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Huskeryogi wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Huskeryogi wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Huskeryogi wrote: »That calories in/out works....but not all the time. If it worked all the time people wouldn't plateau. Since there's no way to do controlled long term studies there's a lot about weight and health that we don't know.
CI/CO is an energy equation - so yes it always works - a plateau comes out when CI and CO are equalized - which means either one or the other side of the equation (or both) needs to be adjusted
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11518804/weight-loss-exercise-myth-burn-calories
yeah that doesn't actually dispute CICO...all is says is just cause you work out, doesn't mean you can go whole hog on eating and drinking, you still need to watch what you eat and make sure you eat less than you burn...
But if calories you burn aren't linear (rates changes based on the amount of exercise/other factors WE DO NOT KNOW) it's an unknownable variable. If we can't accurately calculate calories out, calories in/calories out doesn't work.
One of my biggest problems with anything weight loss or fitness related is anyone saying anything works ALL the time.
Your calories out isn't going to swing up and down wildly from day to day. It's going to be pretty similar to make an educated guess. In maths you employ approximation techniques for getting results of formulas that would be too complicated to calculate properly.3 -
I disagree that what you eat doesn't matter. Sure you'll lose weight eating at a deficit, but HEALTH should be the ultimate goal. Natural is better and I'm sticking to it!12
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I disagree that what you eat doesn't matter. Sure you'll lose weight eating at a deficit, but HEALTH should be the ultimate goal. Natural is better and I'm sticking to it!
What does that even mean?
I can design you a "natural" diet that will be the death of you in less than a year.
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I disagree that what you eat doesn't matter. Sure you'll lose weight eating at a deficit, but HEALTH should be the ultimate goal. Natural is better and I'm sticking to it!
Twinkie diet, Fat head and at least 2 threads on mfp where people improved their health simply through weight loss.
Also hemlock is natural.10 -
I disagree that what you eat doesn't matter. Sure you'll lose weight eating at a deficit, but HEALTH should be the ultimate goal. Natural is better and I'm sticking to it!
A person on my friends list today posted an exuberantly excited and inspirational message that she has:
Lost 175 pounds
Reversed her prediabetes
Gotten off of high blood pressure medication she's been on for years.
Simply by cutting calories and losing weight.
I'd say HEALTH is her ultimate goal too, and she's rocking it, but you disagree?
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stevencloser wrote: »I disagree that what you eat doesn't matter. Sure you'll lose weight eating at a deficit, but HEALTH should be the ultimate goal. Natural is better and I'm sticking to it!
Twinkie diet, Fat head and at least 2 threads on mfp where people improved their health simply through weight loss.
Also hemlock is natural.
Sure an obese individual losing weight will generally improve health markers. Don't you think long term an individual will have better health markers eating a diet that is 80-90% nutrient dense vs the same person eating the same number of calories on the Twinkie diet or something similar?2 -
You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.26
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You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.
We all die anyway. *shrug*6 -
You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.
Lots of things are banned in other countries... Doesn't mean it's right or smart.
And as far as "proven to cause cancer" Go ahead.7 -
You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.
Fortunately for me, I have a chemistry degree, so I can pronounce most of those things AND I understand them well enough to not be duped by fear mongering websites. But maybe if you wanted to provide some specific examples, we could discuss them?20 -
Hemlock, lol. Certainly natural, but kind of ignores the "healthy" part. Keep it relevant.2
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The link between sodium nitrites and cancer
CTCA
May 31, 2013
A study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California suggests a link between eating processed meats and cancer risk. The study followed 190,000 people, ages 45-75, for seven years and found that people who ate the most processed meats had a 67% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least amount.0 -
The link between sodium nitrites and cancer
CTCA
May 31, 2013
A study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California suggests a link between eating processed meats and cancer risk. The study followed 190,000 people, ages 45-75, for seven years and found that people who ate the most processed meats had a 67% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least amount.
Did you know that celery, cabbage, beets, carrots, radishes, and spinach are all naturally high in sodium nitrate? I found a University of Minnesota study when I googled to check my recollection of this that stated that the average person consumes 90% of their intake of nitrite from vegetables and 10% from processed meats.10 -
The link between sodium nitrites and cancer
CTCA
May 31, 2013
A study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California suggests a link between eating processed meats and cancer risk. The study followed 190,000 people, ages 45-75, for seven years and found that people who ate the most processed meats had a 67% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least amount.
Did you know that celery, cabbage, beets, carrots, radishes, and spinach are all naturally high in sodium nitrate? I found a University of Minnesota study when I googled to check my recollection of this that stated that the average person consumes 90% of their intake of nitrite from vegetables and 10% from processed meats.
It's a hard to pronounce word, it can't possibly be natural. Only evil cancer chemikillz have hard names.7 -
The link between sodium nitrites and cancer
CTCA
May 31, 2013
A study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California suggests a link between eating processed meats and cancer risk. The study followed 190,000 people, ages 45-75, for seven years and found that people who ate the most processed meats had a 67% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least amount.
What things other than process meat did those people also eat? I haven't read the study, but it seems like it would be difficult to assign the increased risk only one type of food that a person is consuming as opposed to an overall diet. It reminds me of the correlation between people who drink diet soda and obesity (as a reminder, they aren't actually related).4 -
You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.
can you pronounce all the chemicals in a strawberry?5 -
The link between sodium nitrites and cancer
CTCA
May 31, 2013
A study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California suggests a link between eating processed meats and cancer risk. The study followed 190,000 people, ages 45-75, for seven years and found that people who ate the most processed meats had a 67% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least amount.
What things other than process meat did those people also eat? I haven't read the study, but it seems like it would be difficult to assign the increased risk only one type of food that a person is consuming as opposed to an overall diet. It reminds me of the correlation between people who drink diet soda and obesity (as a reminder, they aren't actually related).
i would put money on it being a correlational type study where they found that obese men with cancer consumed a higher amount of processed meat and then extrapolated...6 -
You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.
can you pronounce all the chemicals in a strawberry?
Just for reference... lol
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Huskeryogi wrote: »I'm not just starting.
If you are referring to my post, that wasn't a specific "you" but a general "you" -- i.e., not meant as advice, but how it works.My feelings are based on 15 years of paying attention to my body and as much research as I can stand to consume.
What feelings? That CICO does not work? You have said nothing to support that claim.Nothing you have said has contradicted my assertion that we don't have the tools to accurately calculate Calories Out. So we're arguing in circles.
I agree that we don't have the tools to accurately calculate calories out. It does not matter. What I can do is track what I eat and my weight and see based on my estimate of what I'm eating what my current calories out is (an estimate). And then I can EASILY adjust calories out to be higher or lower OR adjust calories in to be higher or lower.
That's all that is necessary.
This idea that you need to know exact numbers is puzzling to me. Why would you?3
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