Welcome to Debate Club! Please be aware that this is a space for respectful debate, and that your ideas will be challenged here. Please remember to critique the argument, not the author.
What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
Replies
-
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
Lucky. Many of my yummy healthier foods are just as high in calories as junk.12 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
The only part of your statement that maybe unpopular is the phrase "eat clean", because it's a vague and arbitrary term and often difficult to discern what a poster means by it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you would think that having the majority of your diet come from nutrient dense foods would be unpopular, thats what most people here do, even if they eschew the phrases "clean" and "junk".16 -
This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html19 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
"She's partial to Special K, according to The Telegraph. Kellogg's, Quaker Oats, and Weetabix all hold royal warrants.
However, she likes her cereal to be served from Tupperware, which she believes keeps it fresh.
She occasionally opts for toast and marmalade...
Jam in the royal household comes from Wilkin & Sons."
I love that woman. She reminds me of my grandma, except the part where she's the queen.19 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
Usually "eat clean" is said to mean "avoids processed foods." But then if you find out what the person is eating, they are eating lots of processed foods, because a huge range of foods are processed. The idea that being "processed" means "junk" or "not healthy" or, more accurately, "not particularly nutritious" is bogus.
My plan for breakfast and lunch today:
For breakfast I had a salad with an overeasy egg and pancetta on it. Clearly, pancetta is processed and some might think it is "junk," I dunno. (It is tasty, though.) On the salad, among other things, I included some apple cider vinegar and a bit of olive oil--both processed. I thought about adding some feta cheese or cottage cheese, but didn't. Either of those would have again been processed.
For lunch I am having some roasted vegetables with ground turkey (again, processed!) with a spicy sauce I made using sriracha (processed!).
I am not really sure why these meals would be considered "junk" or not healthy just because they include some processed ingredients. (My current favorite dessert other than fruit is some plain greek yogurt plus a little walnut butter -- I guess that's just terrible, terrible, very bad, but again it sure is tasty!)7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites4 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
People meeting their nutritional needs and hitting their calorie goals while eating the foods they enjoy is just about the most popular opinion I've seen here. I am not sure why you think it's unpopular.12 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
People just get their hackles up when anyone says, "I eat clean."
Because 1. It sounds arrogant and 2. What is clean?9 -
cmriverside wrote: »dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
People just get their hackles up when anyone says, "I eat clean."
Because 1. It sounds arrogant and 2. What is clean?
I assume it means you washed your hands first, used a clean dish and utensils and didn't drop your sammich on the floor before you put it in your mouth.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
People meeting their nutritional needs and hitting their calorie goals while eating the foods they enjoy is just about the most popular opinion I've seen here. I am not sure why you think it's unpopular.
I actually, on further reading of this post, think the poster is suggesting they eat entirely "clean" (whatever it means to them) and prefer it because they feel they can eat more that way, than if they ate entirely junk. I could be mistaken, and the poster is striking a balance, which is in fact, what most people here strive for - primarily nutrient dense foods with a smaller focus on treats in moderation.
I'd be interested in the clarification if @dragonfly_66 is interested in sharing.4 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
Because anyone not eating clean is malnourished....
Please point out the person advocating a non nutritious diet...4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
People meeting their nutritional needs and hitting their calorie goals while eating the foods they enjoy is just about the most popular opinion I've seen here. I am not sure why you think it's unpopular.
I actually, on further reading of this post, think the poster is suggesting they eat entirely "clean" (whatever it means to them) and prefer it because they feel they can eat more that way, than if they ate entirely junk. I could be mistaken, and the poster is striking a balance, which is in fact, what most people here strive for - primarily nutrient dense foods with a smaller focus on treats in moderation.
I'd be interested in the clarification if @dragonfly_66 is interested in sharing.
That's curious to me because some of the most calorie-dense foods in my diet are usually included in common definitions of "clean foods" (avocado, whole grains, coconut, vegetables like potatoes), so eating "clean" wouldn't necessarily result in me eating "tons" of food. Of course, the poster making this point may not like those foods.3 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
Because anyone not eating clean is malnourished....
Please point out the person advocating a non nutritious diet...
Pick me, pick me!
9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dragonfly_66 wrote: »I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen
People meeting their nutritional needs and hitting their calorie goals while eating the foods they enjoy is just about the most popular opinion I've seen here. I am not sure why you think it's unpopular.
I actually, on further reading of this post, think the poster is suggesting they eat entirely "clean" (whatever it means to them) and prefer it because they feel they can eat more that way, than if they ate entirely junk. I could be mistaken, and the poster is striking a balance, which is in fact, what most people here strive for - primarily nutrient dense foods with a smaller focus on treats in moderation.
I'd be interested in the clarification if @dragonfly_66 is interested in sharing.
That's curious to me because some of the most calorie-dense foods in my diet are usually included in common definitions of "clean foods" (avocado, whole grains, coconut, vegetables like potatoes), so eating "clean" wouldn't necessarily result in me eating "tons" of food. Of course, the poster making this point may not like those foods.
Maybe they really like kale. You can eat a LOT of kale.
4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites
"Her majesty is very fond of all kinds of pies..."
I am sensing, like the Queen of Hearts, that a common theme in queenly eating involves jam, pies, and tarts.
"In 1526, a fast meal served to Henry VIII and Katharine of Aragon included 'soup, herring, cod, lampreys, pike, salmon, whiting, haddock, plaice, bream, porpoise, seal, carp, trout, crabs, lobsters, custard, tart, fritters and fruit’. And this was just the first course!"3 -
French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites
"Her majesty is very fond of all kinds of pies..."
I am sensing, like the Queen of Hearts, that a common theme in queenly eating involves jam, pies, and tarts.
"In 1526, a fast meal served to Henry VIII and Katharine of Aragon included 'soup, herring, cod, lampreys, pike, salmon, whiting, haddock, plaice, bream, porpoise, seal, carp, trout, crabs, lobsters, custard, tart, fritters and fruit’. And this was just the first course!"
I love that.
I found this a bit disturbing, although the historian interviewed on the podcast I listened to claimed she had tried it and it was tasty: https://worldofbooze.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/a-victorian-christmas-claret-and-whisky-in-the-same-glass/
"Queen Victoria’s drink of choice was a mixture of claret and whisky."
(Maybe QV should have contributed this opinion to the unpopular opinions thread of her day!)5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites
"Her majesty is very fond of all kinds of pies..."
I am sensing, like the Queen of Hearts, that a common theme in queenly eating involves jam, pies, and tarts.
"In 1526, a fast meal served to Henry VIII and Katharine of Aragon included 'soup, herring, cod, lampreys, pike, salmon, whiting, haddock, plaice, bream, porpoise, seal, carp, trout, crabs, lobsters, custard, tart, fritters and fruit’. And this was just the first course!"
I love that.
I found this a bit disturbing, although the historian interviewed on the podcast I listened to claimed she had tried it and it was tasty: https://worldofbooze.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/a-victorian-christmas-claret-and-whisky-in-the-same-glass/
"Queen Victoria’s drink of choice was a mixture of claret and whisky."
(Maybe QV should have contributed this opinion to the unpopular opinions thread of her day!)
Well, wine doesn't have nearly enough alcohol. As a proper alcoholic, one must do.11 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites
"Her majesty is very fond of all kinds of pies..."
I am sensing, like the Queen of Hearts, that a common theme in queenly eating involves jam, pies, and tarts.
"In 1526, a fast meal served to Henry VIII and Katharine of Aragon included 'soup, herring, cod, lampreys, pike, salmon, whiting, haddock, plaice, bream, porpoise, seal, carp, trout, crabs, lobsters, custard, tart, fritters and fruit’. And this was just the first course!"
I love that.
I found this a bit disturbing, although the historian interviewed on the podcast I listened to claimed she had tried it and it was tasty: https://worldofbooze.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/a-victorian-christmas-claret-and-whisky-in-the-same-glass/
"Queen Victoria’s drink of choice was a mixture of claret and whisky."
(Maybe QV should have contributed this opinion to the unpopular opinions thread of her day!)
I suspect whisky is fantastic under any circumstances when you are drinking it with a strapping bekilted Scotsman at Balmoral.10 -
I love the direction I've taken this in.
As an aside, Wilkin & Sons do the best ketchup ever. It's expensive so not one if you slather it on everything which I don't. So it's my treat to have on a bacon butty.8 -
Haha looks like I dropped bomb and walked away! What I mean is that I try to eat mainly unprocessed foods and support local farming when possible and have tried to cut added sugar etc (saying eat clean is a faster way to say this). the reason I feel like it's unpopular is because it invites lots of "so you wash it first" kind of comments because in all honesty eating clean sounds kind of douchey! I actually eat what I want and if that's Doritos then you bet your buns I eat it because I don't like rules about food. I just find that I can eat more food when I mainly avoid processed foods and sugar and let's be honest I got fat because I love food so for me eating more is worth it.
I actually eat processed stuff as well of course (like yogurt and tortillas) but I really try to avoid it. This is not just about weight for me (although I did lose about 70 lbs with this) it actually has done wonders for my fibromyalgia and mental health when I was struggling.11 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »Haha looks like I dropped bomb and walked away! What I mean is that I try to eat mainly unprocessed foods and support local farming when possible and have tried to cut added sugar etc (saying eat clean is a faster way to say this). the reason I feel like it's unpopular is because it invites lots of "so you wash it first" kind of comments because in all honesty eating clean sounds kind of douchey! I actually eat what I want and if that's Doritos then you bet your buns I eat it because I don't like rules about food. I just find that I can eat more food when I mainly avoid processed foods and sugar and let's be honest I got fat because I love food so for me eating more is worth it.
I actually eat processed stuff as well of course (like yogurt and tortillas) but I really try to avoid it. This is not just about weight for me (although I did lose about 70 lbs with this) it actually has done wonders for my fibromyalgia and mental health when I was struggling.
I think the point I was making (or tried to make) above is that there are high and low calorie processed foods and high and low calorie non-processed foods. Raw almonds aren't processed, but they're calorie-dense. Hot sauce is processed, but it has virtually zero calories. It's a distinction that I don't personally find helpful when deciding what to eat.
Eating foods that you like in a way that lets you meet your needs and goals (what you say your plan is) is one of the most common plans around here, which is why it doesn't make sense to me as an unpopular opinion.9 -
Yep those are great points! I also def live off hot sauce.
My point was just that saying you're trying to eat clean (only for lack of a better one) gets responses that indicate it's not popular phrase at the very least.2 -
dragonfly_66 wrote: »Yep those are great points! I also def live off hot sauce.
My point was just that saying you're trying to eat clean (only for lack of a better one) gets responses that indicate it's not popular phrase at the very least.
Oh, yeah. The phrase itself isn't very popular and I think that is due to the fact that it is so vague, everyone who uses it seems to have a different definition.5 -
Yeah it's a *kitten* phrase. Lots of MLM schemes love it!4
-
French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites
"Her majesty is very fond of all kinds of pies..."
I am sensing, like the Queen of Hearts, that a common theme in queenly eating involves jam, pies, and tarts.
"In 1526, a fast meal served to Henry VIII and Katharine of Aragon included 'soup, herring, cod, lampreys, pike, salmon, whiting, haddock, plaice, bream, porpoise, seal, carp, trout, crabs, lobsters, custard, tart, fritters and fruit’. And this was just the first course!"
I love that.
I found this a bit disturbing, although the historian interviewed on the podcast I listened to claimed she had tried it and it was tasty: https://worldofbooze.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/a-victorian-christmas-claret-and-whisky-in-the-same-glass/
"Queen Victoria’s drink of choice was a mixture of claret and whisky."
(Maybe QV should have contributed this opinion to the unpopular opinions thread of her day!)
I suspect whisky is fantastic under any circumstances when you are drinking it with a strapping bekilted Scotsman at Balmoral.
My guilty pleasure is that "Reign" show. Such lovely people and costumes. A little naughty, but not too much.
Sadly, nary a kilt to be seen. Yet.4 -
All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)13
-
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.20 -
cmriverside wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This details the actual Queen's (Elizabeth) diet. To be honest, I'm 100% on board with this. Pre-lunch gin, afternoon tea, biscuits, cake, afternoon tea, chocolate, chocolate mousse, steamed fish, chicken salad, steak and rounded off with a glass of champers before bed. And she's a ripe old age so she must be doing something right.
'Scuse me while I stock up on Prestat chocs and steak.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Oddly enough, I recently just listened to a podcast discussing Queen Victoria's diet. Here's an article: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria’s-appetites
"Her majesty is very fond of all kinds of pies..."
I am sensing, like the Queen of Hearts, that a common theme in queenly eating involves jam, pies, and tarts.
"In 1526, a fast meal served to Henry VIII and Katharine of Aragon included 'soup, herring, cod, lampreys, pike, salmon, whiting, haddock, plaice, bream, porpoise, seal, carp, trout, crabs, lobsters, custard, tart, fritters and fruit’. And this was just the first course!"
I love that.
I found this a bit disturbing, although the historian interviewed on the podcast I listened to claimed she had tried it and it was tasty: https://worldofbooze.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/a-victorian-christmas-claret-and-whisky-in-the-same-glass/
"Queen Victoria’s drink of choice was a mixture of claret and whisky."
(Maybe QV should have contributed this opinion to the unpopular opinions thread of her day!)
I suspect whisky is fantastic under any circumstances when you are drinking it with a strapping bekilted Scotsman at Balmoral.
My guilty pleasure is that "Reign" show. Such lovely people and costumes. A little naughty, but not too much.
Sadly, nary a kilt to be seen. Yet.
Yeah - my wife and I watch(ed) that one, too. We have yet to get around to S4, which is the last. When we're done with Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl (finished LoT), we'll probably get to Reign and iZombie.1 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.
Not so, truth is we really have no idea...
Anything you can find a study for, low carb, cico, veganism, high protein, low fat, gluten free, organic, hiit, steady state... Whatever
I bet you can find a study that provides evidence to the contrary, and an army of people who believe the opposite...
I've found that many of today's know-it-alls, will claim something totally different when the next trend comes along20 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.
Not so, truth is we really have no idea...
Anything you can find a study for, low carb, cico, veganism, high protein, low fat, gluten free, organic, hiit, steady state... Whatever
I bet you can find a study that provides evidence to the contrary, and an army of people who believe the opposite...
I've found that many of today's know-it-alls, will claim something totally different when the next trend comes along
... only if your definition of "study" is extremely loose.14
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.4K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 427 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.7K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions