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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Who recommends 4:1 carbs to protein for workouts? I don't believe I've ever seen that. And CICO is not the whole picture for what? I've never seen that said either. For weight loss it is. For nutrition and body composition it's not. I've never seen anyone claim it was. Do you have a source for these claims?Simple. CICO is not the whole picture. Content and quality of the calories in makes a difference.
Gary Taubes is no longer viewed as a quack.
Personally, I don't hold to 4:1 carbs to protein for workout. That may be useful for some but not for everyone. We don't all metabolize carbs the same way.
But, yes, Taubes is still viewed as a quack by anyone well read and informed.
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Simple. CICO is not the whole picture. Content and quality of the calories in makes a difference.
Gary Taubes is no longer viewed as a quack.
Personally, I don't hold to 4:1 carbs to protein for workout. That may be useful for some but not for everyone. We don't all metabolize carbs the same way.
That definitely qualifies as an unpopular opinion IMO. Taubes is an ever bigger quack than Dr. Oz and MercoLOLa combined. Right up there with David "Avocado" Wolfe, who claims that gravity is a toxin.
Taubes isn't even a researcher - he's an author, his degree is in journalism. And he makes big bucks writing books about crap science and trying to convince people that his debunked woo is anything but that.17 -
Simple. CICO is not the whole picture. Content and quality of the calories in makes a difference.
Gary Taubes is no longer viewed as a quack.
Personally, I don't hold to 4:1 carbs to protein for workout. That may be useful for some but not for everyone. We don't all metabolize carbs the same way.
Who recommends 4:1 carbs to protein for workouts? I don't believe I've ever seen that.
I've seen it recommended for refueling after a workout, especially cardio-related workouts. The idea is that it helps recovery and filling glycogen stores more quickly, which can be relevant if one is working out twice a day (it was a recommendation especially for that when I was doing a half-ironman/ironman training group).
Pre workout, no, haven't seen it. And most on MFP say it rarely matters unless one has specific reasons for it.And CICO is not the whole picture for what? I've never seen that said either. For weight loss it is. For nutrition and body composition it's not. I've never seen anyone claim it was. Do you have a source for these claims?
Yup.
Taubes is considered a quack not because he says nutrition matters (which of course most of us do), but because he claims that you can't get fat on a low carb diet, and can on a diet at or below TDEE if high carb. Essentially he seems to think calories are not what matter for weight loss/gain.8 -
Taubes's hypothesis on the cause of obesity was falsified in controlled conditions. Twice.
Taubes also conflates "how" and "why" (his infamous movie theater entry scenario) and those two questions 1) aren't the same thing and 2) have different answers and 3) in the case of "why" doesn't have the same answer for every individual.
Taubes thinking that "why" and "how" are the same thing, or rather, that "why" negates the fact that "how" is indeed taking place represents a basic misunderstanding of human physiology and logical failing on his part and as well as a failure to entertain complex thinking that would show he's interested in truly finding answers and not just selling books and peddling nonsense.14 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Taubes's hypothesis on the cause of obesity was falsified in controlled conditions. Twice.
Taubes also conflates "how" and "why" (his infamous movie theater entry scenario) and those two questions 1) aren't the same thing and 2) have different answers and 3) in the case of "why" doesn't have the same answer for every individual.
Taubes thinking that "why" and "how" are the same thing, or rather, that "why" negates the fact that "how" is indeed taking place represents a basic misunderstanding of human physiology and logical failing on his part and as well as a failure to entertain complex thinking that would show he's interested in truly finding answers and not just selling books and peddling nonsense.
Taubes' own research institute (NuSi) has done research which resulted in findings contrary to his theories. He has flat out said that even if there was conclusive scientific research which disproved his theories (which there is), he wouldn't change his mind. That doesn't sound like a researcher, that sounds like a crackpot with an agenda - which is exactly what Taubes is.14 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Taubes's hypothesis on the cause of obesity was falsified in controlled conditions. Twice.
Taubes also conflates "how" and "why" (his infamous movie theater entry scenario) and those two questions 1) aren't the same thing and 2) have different answers and 3) in the case of "why" doesn't have the same answer for every individual.
Taubes thinking that "why" and "how" are the same thing, or rather, that "why" negates the fact that "how" is indeed taking place represents a basic misunderstanding of human physiology and logical failing on his part and as well as a failure to entertain complex thinking that would show he's interested in truly finding answers and not just selling books and peddling nonsense.
Taubes' own research institute (NuSi) has done research which resulted in findings contrary to his theories. He has flat out said that even if there was conclusive scientific research which disproved his theories (which there is), he wouldn't change his mind. That doesn't sound like a researcher, that sounds like a crackpot with an agenda - which is exactly what Taubes is.
NuSi funding the research is my favorite part of the whole story.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
DATES. Weakness for me, omg. I have no limits.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Taubes's hypothesis on the cause of obesity was falsified in controlled conditions. Twice.
Taubes also conflates "how" and "why" (his infamous movie theater entry scenario) and those two questions 1) aren't the same thing and 2) have different answers and 3) in the case of "why" doesn't have the same answer for every individual.
Taubes thinking that "why" and "how" are the same thing, or rather, that "why" negates the fact that "how" is indeed taking place represents a basic misunderstanding of human physiology and logical failing on his part and as well as a failure to entertain complex thinking that would show he's interested in truly finding answers and not just selling books and peddling nonsense.
Taubes' own research institute (NuSi) has done research which resulted in findings contrary to his theories. He has flat out said that even if there was conclusive scientific research which disproved his theories (which there is), he wouldn't change his mind. That doesn't sound like a researcher, that sounds like a crackpot with an agenda - which is exactly what Taubes is.
Off topic, but I see this and think sodium silicide. Which isn't even right because sodium is Na.
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SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...3 -
SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)1 -
SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
But in that vein...when he's available, you're spending all that available time with him because that's your top priority.2 -
byustrongman wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Full fat Coke
is this the new bulletproof coffee? blend some coke with melted butter and mct oil?
LOL, this is British for non-diet soda.0 -
SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
So that's your priority. Nothing wrong with that...0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
But in that vein...when he's available, you're spending all that available time with him because that's your top priority.
Exactly. It's the same for me. My son and my wife (my family) are my #1 priority. Fitness is in my top 5 but it is not number 1. I do not feel bad about the either.
My top 5 are Family, fitness, career, music (I am a guitar player in a cover band) and friendships.
The order is fluid and changes depending on what my life is like...4 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
But in that vein...when he's available, you're spending all that available time with him because that's your top priority.
Exactly. It's the same for me. My son and my wife (my family) are my #1 priority. Fitness is in my top 5 but it is not number 1. I do not feel bad about the either.
My top 5 are Family, fitness, career, music (I am a guitar player in a cover band) and friendships.
The order is fluid and changes depending on what my life is like...
Mine are hard to describe as i know I need to be healthy to be with family in my fullest capacity..so my health is my top priority but time spent with my husband/family is equally important.
I am lucky that we as a family are a fitness crew (thanks to me really) so a lot of our time is doing healthy things like yesterday my sister and I with my husband went for a walk (5 miles) .
I just think people need to understand that fitness is important but this whole "what's your excuse?" is fitness shaming for some (I know I know)and motivation for others and that as a society need to just accept others do them we do us and let it go.1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
But in that vein...when he's available, you're spending all that available time with him because that's your top priority.
Exactly. It's the same for me. My son and my wife (my family) are my #1 priority. Fitness is in my top 5 but it is not number 1. I do not feel bad about the either.
My top 5 are Family, fitness, career, music (I am a guitar player in a cover band) and friendships.
The order is fluid and changes depending on what my life is like...
Mine are hard to describe as i know I need to be healthy to be with family in my fullest capacity..so my health is my top priority but time spent with my husband/family is equally important.
I am lucky that we as a family are a fitness crew (thanks to me really) so a lot of our time is doing healthy things like yesterday my sister and I with my husband went for a walk (5 miles) .
I just think people need to understand that fitness is important but this whole "what's your excuse?" is fitness shaming for some (I know I know)and motivation for others and that as a society need to just accept others do them we do us and let it go.
I tend to think that people who say that don't exercise, eat and or live the way they "say" they do. I personally don't trust anyone that "perfect..."4 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
But in that vein...when he's available, you're spending all that available time with him because that's your top priority.
I just think people need to understand that fitness is important but this whole "what's your excuse?" is fitness shaming for some (I know I know)and motivation for others and that as a society need to just accept others do them we do us and let it go.
Exactly. Sometimes my excuse is "I don't feel like it", and it's a perfectly valid one. I don't feel inferior for choosing not to exercise sometimes because in a particular event I judge "not exercising" higher on my happiness scale (which is very high on my list of priorities - I like and deserve to be happy and I'm not going to apologize for it). Others can see me as inferior all they want for choosing to occasionally skip a workout, exercise for extra food, not stick to my calories 100% of the time, or any number of non-perfect things that provide me with short term happiness without jeopardizing my long term happiness.6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »SandraNancy wrote: »Everyone can make time to be more active. Literally everyone. You don't have to set aside a specific block of time and grind it out on the treadmill if that's not your thing. You could walk/bike to work instead of driving. You could go for a walk on your lunch break instead of being sedentary. You could stand at your desk and do squats, for goodness sake. Lack of time is an excuse that really means "this isn't a priority for me."
you are correct but sometimes you can't make it a priority to exercise...this whole "what's your excuse " BS is exactly that...BS...and this coming from someone who exercises a lot.
Exercise is a choice and isn't required to lose weight...or be healthy even...it's a requirement to be fit.
Personally I don't go for the all or nothing mentality. As life changes so do one's priorities. I believe in keeping a top 5 list. The top 5 may change their order but they will generally be up there...
I don't either...and I think that priorities are a fluid thing as well.
Mine change...I used to garden a lot and pickle..it was a priority...not so much now...top 10 but eh.
Exercise top 5...but it might slip down the list it would depend on the circumstance
What you put time into is where your true priorities can be found...
okay...but not so much.
example highest priority for me is to spend time with my husband...but with his work schedule I don't get the time...but when I do it's devoted to him....(he works 12 hour shifts and a lot of OT)
But in that vein...when he's available, you're spending all that available time with him because that's your top priority.
I just think people need to understand that fitness is important but this whole "what's your excuse?" is fitness shaming for some (I know I know)and motivation for others and that as a society need to just accept others do them we do us and let it go.
Exactly. Sometimes my excuse is "I don't feel like it", and it's a perfectly valid one. I don't feel inferior for choosing not to exercise sometimes because in a particular event I judge "not exercising" higher on my happiness scale (which is very high on my list of priorities - I like and deserve to be happy and I'm not going to apologize for it). Others can see me as inferior all they want for choosing to occasionally skip a workout, exercise for extra food, not stick to my calories 100% of the time, or any number of non-perfect things that provide me with short term happiness without jeopardizing my long term happiness.
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Oh I hate what's your excuse so much. It's annoying and reeks superiority. A few of us had an argument a while back with someone who said everybody should exercise because she was able to when she had her leg in a cast. It's like the people who say I was able to get up and walk right after major surgery so everybody can. Nope. Everyone is different. Doesn't make me weak or a bad person. I could do more than I am doing yes but I am an exercise addict and I know I would do too much and get a hernia and injure myself which isn't good since my body is still healing. This doesn't make me inferior to you.5
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singingflutelady wrote: »Oh I hate what's your excuse so much. It's annoying and reeks superiority. A few of us had an argument a while back with someone who said everybody should exercise because she was able to when she had her leg in a cast. It's like the people who say I was able to get up and walk right after major surgery so everybody can. Nope. Everyone is different. Doesn't make me weak or a bad person. I could do more than I am doing yes but I am an exercise addict and I know I would do too much and get a hernia and injure myself which isn't good since my body is still healing. This doesn't make me inferior to you.
Comparison is the thief of joy.4 -
I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.13 -
scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
How so?
I'm vegetarian, have been for over 20 years. I'm pretty darn healthy. It's not difficult to meet your nutritional requirements being vegetarian or vegan, though yes, some research to ensure you're doing that is always a good idea (though a nutrition class is OTT). Pretty sure you can also be a low carb vegan safely.
You can also raise children as vegans quite safely, so long as you are aware of meeting nutritional needs, so no need to call social services just because you disagree with someone else's ethical beliefs.
Cats, on the other hand, should never, ever be made to be vegan. They are obligate carnivores. If you don't want to feed your cat meat, don't get one.7 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Oh I hate what's your excuse so much. It's annoying and reeks superiority. A few of us had an argument a while back with someone who said everybody should exercise because she was able to when she had her leg in a cast. It's like the people who say I was able to get up and walk right after major surgery so everybody can. Nope. Everyone is different. Doesn't make me weak or a bad person. I could do more than I am doing yes but I am an exercise addict and I know I would do too much and get a hernia and injure myself which isn't good since my body is still healing. This doesn't make me inferior to you.
Yes! Save me from the smug self satisfied MFP'ers who would much rather sit around and congratulate themselves ( on whatever: getting to goal weight, "retraining their NEAT, recovering from surgery yet managing to exercise 40 hours a week, getting through menopause without any effects on their metabolism, and especially how fun it was to lose weight, etc. etc. etc) than offer advice, help or support or especially compassion.
Lol, I have a good portion of the "I did it, so if it doesn't work for you you must be lazy, stupid, lying, weak, etc" crowd on ignore - especially since they love to congregate on a thread and try to shame some poor OP into silence. It is worth noting almost none of that crowd are trying to lose weight, they all claim to be maintaining ( insert my sarcastic congratulations here.
My unpopular opinion: weight loss is hard and unpleasant and slow for some folks and the self congratulating crowd (who need to look up the word compassion) are not here to help those folks out but to prop themselves up at the expense of those who are here doing their best to lose weight and get fitter.
I find it very refreshing to hear about people who figure out what they need to do, and do it. Makes a great change from all the "Woe is me because . . . " posts.
The original drift of this was based on a discussion of "what's your excuse" postings, and I have to say that I find those loathsome, especially the ones using disabled people as inspiration porn to shame other people into exercising.
There's a difference too, between people who say "I exercised 2 days after my knee replacement, what's your excuse?" and people who respond to someone who is miserable at their circumstances who share similar circumstances with stories of how they've handled those challenges and risen to them.
If other people have risen to a challenge you're not willing/able/whatever to meet and that you're complaining about, that's not bragging/accusing you of being lazy/attempting to shame you -- that's them sharing experiences and suggestions trying to HELP you.
A wise person realizes this.16 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Oh I hate what's your excuse so much. It's annoying and reeks superiority. A few of us had an argument a while back with someone who said everybody should exercise because she was able to when she had her leg in a cast. It's like the people who say I was able to get up and walk right after major surgery so everybody can. Nope. Everyone is different. Doesn't make me weak or a bad person. I could do more than I am doing yes but I am an exercise addict and I know I would do too much and get a hernia and injure myself which isn't good since my body is still healing. This doesn't make me inferior to you.
Yes! Save me from the smug self satisfied MFP'ers who would much rather sit around and congratulate themselves ( on whatever: getting to goal weight, "retraining their NEAT, recovering from surgery yet managing to exercise 40 hours a week, getting through menopause without any effects on their metabolism, and especially how fun it was to lose weight, etc. etc. etc) than offer advice, help or support or especially compassion.
Lol, I have a good portion of the "I did it, so if it doesn't work for you you must be lazy, stupid, lying, weak, etc" crowd on ignore - especially since they love to congregate on a thread and try to shame some poor OP into silence. It is worth noting almost none of that crowd are trying to lose weight, they all claim to be maintaining ( insert my sarcastic congratulations here.
My unpopular opinion: weight loss is hard and unpleasant and slow for some folks and the self congratulating crowd (who need to look up the word compassion) are not here to help those folks out but to prop themselves up at the expense of those who are here doing their best to lose weight and get fitter.
I really didn't retrain my NEAT because that's not a thing. You can INCREASE your NEAT and suggesting that as a way of making losing less miserable by anecdotal sharing is not shaming. My NEAT is low, I could increase it. It's not insulting for someone to say that/point that out.
As per the other thread, your TDEE is about 2200, your BMR is around 1400. Your assertion that you lose 1lb per month eating between 1200-1400 calories a day doesn't add up. That's all anyone was saying, trying to help you identify that something somewhere could possibly be addressed.
And I am not at goal and thus not self satisfied or smug. I am perfectly aware of why I have compliance issues and/or am not at goal when i could have been some time ago.
Again, not shaming, sharing of experiences in how they made losing not as hard and carrying those habits forward to maintenance is really helpful to a lot of people. Me included way back when I started. I actively want to hear success stories, it's inspiring and can offer a different viewpoint that I can apply to my own experiences.13 -
scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
How on earth are vegetarians pushing their luck? It's quite easy to eat a nutritionally sound vegetarian diet (assuming ovo/lacto like me, here).
I've been veggie for about 5 years now. I'm healthier than I've ever been.
I agree that vegans should have some knowledge of nutrition to ensure adequate protein intake and think that a lot of young kids starting out as vegans as a fad probably are doing it wrong, but saying that, I don't think that the majority of vegans are doing it wrong. It's entirely possible to eat a nutritionally sound vegan diet, though I agree that a low carb one would be challenging. Protein sources would get to be monotonous.
PS: My daughter has always refused meat. I think she ate bacon once. She comes by being a vegetarian naturally. She's just repulsed by meat and won't touch it. She's 22 and perfectly healthy. No need for social services.7 -
How so?
I'm vegetarian, have been for over 20 years. I'm pretty darn healthy. It's not difficult to meet your nutritional requirements being vegetarian or vegan, though yes, some research to ensure you're doing that is always a good idea (though a nutrition class is OTT). Pretty sure you can also be a low carb vegan safely.
You can also raise children as vegans quite safely, so long as you are aware of meeting nutritional needs, so no need to call social services just because you disagree with someone else's ethical beliefs.
Cats, on the other hand, should never, ever be made to be vegan. They are obligate carnivores. If you don't want to feed your cat meat, don't get one.[/quote]
What would a low carb vegan eat? No sarcasm here. I am genuinely curious.
Calling social services was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I also find it interesting that you immediately jumped to veganism being an ethical decision. I think vegans take up their lifestyles for the most noble reasons, I just don't think it is nutrionaly sound. There are ways to make an omnivorous diet environmentally sustainable as well as humane.4 -
I'm not the PP, but seitan and tofu are both lowish in carbs. Edamame and black soybeans could also be added to the mix. Add some fats like avocado, nuts and seeds, and low-carb veggies.2
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scythianlady wrote: »
How so?
I'm vegetarian, have been for over 20 years. I'm pretty darn healthy. It's not difficult to meet your nutritional requirements being vegetarian or vegan, though yes, some research to ensure you're doing that is always a good idea (though a nutrition class is OTT). Pretty sure you can also be a low carb vegan safely.
You can also raise children as vegans quite safely, so long as you are aware of meeting nutritional needs, so no need to call social services just because you disagree with someone else's ethical beliefs.
Cats, on the other hand, should never, ever be made to be vegan. They are obligate carnivores. If you don't want to feed your cat meat, don't get one.What would a low carb vegan eat? No sarcasm here. I am genuinely curious.
Calling social services was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I also find it interesting that you immediately jumped to veganism being an ethical decision. I think vegans take up their lifestyles for the most noble reasons, I just don't think it is nutrionaly sound. There are ways to make an omnivorous diet environmentally sustainable as well as humane.
Not vegan, but tofu, tempeh, pea protein powder off the top of my head for protein. There are likely other things, but since I don't eat them, I don't know their macros. Leafy greens are low carb. Of course it depends how low we're talking. The low carbers tell me I'd be classed as low carb, so if I subbed out my massive amounts of dairy for non animal proteins, and was willing to drop my protein intake (which is well above standard minimum requirements), I think it would be plenty doable.
As to why I 'jumped' to veganism being an ethical decision, that's simply because that is still probably the primary reason why people choose it. Or at least it was, before crappy documentaries like 'What the Health'.
You still haven't answered why you don't think vegetarianisn/veganism are nutritionally sound. Can't really debate something if all you'll say is 'because I don't'.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm not the PP, but seitan and tofu are both lowish in carbs. Edamame and black soybeans could also be added to the mix. Add some fats like avocado, nuts and seeds, and low-carb veggies.
Thanks, I wasn't sure about seitan, cos never tried it (at least knowingly), and now my body won't let me
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One of my nieces is vegan and has been since she was a teenager. She runs marathons (as in two or three a month). Before children she and her husband (who is vegetarian because cheese) through-hiked the Pacific Crest trail from one end to the other. She's the healthiest one in our entire family.4
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