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It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.2 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
Or it could be evidence based instead of muh feelz.8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »- Last thought, I hear all the time about people "giving up" or "quitting" soda. It's not easy, most experience headaches and feel like crap while trying to quit. Many fail, or have to whim themselves off over time..... Come on! What the *kitten* are they putting in our food that grown adults have such a hard time "quitting" something like soda... How in the hell is some poor little boy or girl going to stand a chance against billion dollar industries with a university of chemist behind them.
Caffeine. Same reason people experience minor side effects when quitting coffee sometimes. I have, it's no biggie.
I have also quit soda, and found it extremely easy. Currently I don't drink it much, so don't see any reason to cut it out, but it's absolutely no hardship to skip it. Coffee, on the other hand, I'd miss a lot, so I do get why it's hard to give up something you love. This is separate from the minor addictive effect of caffeine -- I am not talking about getting headaches -- but just my enjoyment of the ritual of drinking coffee and my pleasure in it, so I'd miss it.
There's nothing in my coffee but coffee.- These companies also pay food engineers to come on forums like mfp to defend their products.
Evidence?5 -
stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Oh you people are going to hate me.
- Artificial flavors, preservatives, and sweeteners are terrible for you. If your a paleo preacher, you shouldn't defend artificial sweeteners in the same breath.
- If companies like Nestle, Tyson and McDonald's can make a buck by selling you poison in a box, they will not only do it, but will higher entire universities to figure out the best way to systematically do it, with the highest return. It's also strange how the same people who argue for their right to do so, are the same people that will deny they do so.
- Organic is not the scam, Coca-Cola, fast food, the Corn industry, factory farms, and Monsanto are the scam.
- The rise in obesity and heart disease is do in part to a systematic approach to profit as much as possible against the cost of your health...
- Last thought, I hear all the time about people "giving up" or "quitting" soda. It's not easy, most experience headaches and feel like crap while trying to quit. Many fail, or have to whim themselves off over time..... Come on! What the *kitten* are they putting are food that grown adults have such a hard time "quitting" something like soda... How in the hell is some poor little boy or girl going to stand a chance against billion dollar industries with a university of chemist behind them.
- These companies also pay food engineers to come on forums like mfp to defend their products.
Because as everyone knows, dead customers buy the most stuff.
Also "what they put in" soda is called caffeine, you might know it from drinks such as coffee and is probably the most deadly thing in a can of soda, i.e. it has the lowest lethal dose.
Ah, of course you beat me to it! ;-)0 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
Food labeling is mandatory.
Corn, wheat, etc all right there on the label.4 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
So you are suggesting those who are for the free market would support legislation which would require mandatory labeling of GMO's vice a voluntary labeling of non-GMO products by those companies who choose to have their products certified and labeled as such...
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
I'm not particularly "gov't should stay out of business" in that there are lots and lots of regulations I support, but I am generally pro market. IMO, that's why if organics and/or non GMOs are preferred by consumers (or a segment of them), producers adding voluntary labels to identify those products makes total sense. Same with labels about how animals were treated and so on. I have my own way of identifying foods I wish to buy (I mainly buy from local farms, although in the winter I buy produce conventionally and grown far away, since I live in a colder climate), but I fully support allowing voluntary non GMO and organic labels, as we do.
There is some dispute about how non GMO should be defined, which is why (one of the many reasons) it makes sense for those who care about avoiding them to define what qualifies for the label.All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
That's not true. Something I buy often that has a "no GMO" label is tofu (also tempeh), and I would not choose that above GMO tofu if they tasted the same and one was cheaper or if the GMO one tasted better. (Mostly I don't check.)
If you care, however, find the kind labeled no GMO.1 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
I'm contrarian. I will by the GMO's every time!5 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
I Agree! Food labeling for all irrational superstitions should be mandatory. In fact, there is a case to be made that all food that was touched in any way by a woman while she is biblical unclean is unfit for consumption by men. Records must be kept and labels must be legislated! Please don't tell me that you are afraid of letting the market decide. That could be the only possible reason you would be against this label.15 -
astronaught wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
I Agree! Food labeling for all irrational superstitions should be mandatory. In fact, there is a case to be made that all food that was touched in any way by a woman while she is biblical unclean is unfit for consumption by men. Records must be kept and labels must be legislated! Please don't tell me that you are afraid of letting the market decide. That could be the only possible reason you would be against this label.
Actually, that rule hasn't applied since 68CE, when the second temple was destroyed. But thanks for playing.8 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »astronaught wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
I Agree! Food labeling for all irrational superstitions should be mandatory. In fact, there is a case to be made that all food that was touched in any way by a woman while she is biblical unclean is unfit for consumption by men. Records must be kept and labels must be legislated! Please don't tell me that you are afraid of letting the market decide. That could be the only possible reason you would be against this label.
Actually, that rule hasn't applied since 68CE, when the second temple was destroyed. But thanks for playing.
Hey, just because you don't follow my irrational superstition doesn't make it invalid nor invalidate the very important need for labels.5 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
I'm not against labeling because I couldn't care less, but I would choose the one that tastes better. If I had no experience with either product I buy both and decide later which one I will continue buying. If there are several products I just grab whichever 2-3 products I reach for first and "look nice". Whether we want to admit it or not, packaging does influence buying decisions for the first purchase.1 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »It is true that people are much less likely to buy a product if it says "Contains Gmo's"
What I fail to understand is why all these "pro market", "Gov't should stay out of business" people are so afraid of letting the market decide what they want to consume.
All you people who are against labeling know damn well that if you walk into a store to buy dinner for your kids and see two versions of the same product at the same price and one says "Contains Gmo's" you're going to choose the other.
And if you don't care, thats okay, but plenty others do. Food labeling should not be something that is voted on, it should just be mandatory.
I personally ignore all irrelevant information on a package -- I don't use it to make purchasing decisions.
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Something else I don't understand...
What's it to you people whether or not the food industry is required to label Gmo's anyway?
How is it going to negatively effect you personally if a company is required to label their gmo products?
Guess what, if less people are buying their gmo products because of the label, that's a good thing for you gmo lovers because it will drive down the price right?
Labeling gmo products will not effect you negatively in any way, only positively... However, others do feel not labeling Gmo's could negatively effect them personally.
So who the hell are you, with no skin in the game, to tell everyone else they don't have a right to be informed about their products... And these are the same people who preach an ideology of libertarianism.9 -
stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This whole argument ties into my belief that there are two kinds of people in the world. Victims and Just-Get-On-With-It types.
We see it all the time on these forums and I know we all see it a hundred times a day IRL too.
The former hangs on to the past (past hurts/past events/past perceived injustices) and the latter looks to the next thing and how they can contribute in a meaningful, helpful way.
You can live in fear or live in faith - pick a side carefully.
Some people truly are victims though and deserve care and therapy to put the pieces of their lives back together. Even if they tried to just get on with it, they'd end up mentally ill through repressing and failing to deal with their past traumas. I think your opinion is too dismissive of trauma and doesn't recognise the impact it can have on a person's physical and mental health.
Everyone has (PAST) trauma.
Would you care to play, "My trauma is worse than your trauma?" I'm pretty sure I could hold my own in that.
My point is that the world goes forward, not backward. It's okay to have moments of sadness and grief and fear, but to then make that your life-view is tragic and a slap in the face to the rest of us who do deal with our pasts and do move on.
A tragic/scary/horrible event does not have to define anyone's life. Sure, they will continue to get triggered every now and then, but to give into those fears gives the PAST power. There is no power in the past. It is an illusion.
Hmmm I honestly don't think you could "hold your own" because it is clear you have zero understanding of trauma and absolutely no empathy for sufferers of PTSD. "Moments of sadness, grief and fear" indeed!
I almost want to see this play out.
I'd even be willing to jump in, because I KNOW I can hold my own.
I'm holding my own now.
TMI?13 -
I would fully expect people who identify as libertarian to reject increasing regulations around product labeling, especially where there isn't a compelling argument as to how it will increase public safety. "It won't impact me personally" isn't a reason why a libertarian would accept the government creating additional legal requirements for businesses.8
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Something else I don't understand...
What's it to you people whether or not the food industry is required to label Gmo's anyway?
How is it going to negatively effect you personally if a company is required to label their gmo products?
Guess what, if less people are buying their gmo products because of the label, that's a good thing for you gmo lovers because it will drive down the price right?
Labeling gmo products will not effect you negatively in any way, only positively... However, others do feel not labeling Gmo's could negatively effect them personally.
So who the hell are you, with no skin in the game, to tell everyone else they don't have a right to be informed about their products... And these are the same people who preach an ideology of libertarianism.
You have every right to be informed. Any company that wants to can label their products GMO free and you can buy solely those products.3 -
You people are right, oh poor Tyson, poor Nestlé, poor Kelloggs, why should these poor companies be forced to let Americans know what they did to the food we feed our children... The food industry, their the real victims here aren't they...?
Look people, here's the bottom line...
Labeling Gmo's would not effect you negatively in anyway, in fact to the contrary, labeling Gmo's only benefits you, even down to the cost of your own groceries.
But the fact is, these companies have billions of dollars behind them to convince you against your own interests.
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Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.2
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