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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.
Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.
Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.
Oh you bet. They all want the ripped-to-shreds gym rat with washboard abs, and will verbally shred him if he shows a preference for equally fit women.1 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »JohnnyPenso wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.
No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
Some people think beyond their own personal needs.1 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »JohnnyPenso wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.
No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
Some people think beyond their own personal needs.
...and you would be reporting from Venezuela?0 -
Nope. The uk.1
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »JohnnyPenso wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.
No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
Some people think beyond their own personal needs.
I don't think you are following the discussion well if you think tomteboda is loathing people for needing health care. She's obviously referring to sentiments that others have expressed.1 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.
Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.
Notice how often this happens in the real world when you're out and about.2 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »Nope. The uk.
Insightful - socialist policies made possible via capitalism.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »JohnnyPenso wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.
No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
Some people think beyond their own personal needs.
I don't think you are following the discussion well if you think tomteboda is loathing people for needing health care. She's obviously referring to sentiments that others have expressed.
My apologies to her,then. I obviously misunderstood. It seemed to me that she was being critical of socialist policies/socialist medicine because it "makes people loathe them".2 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »Nope. The uk.
Insightful - socialist policies made possible via capitalism.
Not sure what point you're making here,but "socialised medicine " works well in the uk. It's not perfect but at least I don't have to sell my house or get into debt in order to get necessary health care.5 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »JohnnyPenso wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »To be honest, I don't understand how this is even a "movement." I could give a rat's *kitten* about how fat anyone is besides myself.
And yet people love socialist policies, even though those policies make them loathe other people. Go figure.
No, they apparently just make * you * loathe other people.
Some people think beyond their own personal needs.
I don't think you are following the discussion well if you think tomteboda is loathing people for needing health care. She's obviously referring to sentiments that others have expressed.
My apologies to her,then. I obviously misunderstood. It seemed to me that she was being critical of socialist policies/socialist medicine because it "makes people loathe them".
Read back to what she was responding to. It might help.0 -
Go hang out at r/fatlogic. It's been a lifesaver for me. Literally.2
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MissusMoon wrote: »Go hang out at r/fatlogic. It's been a lifesaver for me. Literally.
The funniest part of /r/fatlogic is that it's mostly fat posters pointing out how they're just not quite as bad as that other fat person who is fatter than they are.1 -
This movement is really not all that far removed from various other SJW type causes in that it takes what could potentially be positive dialogue and spins in into utter nonsense by way of childish ideology and whimsical rhetoric. It's essentially "fat lives matter", to use a metaphor. Advocacy in the age of my generation is so stupid it's unbelievable.
There is almost nothing positive about being obese. Nothing. You are often shunned by society, suffer psychological and psychosocial stigma and bias, and are on a fast track to an early grave. As all of us well know, this is 100% preventable with hard work and self discipline. Energies and resources should be focused on encouraging people to do just that, not empowering weak willed and self destructive behavior.
The all too common counter argument is "but but but, models promote eating disorders and being unhealthy". Yep, they sure do, so then your social retort to retarded behavior is to promote similarly retarded behavior of your own? That's pure genius9 -
Packerjohn wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.
Yet all of their "real men will love every inch" pics and memes ALWAYS show them depicted in an embrace with a fit, athletic guy. "You have to accept us as gorgeous, but fat men? Ewwwww!" A blatant double standard that reeks of entitlement.
Notice how often this happens in the real world when you're out and about.
True enough, the memes are pretty much fictional drawings or staged photoshoots.0 -
I unequivocally disagree with the notion of 'fat people can be healthy too' - by that maxim can we agree that anorexic people are healthy? No. Face facts there are people on this planet currently who think that an outpouring of empathy is the best way to make people feel comfortable about themselves. This is the wrong thing to do - Nietzchse and Jung knew this.
Fat people are more at risk of everything, usually it is purely a mental health issue that manifests itself physically.
In this current soft society we mistake vulnerability and want to encourage its protection at all costs - even in the face of logic.
Maybe if we gave up this 'love your body how it is' mentality - the world wouldn't be such a *kitten* show.
Get fit, get responsibility, get over yourself and get going... You're on this earth a short while, dont waste it.
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ErinMichelle31 wrote: »I think this article sums it up pretty well:
“Health has become the stick with which to beat fat people with, and the benchmark for whether body positivity should include someone.”
So it should be. Evolution used to weed out the crap. Now the crap get medicated. Survival of the fittest.1 -
I think that the thread title is a bit of a misnomer. It should be more of "I don't support what some aspects of the fat acceptance/plus size movement are turning it into" rather than a refusal to support ANY facet of it at all.
There are many posters on here who genuinely aren't aware of the ramblings of Virgie Tovar, Marilyn Wann, Lindy West, Jes Baker, Ragen Chastain, Desiree Meyers-Liebowitz, the concepts of "thin privilege", "fatphobia" and the many hypocritical articles posted on sites like Ravishly, Revelist etc. alomg with the toxic filth that permeates Tumblr and other forms of social media. These are the aspects of the fat acceptance movement that I rail against, not the concept of body positivity itself.
Be comfortable in your own skin regardless of your size (or anything else for that matter) = Good
"Be fat like us, or you are a thin privileged, fatphobic traitor" = Bad. Very bad.
This is a random question but haven't I seen you on Bodybuilding.com? I swear to god I've seen you on there.0 -
onlytruemanhere83 wrote: »I unequivocally disagree with the notion of 'fat people can be healthy too' - by that maxim can we agree that anorexic people are healthy? No. Face facts there are people on this planet currently who think that an outpouring of empathy is the best way to make people feel comfortable about themselves. This is the wrong thing to do - Nietzchse and Jung knew this.
Fat people are more at risk of everything, usually it is purely a mental health issue that manifests itself physically.
In this current soft society we mistake vulnerability and want to encourage its protection at all costs - even in the face of logic.
Maybe if we gave up this 'love your body how it is' mentality - the world wouldn't be such a *kitten* show.
Get fit, get responsibility, get over yourself and get going... You're on this earth a short while, dont waste it.
Except that fat people can be healthy. Their statistical probability of becoming ill increases, but it takes class III obesity (BMI 40) to present a significant risk to any random individual. On the other hand, that same level of risk is achieved at a BMI of 18.
A person who is underweight also may be healthy, but their risk of disease and injury rises dramatically with small losses of mass. Anorexics are not the only people who become underweight, just as people with binge eating disorder are not the only ones who become overweight. Both anorexia and binge eating disorder are psychiatric illnesses, aside from tree effect they have one a person's weight.
I wrote a realy long essay on another read today explaining how it took me years to be able to have a healthy view of my body; it took accepting that i was worthwhile no matter what my weight was. And it was only then that managing my weight did not set off anxiety, depression, and disordered eating.
I Have no doubt that there are a number of people on these boards who would still look down on me, accuse me of being lazy and immoral, judge me as unfit because I have more than 19% body fat or lack a 6 pack or whatever. In the past, the judgment of those people would make me doubt my worth as a human being. And that was very bad. Today I can smile, offer the one-finger salute, and say to others struggling:
Your value is not determined by your weight.
P.s. i repeat, I completely reject the Marxist Critical Theory "fat acceptance". I also reject discrimination, rudeness, bigotry, and hatred of people based on their weight: because I embrace "love your neighbor as yourself" and "all men are created equal".16 -
Except that fat people can be healthy.
Any examples of these wondrous healthy fat people? Most of my family are fat and they have all manner of issues - alcoholism, mental health issues, prostate cancer, heart issues (this is only three members of my family I'm thinking of at the moment - theres more)
I feel we always use the anomaly to define the rule, I have been fat previously - I wasn't happy OR healthy and i think to state that you can be healthy and fat is to lead people down a mean trite road whereby you feel good for making them feel good about themselves.
Its about the individual - looking at themselves naked in the mirror, with nothing but their mind to show, having some cold hard truth. There seems to be a lot of counter studies out there so i won't quickly search literature and show something that highlights my own truth, because thats not how i roll - i prefer platos allegory of the cave.
I agree that going out of your way to make someone feel uncomfortable about their weight is a douche move, however - the amount of overweight people that seem to have an opinion on my 6 workouts a week and clean eating seems to be okay.
Maybe my skin is just a little thicker than theirs, maybe they should be asking why that is...
Maybe their ideal truth has never really been thought of.
Live as long as possible, do as much good as possible3
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