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The issue with bottled water is that public utilities already pipe potable water right into most people's homes for a fraction of the cost, without the additional resources involved in packaging and shipping it around. Beer and soda aren't piped into every home like that.
Oh, but I can dream.
Thinking up a new business plan - craft beer piped directly to your home!11 -
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
I feel like this about Gluten Free!! Unless you have an actual medical reason to be gluten free, there is no reason to jump on the gluten free band wagon. Unless, you know, you LIKE paying an extra 50% for your food.
Some doctors are even condemning these restrictive diets as they can actually be harmful.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/gluten-free-diet-harmful-people-without-coeliac-disease-health-benefits-a7713711.html
And just to add, gluten free substitutes for baked goods are often higher calorie than the original.1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I have a vegan (and epic pretty terrible person, I keep her for the carcrash can't look away element) on my FB and she posted a meme about people asking where they get their protein with an image of almond milk. Oh how I laughed.
I have a particular hate for almond milk in terms of the cost to the environment, but I haven't researched that in a while, so I could admittedly be off based about it. I thought at one point I read that it took insane amounts of water to grow almonds, and the almond milk industry has increased demand so much that it was contributing to the strain in certain drought areas. It kinda leads me into a rant about water -_- . . . not ALL water, just bottled water and anything and everything produced by Nestle (to include food products and subsidiaries!), but that's another topic altogether
*whew* that feels kinda good
I've never understood why bottled water seems to arouse more outrage, environmentally speaking, than soda/pop or beer, among other beverages. They all involved taking a bunch of water, putting it in bottles, and shipping it all over the place. Do the sugar/sweetener and flavorings somehow remove the taint, despite being a small percentage by volume?
Does the cows drinking the water in order to create milk somehow exonerate dairy drinks, compared to bottled water?
Even wine and pure, fresh juices simply run the water through the precipitation cycle, before making the beverage - does that make it less environmentally worrisome?
(I'm not stumping for Big Bev here: I drink mostly faucet water, and put that back into the local water table via septic system. I'm genuinely puzzled about the narrow bottled water focus of activism.)
I always figured it was because I can't just go to my faucet and refill my bottle with anything but water. Oh, how good that would be.
It's probably a very good thing I don't have Dr. Pepper on tap!
If only! Except it would have to be diet coke :-)2 -
Lol, okay so drinking 1lb of water must mean they gained 1lb of lean mass. Dem gainz. Lol, why even bother with protein, working out or eating right if all you need to gain "lean mass" is drink water.RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Lol, then by that logic, you must "burn" it off and lose it every time you sweat, pee, or breathe. Oh, no's gotta drink some water cause my mass went down! Dude, stick to broscience it sounds more logical.
It's HARDER with hypothyroid, but it STILL comes down to CICO. You CAN'T gain MASS by eating less than you burn. You can retain water, but that's not REAL weight in terms of body composition (lean mass and fat).007dualitygirl wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Not true. Hypothyroid causes me much grief. If I eat too little, all metabolic hell breaks lose and I gain weight. There is a balance that is required. Many times people are eating TOO FEW calories and their body is on lockdown.
A calculator can say "you burned 1500 calories today" and you can eat 1000 calories, but if in reality, you only burned 1000 calories that day because you have metabolic syndrome or hypothyroidism, you will not see results at all.
Point being that you have to take responsibility for increasing your metabolism along with keeping your caloric intake at bay.
That being said, if there are no real metabolic issues -- then I totally agree.
For metabolic issues, FIX the metabolism problem ... people say they have a slow metabolism while drinking alcohol everyday, never lifting weights to increase muscle mass, never doing HiiT cardio ... never working on their stress levels ... etc -- well that is irresponsible.
I'm going to go have my wine now and stop complaining about how I can't lose 20 pounds
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Oh yes the legendary "fake" weight then it must be?
If its not lean mass or fat mass, what could it be?
Water is lean mass
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What do you mean "by that logic", its fact.
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Yep. Which is why bio impedance readings can become skewed. More water in the body reduces electrolyte conductivity resulting in someone seeming to have higher body fat % than they really do.
It's HARDER with hypothyroid, but it STILL comes down to CICO. You CAN'T gain MASS by eating less than you burn. You can retain water, but that's not REAL weight in terms of body composition (lean mass and fat).007dualitygirl wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Not true. Hypothyroid causes me much grief. If I eat too little, all metabolic hell breaks lose and I gain weight. There is a balance that is required. Many times people are eating TOO FEW calories and their body is on lockdown.
A calculator can say "you burned 1500 calories today" and you can eat 1000 calories, but if in reality, you only burned 1000 calories that day because you have metabolic syndrome or hypothyroidism, you will not see results at all.
Point being that you have to take responsibility for increasing your metabolism along with keeping your caloric intake at bay.
That being said, if there are no real metabolic issues -- then I totally agree.
For metabolic issues, FIX the metabolism problem ... people say they have a slow metabolism while drinking alcohol everyday, never lifting weights to increase muscle mass, never doing HiiT cardio ... never working on their stress levels ... etc -- well that is irresponsible.
I'm going to go have my wine now and stop complaining about how I can't lose 20 pounds
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Oh yes the legendary "fake" weight then it must be?
If its not lean mass or fat mass, what could it be?
Water is lean mass
Well to be precise, water weight is fat free mass which is a component that is used to help determine lean body mass. So no, it's not lean mass, it's a component of.
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+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
I feel like this about Gluten Free!! Unless you have an actual medical reason to be gluten free, there is no reason to jump on the gluten free band wagon. Unless, you know, you LIKE paying an extra 50% for your food.
Some doctors are even condemning these restrictive diets as they can actually be harmful.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/gluten-free-diet-harmful-people-without-coeliac-disease-health-benefits-a7713711.html
Can I say that I hope this doesn't change soon? My wife is gluten intolerant (as well as many other things) and the current GF fad is making sure she has more options and even better pricing than just a few years ago. So, it is helpful to her.9 -
I think it's true that way more people avoid gluten than really have a reason to, and I personally don't have an issue with gluten and don't avoid it, but I can't imagine that not eating gluten has any negative health effects. It's nice that more stuff is available for people who are celiac (or otherwise have issues).3
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Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?5
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
How stale is the bread? I recently learned on MFP that stale bread weighs less so more calories because less water.
Or something.
This is so confusing.6 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?1 -
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\veronikamellon wrote: »Ya'll will slaughter me here but I believe there is more to CICO than meets the eye. Human body is not a car engine, it is much more complex. There are multiple variables that can throw the math off. Heck even the calorie intake and burn measurements are often extremely imprecise. Until they invent some sort of an implant that measures exactly how much is consumed and burned, I will remain skeptical. That being said, I still log calories, since it is a working method, albeit imperfect.
So explain to me how I've lost nearly 70 pounds using such a flawed, imprecise, imperfect system.
I didn't do keto or low carb. I didn't fast, nor did I go paleo, vegetarian or vegan. I didn't cut a single thing out of my diet. I didn't detox, cleanse, drink ACV or Shakeology, nor did I take "fat burners" or appetite suppressants. I'm 54 years old, I drink diet soda daily, eat fast food several times a week, don't even track my sugar intake and still eat candy, ice cream, etc. I drink beer and hard alcohol on occasion. I eat plenty of red meat and am not in the least scared of carbs or fats.
In short, I haven't done any of the "tricks" or fads that people think help with weight loss. All I've done is count calories (even eyeballing a large portion of my meals rather than using a food scale), maintained a reasonable deficit and exercised consistently. I've refined my calorie goals based upon feedback obtained from the scale and anthropomorphic measurements as I went along. My blood pressure has lowered significantly, my GERD is completely gone, my RHR has dropped to the high 40s/low 50s, my bodyfat has gone from about 35% to around 15% and I have no medical/health issues whatsoever. I'm in the best health and physical condition that I've been since my teens and if I could go back in time I could easily kick my 20, 30 or 40 year-old butt.
So I guess my unpopular opinion is that not only does CICO work, it's the only thing that works. It's the only way anybody loses weight, whether they choose to recognize that fact or not. You can refuse to believe in gravity, but you're still going to hit the ground when you jump out of a tree.
haha you get so defensive it's crazy.
She never said flawed. She said imperfect and imprecise. Which is 100% is. Everyone makes it seem like this easy formula that you just plug in what you burn, and then eat 500 less than that and you lose weight. Yeah, if it was that easy no one would ever have any issues. But you NEVER really know what your calorie expenditure is, at best it's an educated guess, and most of the time it's based off some random calculator online that knows NOTHING about you, your health, your body functions, your lean mass, your bone structure, NOTHING. It just says, most men, at your age, who are that tall are expected to burn this much.
That's why when people offer for people to try and lose 0.5 pound per week its absolutely ridiculous. That's so small of a deficit that one day you might be in a deficit and the next you might be in a surplus because one day you went to work and sat around all day, and that Saturday you took your kid to a soccer game and burned the extra 250 calories walking for 45 min to and from the field and getting everything set up.
People on here make it seem soooooo easy it's terrible to watch people just say to count your calories and stay under your calorie goal, that's all that matters for weight loss, yeah, and in 6 weeks when that same calorie count is only having you lose 1 pound a week instead of 2, you know why, because your body is screwed from eating crap the last 6 weeks and your body isn't able to function appropriately an d has slowed down your metabolic functions.
I guess you missed the part where I said "I refined my calorie goals based upon feedback from the scale and anthropomorphic measurements as I went along". No formula is perfect, but you have perfectly viable feedback mechanisms to measure whether it's working or not, and/or how much it's working. This ain't rocket science.
[ETA:] I'd be very interested to hear how you think weight loss works.
I am not arguing that the laws of thermodynamics aren't true.
What I am arguing is that it's not as easy as people make it out to be. It's not as easy as saying, well the treadmill said I burned 500 calories on the treadmill and this chocolate bar is 500 calories, so if I do this everyday, I can eat this chocolate bar everyday and just walk on the treadmill everyday for 500 calories and not gain weight. That will not stand true. Over time your body starts to adjust and become more efficient. The second day you may only burn 499 calories even though the treadmill says you've burned 500, but the chocolate bar is still equally as dense. At some point you will become efficient enough where the calories in (chocolate bar) will exceed the calories out (treadmill), to the point where weight loss will slow or stall. If you have a huge deficit and are eating 1200 calories a day (which is seems like half the people on here are doing), which is absolutely ridiculous, of course you'll continue to lose weight, you're essentially starving yourself and it would be difficult to be in a surplus at that many calories.
CICO is not as easy as it seems. And don't come back saying yeah it is cause I lost X amount of weight counting my calories. Yeah so what, so has everyone, but no one actually knows if they were being as efficient as they could be until after the fact, which is when you make adjustments for the future, but you still don't know how those adjustments will work until another future time.
Adaptation means I will either go farther in the same time, or faster for the same distance, not that the caloric burn will change for the same work.
If I walk 4 miles or 1 hour at 4 mph today, I will burn between 490-550 calories(according to MFP) If I walk the exact same distance in the exact same time tomorrow, I will burn the exact same calories.
As I get stronger, faster, I may go 4.5 miles in one hour... burning more calories... or I may go 4 miles in 50 minutes, burning slightly fewer calories. But If I walk the exact same speed for the exact same time, I will burn the exact same calories...
Now, if I'm in a deficit, I'll weigh less next week, and by virtue of the reduction in weight, I will in fact burn fewer calories, but that's got nothing to do with adaptation, and everything to do with a measurable reduction in work... I could compensate by wearing a Titin. or by increasing my speed and distance
So I can lose weight by running after the ice cream truck, if I run far and fast enough?
This is the best news ever; thank you.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »Can I say that I hope this doesn't change soon? My wife is gluten intolerant (as well as many other things) and the current GF fad is making sure she has more options and even better pricing than just a few years ago. So, it is helpful to her.
My uncle, who has Celiac's, would agree wholeheartedly.
I sit over here in the corner nibbling on dry rabbit food when out to eat with my soy allergy, and wish avoiding soy would become the new rage.
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Christine_72 wrote: »
Australia. The food prices here are ridiculous. It's only my husband and I at home, and food is our biggest outgoing expense by far.
ETA: Just one example that gripes me is when people complain about paying over $4 for a tub of Halotop, when i pay $12 a pint here
Last time i checked, a medium (USA small size) big mac meal deal thingo was around $9-10, not even take away is cheap here! 2 movie tickets will set you back around $36.
I pay $38 for two movie tickets, but that is VIP here (big, reclining chairs; service staff to bring food; plenty of leg room).1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »
Australia. The food prices here are ridiculous. It's only my husband and I at home, and food is our biggest outgoing expense by far.
ETA: Just one example that gripes me is when people complain about paying over $4 for a tub of Halotop, when i pay $12 a pint here Last time i checked, a medium (USA small size) big mac meal deal thingo was around $9-10, not even take away is cheap here! 2 movie tickets will set you back around $36.
I pay $38 for two movie tickets, but that is VIP here (big, reclining chairs; service staff to bring food; plenty of leg room).
From memory, the tickets for "gold class", which is the same as you described, are $41 each here, that's the bare minimum price too. Totally not worth it!0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
Unless the food is coming out unprocessed (like corn), then no. What comes out it pretty much devoid of calories. The impact is minimal.
But it is weight loss
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And just to add, gluten free substitutes for baked goods are often higher calorie than the original.
That's crazy, cos everyone I know who tries to lose weight usually goes straight to the gluten free section!!Tacklewasher wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
I feel like this about Gluten Free!! Unless you have an actual medical reason to be gluten free, there is no reason to jump on the gluten free band wagon. Unless, you know, you LIKE paying an extra 50% for your food.
Some doctors are even condemning these restrictive diets as they can actually be harmful.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/gluten-free-diet-harmful-people-without-coeliac-disease-health-benefits-a7713711.html
Can I say that I hope this doesn't change soon? My wife is gluten intolerant (as well as many other things) and the current GF fad is making sure she has more options and even better pricing than just a few years ago. So, it is helpful to her.
It's good to know someone is benefiting from the GF fads. In this case, I hope the GF fad keeps going too!!
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Barring physical anomaly that is direct contraindication (e.g., any form of aortic or vascular dissection, any form of aortic graft, known history of malignant ventricular tachyarrhthmia, osteogenesis imperfecta, etc.), you're a damned fool if you haven't lifted weights on at least a linear progression program.5
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Sooooooo I just had a 500ml coffee. Did I up my lean mass by about a lb? What happens when I take a poop? Is that lean mass, or not? What about the toast I'm digesting? Is the toast lean mass and the butter fat?
Probably a weird and gross question, but I have always wondered how defecation effects CICO, lol. Like, If I consume 2000 kcal, but then some of that food is processed out as waste, does that change the CICO balance, and in what way?
I don't know if this would be detectable. Perhaps in overfeed/underfeed experiments? It's a biological system and carries a great deal of inefficiencies and variables, but this does not amount to much in terms of energy gain/loss.
I am increasingly fascinated with adaptive thermogenesis, but there is little evidence showing that this has much of an impact over time. There are now several overfeed (10,000 kcal/day) studies where the participants undergo a daily BMR/REE and DEXA scan and post the results and showing dramatic increases in BMR within 24 hrs after this overfeeding. BMR levels off to normal within 48 hrs. The DEXA results consistently show ~1% increase in bodyfat over the 48 hr time period.3 -
There are now several overfeed (10,000 kcal/day) studies where the participants undergo a daily BMR/REE and DEXA scan and post the results and showing dramatic increases in BMR within 24 hrs after this overfeeding. BMR levels off to normal within 48 hrs. The DEXA results consistently show ~1% increase in bodyfat over the 48 hr time period.
Science FTW!!
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Agreed. I can't imagine not eating gluten would be "bad" for someone in any way. It aren't "essential" by any means.lemurcat12 wrote: »I think it's true that way more people avoid gluten than really have a reason to, and I personally don't have an issue with gluten and don't avoid it, but I can't imagine that not eating gluten has any negative health effects. It's nice that more stuff is available for people who are celiac (or otherwise have issues).
Now, if they replace gluten with all kinds of nonsense, perhaps...
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