unless meat/poultry/fish actually give you problems there is no reason to cut them out. Humans need the complete protein in these foods.
You will feel better overall if you include protein, especially if you exercise. Even vegan athletes have to make an extra effort to focus on protein and it's not easy for vegans. Why would you make your life so unnecessarily complicated like that? Our bodies are designed to take meat as well as vegetables and grains.
Most people feel best starting with the baseline MFP gives for macros or something like 40/20/40 % protein/fat/carbs.
For most females that's about 100 grams or so of protein. You can get the best protein/calorie ratio foods in ths order: egg whites, white fish, protein powder isolate, bone broth, then lean turkey/chicken/pork, then fat free yogurt and cottage cheese. It does not mean higher fat protein like beef/salmon, or higher carb vegan proteins are bad, it's just that if you want to make it simple and focus on protein/veggies just enough carbs/fat to get to your calorie goal and than it falls into place naturally.
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jahmalmcqueen wrote: »I play professional basketball and I am a Vegan dont listen to the lies about all this protein excess crap. Eat a clean vegan diet and workout hard you will see and feel the best results in your life now and in the longevity and overall health. Also look up Dr Sebi he has cured everything from Aids to Diabeties. No meat No dairy No Startch. Clean Alkaline Vegan Diet. A lot of the time vegans and vegetarians put on bad weight is cause they fail to do the proper investigation. Have a solid foundation and youll be good. Electric Food is the best food otherwise your putting dead flesh in your system and are a walking cemetery.
Veganism is certainly good for some people but it does not cure diseases like Aids or diabetes. Dr Sebi (see bold) was a quack and a fraud. Stop posting this stuff and spreading misinformation.
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »There should of never been a oatmeal raisin cookie... Thats a Frankenstein cookie.. a mad scientist just sewing random parts together to make a body.. someone clearly was out of chocolate chips and was desperate.. and thats how that was made.. Sigh
Since the history of the oatmeal raisin cookie predates the chocolate chip cookie, nope.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »There should of never been a oatmeal raisin cookie... Thats a Frankenstein cookie.. a mad scientist just sewing random parts together to make a body.. someone clearly was out of chocolate chips and was desperate.. and thats how that was made.. Sigh
Since the history of the oatmeal raisin cookie predates the chocolate chip cookie, nope.
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