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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
Unless the food is coming out unprocessed (like corn), then no. What comes out it pretty much devoid of calories. The impact is minimal.
But it is weight loss
Is it devoid of calories? Why do some animals eat it?
You can apparently eat deer poop in survival situations. Natures true granola bar.
LOL not sure about how many calories it has but it does have a good chunk of nutrients that your body did not absorb at the time. There is a limit to how much certain vitamins/minerals/etc your body can take in and store a day so the extra is eliminated in waste which explains why it is beneficial to eat in certain survival situations. I would be SOOOOOO interested in a study performed finding out how many calories are in an average persons poop. Yes I'm weird, but you got me interested. :P
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
Unless the food is coming out unprocessed (like corn), then no. What comes out it pretty much devoid of calories. The impact is minimal.
But it is weight loss
Is it devoid of calories? Why do some animals eat it?
You can apparently eat deer poop in survival situations. Natures true granola bar.
LOL not sure about how many calories it has but it does have a good chunk of nutrients that your body did not absorb at the time. There is a limit to how much certain vitamins/minerals/etc your body can take in and store a day so the extra is eliminated in waste which explains why it is beneficial to eat in certain survival situations. I would be SOOOOOO interested in a study performed finding out how many calories are in an average persons poop. Yes I'm weird, but you got me interested. :P
There was. They were looking at how gut bacteria affect absorption of calories. Don't feel like looking for it but it was between 1% and 10% of calories, depending on the mix of bacteria.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
Unless the food is coming out unprocessed (like corn), then no. What comes out it pretty much devoid of calories. The impact is minimal.
But it is weight loss
Is it devoid of calories? Why do some animals eat it?
You can apparently eat deer poop in survival situations. Natures true granola bar.
LOL not sure about how many calories it has but it does have a good chunk of nutrients that your body did not absorb at the time. There is a limit to how much certain vitamins/minerals/etc your body can take in and store a day so the extra is eliminated in waste which explains why it is beneficial to eat in certain survival situations. I would be SOOOOOO interested in a study performed finding out how many calories are in an average persons poop. Yes I'm weird, but you got me interested. :P
There was. They were looking at how gut bacteria affect absorption of calories. Don't feel like looking for it but it was between 1% and 10% of calories, depending on the mix of bacteria.
Gut bacteria is constantly in flux due to syntrophy - the absorption rate fluctuates within days. There's a great deal of comparative data gained from fistulated swine and cows.1 -
I imagine there wouldn't be a tremendous amount of variability by GI system - e.g. all ruminant animal scat would be similar by weight/volume. Should all fall inside the established 20% margin of error.
I know we have a few scientists and at least one mortician. Any scatologists?
I think another word for veterinarian is probably scatologist, lol1 -
I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.2 -
foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
Where did you get this 20lbs max from? According to Health Canada the recommended weight gain for a normal BMI like myself was 25-35lbs. I gained 40lbs with my first (but I retained a lot of water) and 35lbs with my second. I can assure you I gained the perfect amount for my stats, I was really fit with my second too, you could pretty much still see ab definition with my bump in the middle. 7 -
foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
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foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
Or you could learn to translate the cravings into interpreting correctly what your body is deficient in, and eat appropriately in order to satisfy the cravings and nutritional needs of the baby.
Gaining extra weight isn't going to hurt the child. Not gaining enough and not getting proper nutrients. WILL!6 -
foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
I agree with the first sentence. It's crazy how much weight many women gain during pregnancy.
But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.7 -
I think pregnant women should do whatever it takes to have a healthy baby and maintain their sanity. Making a human ain't a walk in the park.33
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foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
The 1960s called; they want their bad pregnancy advice back. Pro tip: it is also not a good idea to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day to keep your weight gain to between 10 and 20 lbs.17 -
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards.
Yes, she was still having her period.
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process.
They do it without eating whole boxes of crackers, tubs of ice cream, or anything else.
No need to eat like a piggy -pregnant or not- just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.7 -
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards...
No need to eat like a piggy just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process...
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.
What malnourished women can do and have their children somehow survive probably isn't the best basis for determining how much weight gain is optimal for a woman with regular access to food. I'm assuming we share the base assumption that we're going for "optimal," not just "what we can live through."
I'm not saying that unlimited weight gain is appropriate for a pregnant woman, but we can refer to actual data on outcomes to determine the right amount. Given that women start at different weights, a blanket recommendation for everyone probably doesn't make sense.
Keep in mind that some pregnancy cravings are accompanied by strong aversions to other foods or even an inability to keep certain types of foods down in some stages of pregnancy. If you can't eat very much, it's better to eat what you're craving than nothing at all (in most cases).20 -
foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
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You are seriously laying down the laws of weight-management for pregnant women? Because you know that every pregnant woman who is underweight, overweight, or suffers from a medical condition "shouldn't gain more than 20lbs". And everyone can eat 300kcal more than usual in later stages. Can I ask where you got your medical degree?
eta: you are getting pushback because you didn't leave your unpopular opinion as just an opinion, but went on to state as an absolute for all pregnant women things that apparently applied to you during your pregnancy.6 -
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards.
Yes, she was still having her period.
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process.
They do it without eating whole boxes of crackers, tubs of ice cream, or anything else.
No need to eat like a piggy -pregnant or not- just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.
I would suggest that a simple comparison of health statistics and longevity between the 2 Koreas will quickly reveal the impact of malnourishment on the health of children.13 -
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards.
Yes, she was still having her period.
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process.
They do it without eating whole boxes of crackers, tubs of ice cream, or anything else.
No need to eat like a piggy -pregnant or not- just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.
It blows my mind that someone (and I know it happens) doesn't know they're pregnant until the baby comes.
Was your wife overweight? I can't even.
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These past 2 Sundays I ate a high number of carbs. Bread. Lots of bread. These past 2 Mondays I recorded a multi-lb weight loss. That's not just an opinion, that's a fact. It's a fact that I wasn't expecting to observe, ever. But, wow.0
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What / how much they can eat and still deliver a viable life form with is the basis for this discussion and I am going by what multiple studies have shown.janejellyroll wrote: »What malnourished women can do and have their children somehow survive probably isn't the best basis for determining how much weight gain is optimal for a woman with regular access to food. I'm assuming we share the base assumption that we're going for "optimal," not just "what we can live through."
Moving the goalpost to what is "best" or "optimal" is changing the subject and far more arbitrary.
"Aversions" to food is a First-World luxury. What difference does it make?
If you are starving and have to live on flies and grubs for protein you will get over your "aversions" in short order.
Many First-World women frequently like to try to come up with excuses for their excessive weight gain and habits while pregnant like it is a special biological process in for them compared to everyone else.
Special snowflakes, different from the most of the world. Sound familiar?
https://www.fitpregnancy.com/nutrition/prenatal-nutrition/women-gain-too-much-weight-while-pregnant
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-weight-gain.htm
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-pregnant-women-weight-gain-20151105-story.html
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/healthy-weight-gain
The average healthy, recommended amount of weight gain is around 25lbs. Less is you are already fat, more if you are underweight.
Like I said. Unpopular, but true.7 -
No she was not and never was overweight.cmriverside wrote: »
It blows my mind that someone (and I know it happens) doesn't know they're pregnant until the baby comes.
Was your wife overweight? I can't even.
She still had her period the whole time.
She is it better shape the vast majority of women, in my experience.
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foodhasfeelingstoo wrote: »I think pregnant women should not eat everything they crave and gain so much weight.
It's a dangerous believe that might affect eating habits of the baby and might even contribute to obesity. I think being pregnant in later stages you can eat 300kcal more than usual and shouldn't gain more than 20lbs including the baby in you. I'd ask a doctor and do some research for specific facts though.
What / how much they can eat and still deliver a viable life form with is the basis for this discussion and I am going by what multiple studies have shown.janejellyroll wrote: »What malnourished women can do and have their children somehow survive probably isn't the best basis for determining how much weight gain is optimal for a woman with regular access to food. I'm assuming we share the base assumption that we're going for "optimal," not just "what we can live through."
Moving the goalpost to what is "best" or "optimal" is changing the subject and far more arbitrary.
"Aversions" to food is a First-World luxury. What difference does it make?
If you are starving and have to live on flies and grubs for protein you will get over your "aversions" in short order.
Many First-World women frequently like to try to come up with excuses for their excessive weight gain and habits while pregnant like it is a special biological process in for them compared to everyone else.
Special snowflakes, different from the most of the world. Sound familiar?
https://www.fitpregnancy.com/nutrition/prenatal-nutrition/women-gain-too-much-weight-while-pregnant
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-weight-gain.htm
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-pregnant-women-weight-gain-20151105-story.html
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/healthy-weight-gain
The average healthy, recommended amount of weight gain is around 25lbs. Less is you are already fat, more if you are underweight.
Like I said. Unpopular, but true.
Person 1 says 20.
Person 2 says around 25.
Link 1 provided by person 2 says 25-40 and
Link 2 says the same as link 1, as does link 3 and link 4.While a few pounds above the threshold is probably fine, it seems many women are gaining more pounds than recommended.
So 25 pounds is a good minimum, unless you're morbidly obese.
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