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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.

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  • heiliskrimsli
    heiliskrimsli Posts: 735 Member
    moya_bleh wrote: »
    From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.

    Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.

    Oh you bet. They all want the ripped-to-shreds gym rat with washboard abs, and will verbally shred him if he shows a preference for equally fit women.
  • comptonelizabeth
    comptonelizabeth Posts: 1,697 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
    When you live in a country with socialized medicine it affects your pocketbook.
    If you have group insurance, which almost everyone does, it still affects you.

    And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.

    No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
    Some people think beyond their own personal needs.
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,257 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
    When you live in a country with socialized medicine it affects your pocketbook.
    If you have group insurance, which almost everyone does, it still affects you.

    And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.

    No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
    Some people think beyond their own personal needs.

    ...and you would be reporting from Venezuela?
  • comptonelizabeth
    comptonelizabeth Posts: 1,697 Member
    Nope. The uk.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
    When you live in a country with socialized medicine it affects your pocketbook.
    If you have group insurance, which almost everyone does, it still affects you.

    And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.

    No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
    Some people think beyond their own personal needs.

    I don't think you are following the discussion well if you think tomteboda is loathing people for needing health care. She's obviously referring to sentiments that others have expressed.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    moya_bleh wrote: »
    From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.

    Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.

    Notice how often this happens in the real world when you're out and about.
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,257 Member
    Nope. The uk.

    Insightful - socialist policies made possible via capitalism.
  • comptonelizabeth
    comptonelizabeth Posts: 1,697 Member
    edited May 2017
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    tomteboda wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
    When you live in a country with soc0ialized medicine it affects your pocketbook.
    If you have group insurance, which almost everyone does, it still affects you.

    And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.

    No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
    Some people think beyond their own personal needs.

    I don't think you are following the discussion well if you think tomteboda is loathing people for needing health care. She's obviously referring to sentiments that others have expressed.

    My apologies to her,then. I obviously misunderstood. It seemed to me that she was being critical of socialist policies/socialist medicine because it "makes people loathe them".
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    tomteboda wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
    When you live in a country with soc0ialized medicine it affects your pocketbook.
    If you have group insurance, which almost everyone does, it still affects you.

    And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.

    No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
    Some people think beyond their own personal needs.

    I don't think you are following the discussion well if you think tomteboda is loathing people for needing health care. She's obviously referring to sentiments that others have expressed.

    My apologies to her,then. I obviously misunderstood. It seemed to me that she was being critical of socialist policies/socialist medicine because it "makes people loathe them".

    Read back to what she was responding to. It might help.
  • MissusMoon
    MissusMoon Posts: 1,900 Member
    Go hang out at r/fatlogic. It's been a lifesaver for me. Literally.
  • heiliskrimsli
    heiliskrimsli Posts: 735 Member
    MissusMoon wrote: »
    Go hang out at r/fatlogic. It's been a lifesaver for me. Literally.

    The funniest part of /r/fatlogic is that it's mostly fat posters pointing out how they're just not quite as bad as that other fat person who is fatter than they are.
  • moya_bleh
    moya_bleh Posts: 1,375 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    moya_bleh wrote: »
    From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.

    Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.

    Notice how often this happens in the real world when you're out and about.

    True enough, the memes are pretty much fictional drawings or staged photoshoots.
  • onlytruemanhere83
    onlytruemanhere83 Posts: 39 Member
    edited May 2017
    I unequivocally disagree with the notion of 'fat people can be healthy too' - by that maxim can we agree that anorexic people are healthy? No. Face facts there are people on this planet currently who think that an outpouring of empathy is the best way to make people feel comfortable about themselves. This is the wrong thing to do - Nietzchse and Jung knew this.

    Fat people are more at risk of everything, usually it is purely a mental health issue that manifests itself physically.

    In this current soft society we mistake vulnerability and want to encourage its protection at all costs - even in the face of logic.

    Maybe if we gave up this 'love your body how it is' mentality - the world wouldn't be such a *kitten* show.

    Get fit, get responsibility, get over yourself and get going... You're on this earth a short while, dont waste it.
  • onlytruemanhere83
    onlytruemanhere83 Posts: 39 Member
    I think this article sums it up pretty well:


    “Health has become the stick with which to beat fat people with, and the benchmark for whether body positivity should include someone.”

    So it should be. Evolution used to weed out the crap. Now the crap get medicated. Survival of the fittest.
  • DasItMan91
    DasItMan91 Posts: 5,753 Member
    moya_bleh wrote: »
    I think that the thread title is a bit of a misnomer. It should be more of "I don't support what some aspects of the fat acceptance/plus size movement are turning it into" rather than a refusal to support ANY facet of it at all.

    There are many posters on here who genuinely aren't aware of the ramblings of Virgie Tovar, Marilyn Wann, Lindy West, Jes Baker, Ragen Chastain, Desiree Meyers-Liebowitz, the concepts of "thin privilege", "fatphobia" and the many hypocritical articles posted on sites like Ravishly, Revelist etc. alomg with the toxic filth that permeates Tumblr and other forms of social media. These are the aspects of the fat acceptance movement that I rail against, not the concept of body positivity itself.

    Be comfortable in your own skin regardless of your size (or anything else for that matter) = Good

    "Be fat like us, or you are a thin privileged, fatphobic traitor" = Bad. Very bad.

    This is a random question but haven't I seen you on Bodybuilding.com? I swear to god I've seen you on there.
  • onlytruemanhere83
    onlytruemanhere83 Posts: 39 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »
    Except that fat people can be healthy.

    Any examples of these wondrous healthy fat people? Most of my family are fat and they have all manner of issues - alcoholism, mental health issues, prostate cancer, heart issues (this is only three members of my family I'm thinking of at the moment - theres more)

    I feel we always use the anomaly to define the rule, I have been fat previously - I wasn't happy OR healthy and i think to state that you can be healthy and fat is to lead people down a mean trite road whereby you feel good for making them feel good about themselves.

    Its about the individual - looking at themselves naked in the mirror, with nothing but their mind to show, having some cold hard truth. There seems to be a lot of counter studies out there so i won't quickly search literature and show something that highlights my own truth, because thats not how i roll - i prefer platos allegory of the cave.

    I agree that going out of your way to make someone feel uncomfortable about their weight is a douche move, however - the amount of overweight people that seem to have an opinion on my 6 workouts a week and clean eating seems to be okay.

    Maybe my skin is just a little thicker than theirs, maybe they should be asking why that is...

    Maybe their ideal truth has never really been thought of.

    Live as long as possible, do as much good as possible
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