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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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I think that protein supplements are a waste of time.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Semantics. Obesity = excess fat. When fat is unnaturally abundant it wrecks havoc with several systems. It's not an idle organ that just hangs there minding its own business. The mere act of being obese increases the risk for the top killer diseases. Is an active obese better off than an inactive obese? Sure, but an active lean person has better chances than both.
Semantics are important. Like the way you called fat people just "obese" and called thin people "lean person." Fun dehumanization in action. Why would "an obese" ever want to make healthy changes while being made to feel inhuman? We are not disagreeing, you just don't like my words. But they're important to me.
1. You twisted what amusedmonkey said. She didn't contrast an obese person vs. a fit lean person. She contrasted two categories of fit people - fit obese vs. fit lean people.
2. 'Obese' is a clinical term, it's medical terminology. It doesn't describe everything about a person other than their body weight relative to their height. You are the one conflating obesity and identity, thus dehumanizing people.
Probably because she is relatively new to these forums she is reading my post out of context. Those who know me here know that I'm currently obese and formerly morbidly obese, and that I have a certain mindset about it all that is the opposite of dehumanizing.15 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
Nah they just aren't allowed to do it in most places and get graphic reminders about how they're slowly killing themselves every time they buy their vice.
How would you feel if every time you bought a loaf of bread it had a label saying "hey, obesity causes diabetes and heart disease, it makes you impotent, *kitten* with your hormones, you'll die earlier."
* with pictures of cut open obese corpses, fat covered hearts and stuff like that.
Thailand had campaign against diabetes with "Sweet Kills" posters that are very graphic. They are done up to represent the types of wounds people get on their limbs from diabetes, but with dessert foods.
A little off the mark, because context, yo, but still, compelling:
http://www.boredpanda.com/sweet-kills-sugar-harm-advertisement-uncontrolled-diabetes-wounds/
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
Nah they just aren't allowed to do it in most places and get graphic reminders about how they're slowly killing themselves every time they buy their vice.
How would you feel if every time you bought a loaf of bread it had a label saying "hey, obesity causes diabetes and heart disease, it makes you impotent, *kitten* with your hormones, you'll die earlier."
* with pictures of cut open obese corpses, fat covered hearts and stuff like that.
Thailand had campaign against diabetes with "Sweet Kills" posters that are very graphic. They are done up to represent the types of wounds people get on their limbs from diabetes, but with dessert foods.
A little off the mark, because context, yo, but still, compelling:
http://www.boredpanda.com/sweet-kills-sugar-harm-advertisement-uncontrolled-diabetes-wounds/
Oh, man! Too bad you can't lick your own elbow.
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Here's my unpopular opinion:
Far too many people with disordered behavior are quick to diagnose perfectly ordinary people with healthy behavior as being disordered because those people are doing something that had, in the past, been used in a disordered way by those judging them.
Some people compulsively wash their hands, or flip light switches, or brush their teeth. And for these people, how they do it is disordered.
This does not mean that any of these behaviors are, in and of themselves, "bs", "disordered", or what have you.
It means that those people have a problem and a perfectly normal behavior triggers that problem.
In other words, stop judging the rest of us.24 -
stanmann571 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »denversillygoose wrote: »You can be an athlete and be a "stoner" at the same time.
Michael Phelps?
also - what is "stoner" to you?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1152611-25-elite-athletes-who-also-smoke-pot
Someone needs to pass this to Jeff Sessions.6 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
Or perhaps you don't see what doesn't affect you.
I used to smoke and people would absolutely call me out when I was walking down the street. Or into a restaurant. When I was a waitress in a restaurant with a smoking section we would get activist groups come in specifically to harass the people in the smoking section.
I'm sorry to hear that. I do think it might just be accepted where I live. I have several good friends who smoke and have never heard any of this walking down the street with them.
I don't smoke and don't really like smoking (it's more pleasant for me that it's not permitted in restaurants or indoor places in general any more), but I have friends who are smokers and see smokers get flack all the time. For example, being told that it's unhealthy by random people (as if they are idiots), exaggerated hand waving and coughing, stuff like that.
On the other hand, in all the time I was fat, I didn't get people coming up to me and telling me I was fat or saying ugh (I did get occasional nonsense from jerks but it was unclear it was related to being fat, as I get stuff occasionally but rarely from passing men when not fat too that feels similar). I had one friend mention it in a well-meaning way. Now, I was very conscious of being overweight and felt unattractive (but a LOT of that is from me and is my stuff, I saw women as heavy as me who seemed to feel great about themselves physically).
Anyway, I've kind of lost track of why this is relevant to this particular thread.
People think smoking is bad for you and increases risk, and it does. Not all smokers will get some smoking related disease. Similarly, people think obesity is bad for you and increases risk, and it does. Not all overweight people will get some health problem that obesity contributes to, and it's not always that simple to isolate causes.
I don't understand why you would deny that obesity is a risk factor for many health issues, T2D being one of the most obvious.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion:
Far too many people with disordered behavior are quick to diagnose perfectly ordinary people with healthy behavior as being disordered because those people are doing something that had, in the past, been used in a disordered way by those judging them.
Some people compulsively wash their hands, or flip light switches, or brush their teeth. And for these people, how they do it is disordered.
This does not mean that any of these behaviors are, in and of themselves, "bs", "disordered", or what have you.
It means that those people have a problem and a perfectly normal behavior triggers that problem.
In other words, stop judging the rest of us.
Quite. I check for my keys about 50 times before I leave my flat. Some may think it could be the start/a symptom of OCD. When in fact, I live alone and no-one has a spare set other than my not local landlord. It's mitigating the chances of me getting locked out of my flat and is a healthy behaviour I have developed.
Exercising, logging my food, reading food labels, weighing myself regularly (and unemotionally); are all healthy behaviours I have developed in order to get to and maintain a healthy weight. For some people those can indeed be unhealthy behaviours. For most it's health management.9 -
dybbukgirl wrote: »Oh gosh, and here's the biggest unpopular opinion: Macros matter more than calories. If all your calories come from just fat, or just carbs, things probably aren't going to work for you. You need to calculate your macro needs!
I would agree that eating all fat or all protein or all carbs would be super unhealthy, but I still think macros aren't that important for most people.
The range of healthy (if you have an otherwise healthy diet) macro break downs is ENORMOUS, and almost no one eats outside such a range naturally. Traditional diets (which generally seem not to have associated health issues) are all over the place when it comes to macros.
My unpopular (maybe?) opinion is that the specific sources of the carbs, fat, and protein in your diet are more important than the percentages of them. That's why I prefer the term "flexible dieting" to IIFYM.3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
FWIW, I live in a university town (U.S.A.) and the entire campus, multiple square miles (for 40,000-some students), indoors & out, is a no smoking zone.6 -
It's not the Gluten... It's the round-up,5
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MJ2victory wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death
You are playing a semantic game to support an unreasonable position. Obesity is not a disease, but a physical state, as such is not singularly tracked. Perhaps you need to further study the semantic use of "linked", "correlation", "causation", and "risk" in these reports.
This is akin to stating that no one starves to death, but their organs eventually fail and that lack of nutrients poses a higher risk factor to those starving. The end point is still premature death, regardless of your semantics.
Curious - if so adamant with the notion that being obese is perfectly healthy then why did you join MFP?
So perhaps what we're learning is that my most unpopular opinion is that words matter.
I never said that being obese is "perfectly healthy" but I do think that fixation on weight is unhealthy.
I joined MFP to be more conscientious of what I'm eating to avoid instances of overeating. Because although overeating makes me sick, it is pleasant in the moment and can be a mindless habit. I've decided that I deserve to feel well and want to take steps to do so. As I've stated before, weight loss may end up being a byproduct of making more sensible choices but is not my aim.7 -
Idk what the big issue is with macros. When I first calculated what all I was eating, it was like 90% carbs and a marginal amount of protein and fat. I think a lot of poor folk who just eat ramen (me in the past) would benefit more from a focus on education regarding macros instead of the general "Eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" If you eat 2 packs of ramen a day instead of 3, has your diet really changed for the better?
Plus, tons of people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or who have hypothyroidism or PCOS won't benefit just from a calorie deficit if they aren't monitoring their carb intake. When they go out and try the whole "eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" thing, and it doesn't work, then they give up. Figuring out your macros isn't hard, there's tons of handy calculators all over the internet, it's not like it's difficult to plug in your stats. Checking the nutrition of a product/recipe is a habit that'll only bring you good things.7 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death
You are playing a semantic game to support an unreasonable position. Obesity is not a disease, but a physical state, as such is not singularly tracked. Perhaps you need to further study the semantic use of "linked", "correlation", "causation", and "risk" in these reports.
This is akin to stating that no one starves to death, but their organs eventually fail and that lack of nutrients poses a higher risk factor to those starving. The end point is still premature death, regardless of your semantics.
Curious - if so adamant with the notion that being obese is perfectly healthy then why did you join MFP?
So perhaps what we're learning is that my most unpopular opinion is that words matter.
I never said that being obese is "perfectly healthy" but I do think that fixation on weight is unhealthy.
I joined MFP to be more conscientious of what I'm eating to avoid instances of overeating. Because although overeating makes me sick, it is pleasant in the moment and can be a mindless habit. I've decided that I deserve to feel well and want to take steps to do so. As I've stated before, weight loss may end up being a byproduct of making more sensible choices but is not my aim.
So, watching calorie intake. Awesome!7 -
dybbukgirl wrote: »Idk what the big issue is with macros. When I first calculated what all I was eating, it was like 90% carbs and a marginal amount of protein and fat. I think a lot of poor folk who just eat ramen (me in the past) would benefit more from a focus on education regarding macros instead of the general "Eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" If you eat 2 packs of ramen a day instead of 3, has your diet really changed for the better?
Plus, tons of people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or who have hypothyroidism or PCOS won't benefit just from a calorie deficit if they aren't monitoring their carb intake. When they go out and try the whole "eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" thing, and it doesn't work, then they give up. Figuring out your macros isn't hard, there's tons of handy calculators all over the internet, it's not like it's difficult to plug in your stats. Checking the nutrition of a product/recipe is a habit that'll only bring you good things.
What is wrong ramen? Add vegetables and maybe some protein, it is filling. I've eaten a lot of ramen in my day and it has not hurt me none.3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death
You are playing a semantic game to support an unreasonable position. Obesity is not a disease, but a physical state, as such is not singularly tracked. Perhaps you need to further study the semantic use of "linked", "correlation", "causation", and "risk" in these reports.
This is akin to stating that no one starves to death, but their organs eventually fail and that lack of nutrients poses a higher risk factor to those starving. The end point is still premature death, regardless of your semantics.
Curious - if so adamant with the notion that being obese is perfectly healthy then why did you join MFP?
So perhaps what we're learning is that my most unpopular opinion is that words matter.
I never said that being obese is "perfectly healthy" but I do think that fixation on weight is unhealthy.
I joined MFP to be more conscientious of what I'm eating to avoid instances of overeating. Because although overeating makes me sick, it is pleasant in the moment and can be a mindless habit. I've decided that I deserve to feel well and want to take steps to do so. As I've stated before, weight loss may end up being a byproduct of making more sensible choices but is not my aim.
It's great that you've decided to take charge of your own diet/eating and your own health. It's even fine that weight loss is not your goal, just as it's fine that you feel that obesity is not necessarily unhealthy for many people and that people should love themselves, no matter what body they happen to inhabit.
Just because these ideas support your view of the world and work well for you does not mean that they are indeed based in fact or that they are a good idea for other people. I agree that a fixation on weight isn't optimally healthy, but in previous comments you seemed to imply that anyone who wants to lose weight for the sake of losing weight (in and of itself) is somehow unhealthy. It seems like you make a lot of judgments about others based on what works for you, and that's why you're getting so much push back.
Do what works for you and in all sincerity, I hope that you have great success with whatever your goals are! Just remember that what works for YOU is not necessarily what anyone else needs/wants.16 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death
You are playing a semantic game to support an unreasonable position. Obesity is not a disease, but a physical state, as such is not singularly tracked. Perhaps you need to further study the semantic use of "linked", "correlation", "causation", and "risk" in these reports.
This is akin to stating that no one starves to death, but their organs eventually fail and that lack of nutrients poses a higher risk factor to those starving. The end point is still premature death, regardless of your semantics.
Curious - if so adamant with the notion that being obese is perfectly healthy then why did you join MFP?
So perhaps what we're learning is that my most unpopular opinion is that words matter.
I never said that being obese is "perfectly healthy" but I do think that fixation on weight is unhealthy.
I joined MFP to be more conscientious of what I'm eating to avoid instances of overeating. Because although overeating makes me sick, it is pleasant in the moment and can be a mindless habit. I've decided that I deserve to feel well and want to take steps to do so. As I've stated before, weight loss may end up being a byproduct of making more sensible choices but is not my aim.
It's great that you've decided to take charge of your own diet/eating and your own health. It's even fine that weight loss is not your goal, just as it's fine that you feel that obesity is not necessarily unhealthy for many people and that people should love themselves, no matter what body they happen to inhabit.
Just because these ideas support your view of the world and work well for you does not mean that they are indeed based in fact or that they are a good idea for other people. I agree that a fixation on weight isn't optimally healthy, but in previous comments you seemed to imply that anyone who wants to lose weight for the sake of losing weight (in and of itself) is somehow unhealthy. It seems like you make a lot of judgments about others based on what works for you, and that's why you're getting so much push back.
Do what works for you and in all sincerity, I hope that you have great success with whatever your goals are! Just remember that what works for YOU is not necessarily what anyone else needs/wants.
Thank you! I am already feeling a lot better and able to learn from past mistakes.
Saw a pic today from 5 years ago from when I was about (oh lort) 70 lbs thinner and remember feeling so awful and fat and like such a failure. I ate junk, tbh. Very small amounts of it - CICO does work but you might be messed up about it if you do it how I did. And, as previously stated, I had horrible ideas like that bc I had gotten myself fat, I deserved to feel physically and mentally horrible. I thought my life would be better when I got thinner and it wasn't bc my focus was wrong. I would have never been thin enough or attractive enough. I see people in these forums (and irl) make statements that sound a lot how I was feeling back then and it's slightly heartbreaking. Maybe I've seemed like a harpy in here but really I'm a big old softie.
I share these opinions, in a debate forum, bc I think they are true for many many people who haven't been able to admit it or haven't realized that there's another option. I want someone to read it and maybe be able to miss out on a little bit of the anguish I put myself through.4 -
dybbukgirl wrote: »Idk what the big issue is with macros. When I first calculated what all I was eating, it was like 90% carbs and a marginal amount of protein and fat. I think a lot of poor folk who just eat ramen (me in the past) would benefit more from a focus on education regarding macros instead of the general "Eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" If you eat 2 packs of ramen a day instead of 3, has your diet really changed for the better?
Plus, tons of people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or who have hypothyroidism or PCOS won't benefit just from a calorie deficit if they aren't monitoring their carb intake. When they go out and try the whole "eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" thing, and it doesn't work, then they give up. Figuring out your macros isn't hard, there's tons of handy calculators all over the internet, it's not like it's difficult to plug in your stats. Checking the nutrition of a product/recipe is a habit that'll only bring you good things.
You seem to be making a lot of judgments about other people based upon assuming that they do what you do.
Most people, I assume, know you're supposed to eat protein and vegetables. That you didn't and assume most people don't is telling.
I don't know, don't they teach this any more in shcools? I learned about balanced meals when I was in school.
I homeschool my children and as a parent, taught them about balanced meals from when they were little.3 -
dybbukgirl wrote: »Idk what the big issue is with macros. When I first calculated what all I was eating, it was like 90% carbs and a marginal amount of protein and fat. I think a lot of poor folk who just eat ramen (me in the past) would benefit more from a focus on education regarding macros instead of the general "Eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" If you eat 2 packs of ramen a day instead of 3, has your diet really changed for the better?
Plus, tons of people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or who have hypothyroidism or PCOS won't benefit just from a calorie deficit if they aren't monitoring their carb intake. When they go out and try the whole "eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" thing, and it doesn't work, then they give up. Figuring out your macros isn't hard, there's tons of handy calculators all over the internet, it's not like it's difficult to plug in your stats. Checking the nutrition of a product/recipe is a habit that'll only bring you good things.
The average person on the SAD, with all of its flaws, eats something like 50% carbs, 15% protein, 35% fat. So not any kind of weird mostly carbs diet. I suspect the percentage of people (other than vegans who aren't that informed about nutrition) eat extreme high carb diets that lack adequate fat or protein.
If someone is, someone is eating a nutritionally poor diet anyway, and fixing that would necessarily solve the macro issue.
(And of course if someone cares about health one shouldn't eat a completely nutritionally poor diet, or 90% carbs, but people know that already.)0 -
dybbukgirl wrote: »Idk what the big issue is with macros. When I first calculated what all I was eating, it was like 90% carbs and a marginal amount of protein and fat. I think a lot of poor folk who just eat ramen (me in the past) would benefit more from a focus on education regarding macros instead of the general "Eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" If you eat 2 packs of ramen a day instead of 3, has your diet really changed for the better?
Plus, tons of people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or who have hypothyroidism or PCOS won't benefit just from a calorie deficit if they aren't monitoring their carb intake. When they go out and try the whole "eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" thing, and it doesn't work, then they give up. Figuring out your macros isn't hard, there's tons of handy calculators all over the internet, it's not like it's difficult to plug in your stats. Checking the nutrition of a product/recipe is a habit that'll only bring you good things.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »You seem to be making a lot of judgments about other people based upon assuming that they do what you do.
Most people, I assume, know you're supposed to eat protein and vegetables. That you didn't and assume most people don't is telling.
I don't know, don't they teach this any more in shcools? I learned about balanced meals when I was in school.
I homeschool my children and as a parent, taught them about balanced meals from when they were little.
She was referring to herself and others who skip the protein and veggies because they are poor.
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kshama2001 wrote: »dybbukgirl wrote: »Idk what the big issue is with macros. When I first calculated what all I was eating, it was like 90% carbs and a marginal amount of protein and fat. I think a lot of poor folk who just eat ramen (me in the past) would benefit more from a focus on education regarding macros instead of the general "Eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" If you eat 2 packs of ramen a day instead of 3, has your diet really changed for the better?
Plus, tons of people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or who have hypothyroidism or PCOS won't benefit just from a calorie deficit if they aren't monitoring their carb intake. When they go out and try the whole "eat at a deficit and you'll magically lose weight!" thing, and it doesn't work, then they give up. Figuring out your macros isn't hard, there's tons of handy calculators all over the internet, it's not like it's difficult to plug in your stats. Checking the nutrition of a product/recipe is a habit that'll only bring you good things.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »You seem to be making a lot of judgments about other people based upon assuming that they do what you do.
Most people, I assume, know you're supposed to eat protein and vegetables. That you didn't and assume most people don't is telling.
I don't know, don't they teach this any more in shcools? I learned about balanced meals when I was in school.
I homeschool my children and as a parent, taught them about balanced meals from when they were little.
She was referring to herself and others who skip the protein and veggies because they are poor.
I think that poor people know they should be eating better even if they can't afford it.
I've been poor and have subsisted on spaghetti alone.
I knew it wasn't the optimal diet.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I take your Fruit Gums and raise you Fruit Pastilles. And milk bottles (I think you have to be proper British to know what those are).
i would just do a straight trade. unless it's the blackcurrant-only ones. if that then forget it. they're MINE.
mostly though i settle for the pastilles just because for some reason the only store that even does this for me usually has those . . . but the gums are seriously hit-and-miss. i just don't get it, but as a consolation: they sell jelly tots too \o/0 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death
You are playing a semantic game to support an unreasonable position. Obesity is not a disease, but a physical state, as such is not singularly tracked. Perhaps you need to further study the semantic use of "linked", "correlation", "causation", and "risk" in these reports.
This is akin to stating that no one starves to death, but their organs eventually fail and that lack of nutrients poses a higher risk factor to those starving. The end point is still premature death, regardless of your semantics.
Curious - if so adamant with the notion that being obese is perfectly healthy then why did you join MFP?
So perhaps what we're learning is that my most unpopular opinion is that words matter.
I never said that being obese is "perfectly healthy" but I do think that fixation on weight is unhealthy.
I joined MFP to be more conscientious of what I'm eating to avoid instances of overeating. Because although overeating makes me sick, it is pleasant in the moment and can be a mindless habit. I've decided that I deserve to feel well and want to take steps to do so. As I've stated before, weight loss may end up being a byproduct of making more sensible choices but is not my aim.
It's great that you've decided to take charge of your own diet/eating and your own health. It's even fine that weight loss is not your goal, just as it's fine that you feel that obesity is not necessarily unhealthy for many people and that people should love themselves, no matter what body they happen to inhabit.
Just because these ideas support your view of the world and work well for you does not mean that they are indeed based in fact or that they are a good idea for other people. I agree that a fixation on weight isn't optimally healthy, but in previous comments you seemed to imply that anyone who wants to lose weight for the sake of losing weight (in and of itself) is somehow unhealthy. It seems like you make a lot of judgments about others based on what works for you, and that's why you're getting so much push back.
Do what works for you and in all sincerity, I hope that you have great success with whatever your goals are! Just remember that what works for YOU is not necessarily what anyone else needs/wants.
Thank you! I am already feeling a lot better and able to learn from past mistakes.
Saw a pic today from 5 years ago from when I was about (oh lort) 70 lbs thinner and remember feeling so awful and fat and like such a failure. I ate junk, tbh. Very small amounts of it - CICO does work but you might be messed up about it if you do it how I did. And, as previously stated, I had horrible ideas like that bc I had gotten myself fat, I deserved to feel physically and mentally horrible. I thought my life would be better when I got thinner and it wasn't bc my focus was wrong. I would have never been thin enough or attractive enough. I see people in these forums (and irl) make statements that sound a lot how I was feeling back then and it's slightly heartbreaking. Maybe I've seemed like a harpy in here but really I'm a big old softie.
I share these opinions, in a debate forum, bc I think they are true for many many people who haven't been able to admit it or haven't realized that there's another option. I want someone to read it and maybe be able to miss out on a little bit of the anguish I put myself through.
This - this is kind and thoughtful. I'm sure there are others here with similar issues who can benefit from your experiences and insights.
But boy-oh-boy, are there ever a range of humans in the world, with huge variations in backgrounds, motivations and feelings. Being inclusive, and advocating for and supporting people like yourself - that's wonderful. But implying that we're all alike, and that others (who are differently wired in actual fact) are somehow hiding it - that's gonna kinda get some of our backs up. I hope that's understandable, too.
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the9thresident wrote: »but tummy ridges and veins popping out is just nasty to me
well, yeah, this actually . . . it's more an aesthetic opinion than a 'health' one, but yeah. segmented bellies are for arthropods. i never see one but it makes me think of crabs and scorpions.
feel like i'm going to win the 'unpopular' race: i know mfp is a niche-interest community, and sure i've turned into a kind of homegrown physio/exercise nerd. but that's entirely confined to my own life. and it's entirely because for some perverse reason i'm enjoying it all. i can't even imagine a day where i'd ever come within a million miles of giving one quadrillionth of a single *kitten* about the kinds of broad topics that appear to dominate the entire lives of many people in there [yeah, i know it probably doesn't really. but still - ? i just can't understand why it's a topic at all].
*feeling brave because i've got a fruit gum supplier lined up*
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stevencloser wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
You haven't been around many smokers then. Or haven't seen any cigarette packages in the past years.
Honestly, as a nonsmoker, I think that there's a fair amount of overreach... and it's one of the reasons I'm so vigorous about resisting the idea that the solution is more labelling.
The label could say "Hey moron, smoking is bad for you, you could get cancer or emphysema."
Instead, they now say "If you smoke another cigarette, you'll die tomorrow" or some comparable woo that makes the warning label less than useless.
It's been a while since I've seen one (quit smoking a long time ago). Did they change them to make them more dramatic? The ones I remember were like "Quitting smoking greatly reduces your health risk" or something like that. And another one about smoking being associated with low birth weight for infants.
Clearly they made a huge impression on me.
Ours now have very graphic illustrations on them accompanying the health warnings.
Here too.
I'll put a link, so people have the option of looking:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Canada+cigarette+warning+labels&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP2Nvt7OPUAhUq7IMKHeebDHEQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=611
those seem pretty tame compared to a few I've seen here. Like a smoker's lung, a foot with a missing toe and stuff like that.
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This whole argument ties into my belief that there are two kinds of people in the world. Victims and Just-Get-On-With-It types.
We see it all the time on these forums and I know we all see it a hundred times a day IRL too.
The former hangs on to the past (past hurts/past events/past perceived injustices) and the latter looks to the next thing and how they can contribute in a meaningful, helpful way.
You can live in fear or live in faith - pick a side carefully.
Some people truly are victims though and deserve care and therapy to put the pieces of their lives back together. Even if they tried to just get on with it, they'd end up mentally ill through repressing and failing to deal with their past traumas. I think your opinion is too dismissive of trauma and doesn't recognise the impact it can have on a person's physical and mental health.
Everyone has (PAST) trauma.
Would you care to play, "My trauma is worse than your trauma?" I'm pretty sure I could hold my own in that.
My point is that the world goes forward, not backward. It's okay to have moments of sadness and grief and fear, but to then make that your life-view is tragic and a slap in the face to the rest of us who do deal with our pasts and do move on.
A tragic/scary/horrible event does not have to define anyone's life. Sure, they will continue to get triggered every now and then, but to give into those fears gives the PAST power. There is no power in the past. It is an illusion.
Hmmm I honestly don't think you could "hold your own" because it is clear you have zero understanding of trauma and absolutely no empathy for sufferers of PTSD. "Moments of sadness, grief and fear" indeed!
I am not going to go toe-to-toe with you about my trauma vs anyone else's. I have empathy, but there is a way out. I hope you find it.
Then why make the offer? Did I call you on a bluff? Lol. Poor you. You are too funny.
ha. You first. List your trauma(s).
C'mon, this isn't the place to have a therapy session. There are many sites for anxiety/depression/PTSD whatever you want to call it. There is plenty of help out there, but the healing comes from within. There is no reason to live in the past. None.
I stand by my point that rehashing past stuff ad infinitum and using it as an excuse for remaining a victim is the weak approach. Personal power is found in hope, overcoming, faith, and joy.
Me first? When you are the one that suggested this ridiculous thing in the first place. How about I say one trauma for your one equal trauma and we go until the other one runs out. Please note I am ex-military and served in Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan so you may want to reconsider before hearing my war stories.
But before we even get to that, I survived an IRA terrorist bomb at age 7. Your turn.
Too I never said I was all poor me and such. I said "people with PTSD" and how they need time to pick up the pieces of their life and deserve empathy and u serstanding while they do that. I bet you've never mopped up the brains of one of your soldiers whose shot himself in the toliet rather than face another tour....but wait now I've told you two traumas. Darn it. Anyway your turn.0 -
- I think assuming parents of obese kids are bad parents is wrong and hurtful because you have no idea what kind of growth issues are going on (example - my best friend growing up stopped getting taller and started getting wider, and has to manage the issue with meds. She has never got taller than 4' 11" or so. She was one half of twins, the other twin had absolutely no issues at all.)
- I think if people take a weigh-in class (Slimming World, whatever), I don't think they should take food in and eat it after weighing in - food isn't something to withhold and then pig out on once you see a number on the scale for that week. If you are doing this, you have learned nothing about how to eat.
- I think gym memberships are a waste of time for about 90% of people
- I think C25k has leaps in in that are FAR too big for genuine couch potatoes
- I think enforced PE at school is TOTALLY pointless - half-hearted basketball for 50 minutes accomplishes nothing, and no, I don't think it's "better than nothing". Kids can eat back those calories in a breaktime snack.2 -
kristikitter wrote: »- I think assuming parents of obese kids are bad parents is wrong and hurtful because you have no idea what kind of growth issues are going on (example - my best friend growing up stopped getting taller and started getting wider, and has to manage the issue with meds. She has never got taller than 4' 11" or so. She was one half of twins, the other twin had absolutely no issues at all.)
- I think if people take a weigh-in class (Slimming World, whatever), I don't think they should take food in and eat it after weighing in - food isn't something to withhold and then pig out on once you see a number on the scale for that week. If you are doing this, you have learned nothing about how to eat.
- I think gym memberships are a waste of time for about 90% of people
- I think C25k has leaps in in that are FAR too big for genuine couch potatoes
- I think enforced PE at school is TOTALLY pointless - half-hearted basketball for 50 minutes accomplishes nothing, and no, I don't think it's "better than nothing". Kids can eat back those calories in a breaktime snack.
I totally agree with this one. I had to look for an alternative program and would have been too frustrated and quit if I kept attempting to do it.3 -
kristikitter wrote: »
- I think enforced PE at school is TOTALLY pointless - half-hearted basketball for 50 minutes accomplishes nothing, and no, I don't think it's "better than nothing". Kids can eat back those calories in a breaktime snack.
That is (IMHO) a really god point that you rarely see expressed. I'm very into health and fitness and use the gym regularly as well as many physical activities and pastimes (reluctant to call them sports) outside the gym - But as a child and early teen I hated PE at school, which for a British boy in the late 70s/early 80s consisted of Football, Rugby, Cricket, and Athletics. All, of which I was pretty hopeless at.
Luckily, I was into cycling (as a form of transport and freedom) and martial arts (as a sport and self defence) and so they were my activities.
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