What terms/phrases wind you up about losing weight?
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clicketykeys wrote: »"There is a lot of research that shows" or "there are studies that show" when links to or titles of said research/studies are not provided.
It remains a mild irritation until someone claims that the woo they're spouting can significantly improve a major life condition. That's what gets me het up.
I'm confused, do you object when people "spout woo" and claim that it's backed up by research, or do you insist that every post on MFP that mentions research should have a bibliography and be peer-reviewed?!3 -
I have learned to keep my expectations low.nutmegoreo wrote: »
Yay!! This is almost like having friends!HeliumIsNoble wrote: »You are my favourite MFPer for the day, because the bolded is almost exactly the example I use when someone asks me to trust the general public's "common sense".
{I would imagine...}
Maybe someday you'll have a few
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When people lose weight and than refuse to tell you how they did it. Like, why are you keeping the secret. That's so mean. Don't you want other people to feel good too?
Also, I think it's funny and interesting that some of my major motivations are other people's pet peeves.8 -
A GALLON is a measure of VOLUME, NOT WEIGHT.rightoncommander wrote: »lilolilo920 wrote: »"Toning"
"Muscle weighs more than fat"
Ugh just thinking about this makes me angry.
People who deny that muscle weights more than fat really get my goat. OK, let's go for a run, you carry a gallon of muscle and I'll carry a gallon of fat. Let's see which one of us drops first!
I'm not denying that it is often said in a way that is unhelpful or that demonstrates ignorance, but it is a scientific fact.
Therefore defining DENSITY instead of weight is preferable.
If people said a GALLON of muscle weighs more than a GALLON of fat then we would not have as much confusion or disagreement. But that is NOT what is being stated.
But even a GALLON of water weighs differently and is a different VOLUME in the US (231 cubic inches, approx 3.78 kg) compared to the UK (about 277.42 cubic inches, approximately 4.54 kg).
Yes, it is pedantic. The truth usually is so and science must be so.23 -
I have learned to keep my expectations low.nutmegoreo wrote: »
Yay!! This is almost like having friends!HeliumIsNoble wrote: »You are my favourite MFPer for the day, because the bolded is almost exactly the example I use when someone asks me to trust the general public's "common sense".
{I would imagine...}
Maybe someday you'll have a few
Always good to have low expectations. It diminishes disappointment.PinkCuddleMonster wrote: »When people lose weight and than refuse to tell you how they did it. Like, why are you keeping the secret. That's so mean. Don't you want other people to feel good too?
Also, I think it's funny and interesting that some of my major motivations are other people's pet peeves.
I have a couple thoughts about why people won't tell you. 1) They have done it in an unhealthy or less accepted way, and they don't want to be judged for it. 2) They have done it through something like calorie counting and have found that when they tell people their eyes will glaze over and be given a bunch of excuses, so feel it isn't worth the time and effort. 3) They have an illness that they don't wish to discuss.15 -
I was thinking the same thing.nutmegoreo wrote: »I have a couple thoughts about why people won't tell you. 1) They have done it in an unhealthy or less accepted way, and they don't want to be judged for it. 2) They have done it through something like calorie counting and have found that when they tell people their eyes will glaze over and be given a bunch of excuses, so feel it isn't worth the time and effort. 3) They have an illness that they don't wish to discuss.
People get different reactions based on the methodologies used.
Saying you had surgery instead of doing the work earns you less respect from me, but at least you admitted that you had surgery instead of acting like you worked as hard as everyone else.
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I'm not a big fan of "weight loss is not linear". I wholeheartedly agree with the concept but there must be different ways of expressing it.
You just reminded me of another peeve I've got!
<geek>
When people say "Weight loss is not linear", what they often mean is "Weight loss is not monotonic." Linear means falling on a line, i.e. rate of weight loss stays the same. Monotonic means that the slope never changes sign, that is you never gain when you're trying to lose.
</geek>
Yeah, it's kinda too bad that both people in a conversation have to understand all the words, in order for communication to happen. If that weren't true, we could be so much more accurate.
This is in the same vein that @cqbkaju has been addressing. Precise language is better than imprecise language.
I work in a technical field where precise communication is important. If someone told me that something was linear, when what they meant was that it was monotonic, that would be a potentially damaging miscommunication.
Here on MFP, I understand what the speaker is saying, and the intended recipient usually understands also. It's a more casual venue. I wouldn't inject myself into a thread with this complaint, and I wouldn't normally even comment on it. But in a thread dedicated to what terms and phrases "wind you up", I think I'm justified in airing my grievance.I have said to you before that we should understand each other," she said.
"I meant you should understand me. I already understand you.
- Jessica of Arrakis11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't get why people get so butthurt when someone corrects loose to lose. Are we so delicate as a society that is better to be allowed to be wrong than be corrected and learn? I'd rather learn of a misspelling on MFP than after i put the wrong word in a presentation at work....
Yes...yes we are.
Triggered...safe spaces...we're *kittened*9 -
They should, presuming they are above a 5th grade English reading level.In future I will simply say "Due to the difference in density, the volume of muscle required to achieve a specific weight is much less than the volume of fat required to achieve the same weight and therefore when your body loses volume while retaining it's weight it is likely that your muscle volume has increased proportionality in relation to a decrease in fat volume".
I think the general public will get that.
It isn't like you intentionally used any words that are complicated.
Maybe having less of a run-on sentence could help people who would otherwise lose the thread.
The point is pandering to the stupidity and/or ignorance of people is not helping, obviously.
If it was helping then why are so many people overweight?
ESL may be a different story.
Non-native English speakers could always look it up in their native tongue(s) if comprehension is a problem.
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Every time I see a thread titled "can't eat enough calories, please help". Are you *kitten* kidding me? The sole reason you're on here is because you managed to eat more than enough for an extended period of time to get fat in the first place, makes me rage.31
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I was thinking the same thing.nutmegoreo wrote: »I have a couple thoughts about why people won't tell you. 1) They have done it in an unhealthy or less accepted way, and they don't want to be judged for it. 2) They have done it through something like calorie counting and have found that when they tell people their eyes will glaze over and be given a bunch of excuses, so feel it isn't worth the time and effort. 3) They have an illness that they don't wish to discuss.
People get different reactions based on the methodologies used.
Saying you had surgery instead of doing the work earns you less respect from me, but at least you admitted that you had surgery instead of acting like you worked as hard as everyone else.
I will admit that my viewpoint on this has changed over the years, I would have agreed with you at some point in the past. When I used the phrase "less accepted way" in the post you quoted I was thinking of surgery, primarily because it is often seen as the easy way out. I feel a bit differently about surgery, simply because I have spoken to several people about why they have chosen it. For many, it comes from a place of fear for their life and desperation. It also can have significant long-term effects throughout their life, so it certainly isn't an easy way out.9 -
I understand your point of view and freely admit that I can be judgemental of people that opt for surgery over hard work in this case.nutmegoreo wrote: »I will admit that my viewpoint on this has changed over the years, I would have agreed with you at some point in the past. When I used the phrase "less accepted way" in the post you quoted I was thinking of surgery, primarily because it is often seen as the easy way out. I feel a bit differently about surgery, simply because I have spoken to several people about why they have chosen it. For many, it comes from a place of fear for their life and desperation. It also can have significant long-term effects throughout their life, so it certainly isn't an easy way out.
The reasoning is that even if they elect surgery out of fear, desperation or any other number of factors, the reality is that they took the "easy way" for years to reach that point. By ignoring all of the opportunities to improve their diet and get sufficient exercise up until then they put themselves in that situation.
Again, I admit it is judgmental and definitely not "PC" but I know several people who lost lots of weight following surgeries who then put most -if not all- of the weight back in in a few years.
They never corrected the behaviors that put them in that state in the first place.
I have been told that the surgical procedures have changed and now it is harder (or even impossible) to put the weight back on but that means they are still relying on the surgery to do the work for them.
"Easy way out" doesn't mean it isn't scary or that there are not risks.
It just means it is easier to pay someone to cut you than it is to always be careful about what you eat and make sure you are moving enough.
I am judging them, I judge all sorts of people every day for all sorts of reasons. I'm just honest about it...
No, I'm not a nice person. But I try very hard to be a good one.11 -
I understand your point of view and freely admit that I can be judgemental of people that opt for surgery over hard work in this case.nutmegoreo wrote: »I will admit that my viewpoint on this has changed over the years, I would have agreed with you at some point in the past. When I used the phrase "less accepted way" in the post you quoted I was thinking of surgery, primarily because it is often seen as the easy way out. I feel a bit differently about surgery, simply because I have spoken to several people about why they have chosen it. For many, it comes from a place of fear for their life and desperation. It also can have significant long-term effects throughout their life, so it certainly isn't an easy way out.
The reasoning is that even if they elect surgery out of fear, desperation or any other number of factors, the reality is that they took the "easy way" for years to reach that point. By ignoring all of the opportunities to improve their diet and get sufficient exercise up until then they put themselves in that situation.
Again, I admit it is judgmental and definitely not "PC" but I know several people who lost lots of weight following surgeries who then put most -if not all- of the weight back in in a few years.
They never corrected the behaviors that put them in that state in the first place.
I have been told that the surgical procedures have changed and now it is harder (or even impossible) to put the weight back on but that means they are still relying on the surgery to do the work for them.
"Easy way out" doesn't mean it isn't scary or that there are not risks.
I am judging them, I judge all sorts of people every day for all sorts of reasons. I'm just honest about it...
No, I'm not a nice person. But I try very hard to be a good one.
It's a very complicated subject matter, and one where there will always be a variety of opinions. I agree that there are underlying concerns (often psychological issues) that must be addressed for long-term success, I also believe that if it can be done without surgery that would be preferable, if only to avoid the possible complications. I still don't see it as an easy way out. We will have to agree to disagree there. Perhaps this belongs in the "unpopular opinions" thread? :laugh:3 -
I'm not on here for that reason at all. I eat to gain muscle mass and fuel my workouts.nosebag1212 wrote: »Every time I see a thread titled "can't eat enough calories, please help". Are you *kitten* kidding me? The sole reason you're on here is because you managed to eat more than enough for an extended period of time to get fat in the first place, makes me rage.
Eating enough calories in a day is often an issue for me because I have to schedule extra food around coaching, working, teaching, lifting, etc...
/First_World_Problem
But I understand your point with most {overweight} people.
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"It's not a diet it's a lifestyle change"
I wonder if in a few years people will be saying "no dessert for me, I'm lifestyling"
But it IS a lifestyle change. Going from sitting in front of the TV and eating Dairy Queen 3x a week to taking evening walks and cooking healthy food and actually paying attention to your diet (noun, not verb) while avoiding 1300 calorie desserts you freaking LOVE - takes a considerable change in your actual lifestyle - believe me. And if you go back to your former lifestyle, you gain it back.
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Add me to the long list of people who hate the "my journey" expression. But mainly because I see it most from people who are trying to sell over-priced MLM junk.3
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I'm not keeping it a secret, I'm just annoyed with explaining it to person after person. It gets tiresome.PinkCuddleMonster wrote: »When people lose weight and than refuse to tell you how they did it. Like, why are you keeping the secret. That's so mean. Don't you want other people to feel good too?4 -
deluxmary2000 wrote: »Add me to the long list of people who hate the "my journey" expression. But mainly because I see it most from people who are trying to sell over-priced MLM junk.
You just helped me clarify what bugs me.
IT's a kind of faux-spiritual piece of jargon that you see a lot on blogs and sites where people are trying to monetize their daily life. It's an attempt to "upsell" something that is basic daily existence and convince other people of its importance.9 -
manderson27 wrote: »One thing that annoys me.
People who are trying to lose saying they can't eat more than 1000 calories a day since they started their diet 2 months ago. Really? You weigh 300 pounds and you don't know how to eat a bit MORE.
I started at 360+ lbs the very first time, I was doing 1200 calories a day (I cry thinking about the food I could have easily had) but honestly, after a few weeks, no. I was VERY full on 1200 calories a day. I wasn't working out, nor moving much and 1200 calories was easily enough. As I lost weight and I started to workout 1200 calories wasn't hardly enough.
Just saying.3 -
Just bloated! !1
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LadyLilion wrote: »"It's not a diet it's a lifestyle change" I wonder if in a few years people will be saying "no dessert for me, I'm lifestyling"
But it IS a lifestyle change. Going from sitting in front of the TV and eating Dairy Queen 3x a week to taking evening walks and cooking healthy food and actually paying attention to your diet (noun, not verb) while avoiding 1300 calorie desserts you freaking LOVE - takes a considerable change in your actual lifestyle - believe me. And if you go back to your former lifestyle, you gain it back.
I agree. I have been smh with may of the responses....especially on a fitness message board where we should be more forgiving and understanding. But, I'm taking it as people venting.6 -
martinemarbella wrote: »I'm sure this won't go down too well but my personal bete noire is 'my journey'. Makes me cringe!
YES!! This drives me insane! You aren't on a "journey". It's fricken' work. The other thing that drives me nuts is "shifting" weight. Weight doesn't "shift". You either lose it or gain it.6 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »
I understand your point of view and freely admit that I can be judgemental of people that opt for surgery over hard work in this case.nutmegoreo wrote: »I will admit that my viewpoint on this has changed over the years, I would have agreed with you at some point in the past. When I used the phrase "less accepted way" in the post you quoted I was thinking of surgery, primarily because it is often seen as the easy way out. I feel a bit differently about surgery, simply because I have spoken to several people about why they have chosen it. For many, it comes from a place of fear for their life and desperation. It also can have significant long-term effects throughout their life, so it certainly isn't an easy way out.
The reasoning is that even if they elect surgery out of fear, desperation or any other number of factors, the reality is that they took the "easy way" for years to reach that point. By ignoring all of the opportunities to improve their diet and get sufficient exercise up until then they put themselves in that situation.
Again, I admit it is judgmental and definitely not "PC" but I know several people who lost lots of weight following surgeries who then put most -if not all- of the weight back in in a few years.
They never corrected the behaviors that put them in that state in the first place.
I have been told that the surgical procedures have changed and now it is harder (or even impossible) to put the weight back on but that means they are still relying on the surgery to do the work for them.
"Easy way out" doesn't mean it isn't scary or that there are not risks.
I am judging them, I judge all sorts of people every day for all sorts of reasons. I'm just honest about it...
No, I'm not a nice person. But I try very hard to be a good one.
It's a very complicated subject matter, and one where there will always be a variety of opinions. I agree that there are underlying concerns (often psychological issues) that must be addressed for long-term success, I also believe that if it can be done without surgery that would be preferable, if only to avoid the possible complications. I still don't see it as an easy way out. We will have to agree to disagree there. Perhaps this belongs in the "unpopular opinions" thread? :laugh:
I agree with this, and want to elaborate on my thought process. I hate it when people assign moral points to weight gain and weight loss. In many threads there's this underlying morality game going on where you get more or less negative points for weight gain depending on how it happened - more negative points for gaining weight just because of overeating and/or lack of activity, fewer points if you have an underlying medical condition or an eating disorder). Then you get positive points for how you lose the weight - the harder it is the more points you get. Often WLS rates 0 points, and appetite suppressants maybe a 1. I see this as a sort of crime-and-punishment scenario, where gaining weight is a crime ranging from misdemeanor to felony, and the sentence is dependent on the severity of the crime. I honestly think there are more than a few people who feel there should be a circle in hell reserved for people who die obese.12 -
"The most accurate time to weigh yourself is _______"
As if you can time your fluctuations....or if somehow the scale is more accurate at a certain time.
I know I get a lot of resistance on this one....there is no "consistency" in that; there are simply too many variables....2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »TONE!!
and "I don't wanna get too bulky."
:grumble:
eeww!2 -
"Muscle weighs more than fat."
Also when you go to eat something unhealthy and people start "don't ruin your diet", "aren't you on a diet", "how can you eat that on a diet". Ummm worry about yourself, howbowdah.
I cannot take it, it makes me want to scream every time.4 -
When the Doc says "Good luck with the diet!". Makes me wanna throttle him.3
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"Everyone has time to exercise. Just get up an hour early and go to the gym."
This makes me homicidal. Using myself as an example - and I am by no means unique - when I was working I worked 10 hours a day and had a 4 hour commute. I barely got 6 hours of sleep a night. But hey, I was just lazing around in bed when I could have been fitting that all-important workout into my day instead of lazing around in bed. But I guess my health just wasn't a priority.18 -
MsMaeFlowers wrote: »When overweight people try to sell me this amazing ~whatever~ to help me lose weight and be skinny.
If it worked as well as you're trying to tell me, you would be skinny.
THIS. I had a guy try to sell me ketones at the farmer's market the other day. He was twice my size.4 -
I hate the word "journey" in the same way I hate when someone says, "the moon must be full." ummm... you do know that the moon is "always full" right????3
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