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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Oh I get it! "Weight-bearing" and "resistance" don't mean the same thing - hill-climbing would be resistance and strengthen muscles, but weight-bearing like jumping and running are what improves bone density. Thanks all!5
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Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
doesn't matter about carbs and fat...it's a personal preference really.
AS for exercise eh...exercise is not that easy typically...enjoyable maybe...if you like it.
the Key with exercise is finding the least objectionable one.2 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
In my world, truly easy exercise is not enjoyable . . . especially over the long haul. There are plenty of very different delicious flavors of 'not easy', though.
A lot of people should do more LISS, though. (Relax; it's just an opinion. Do what meets your exercise needs, and I'll support you. I think most people should eat more veggies, too, but I don't force-feed my friends brussels sprouts. Mostly.
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Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
In my world, truly easy exercise is not enjoyable . . . especially over the long haul. There are plenty of very different delicious flavors of 'not easy', though.
A lot of people should do more LISS, though. (Relax; it's just an opinion. Do what meets your exercise needs, and I'll support you. I think most people should eat more veggies, too, but I don't force-feed my friends brussels sprouts. Mostly. )
I agree that exercise should usually be something enjoyable, but I'm with you. For me personally, the easy isn't enjoyable. One of the things I love about running (people can substitute their favorite exercise here) is that feeling of doing something that seemed impossible to me at one point or knowing that I pushed myself really hard on a particular run.2 -
Oh I get it! "Weight-bearing" and "resistance" don't mean the same thing - hill-climbing would be resistance and strengthen muscles, but weight-bearing like jumping and running are what improves bone density. Thanks all!
If you climb the hill though, you'll likely have to come back down, which would be good for bones.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
I remember when I was in college the first time (two decades ago
) a teacher talked about a study someone had done where women with osteoporosis were put into two groups. One group just did their regular stuff, and the other group spent a short amount of time (20-30 minutes?) jumping off a box. It was only 4-6" off the ground, IIRC. The second group had significantly more bone density at the end of the study.
I'd prefer fun exercises to jumping off a box, but any sort of load bearing impact exercise would work, I guess.
It's been years since I attended that seminar but I believe they said jumping just 30 times a day was enough for the average otherwise healthy adult to avoid osteoporosis. So 30 jumping jacks, which would take only minutes, should do it.3 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
In my world, truly easy exercise is not enjoyable . . . especially over the long haul. There are plenty of very different delicious flavors of 'not easy', though.
A lot of people should do more LISS, though. (Relax; it's just an opinion. Do what meets your exercise needs, and I'll support you. I think most people should eat more veggies, too, but I don't force-feed my friends brussels sprouts. Mostly. )
I completely agree with you. I think some activity every day is the way to go and every day can't be high intensity. You body needs time to recover and build on the work. But all those days in between... a nice walk or bike ride is a beautiful thing. Helps with cardio health, active recovery, burns calories etc. I get that it is more time consuming and people have busy lives. So, that can be a factor. But LISS does seem to be unpopular these days.1 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
In my world, truly easy exercise is not enjoyable . . . especially over the long haul. There are plenty of very different delicious flavors of 'not easy', though.
A lot of people should do more LISS, though. (Relax; it's just an opinion. Do what meets your exercise needs, and I'll support you. I think most people should eat more veggies, too, but I don't force-feed my friends brussels sprouts. Mostly. )
I completely agree with you. I think some activity every day is the way to go and every day can't be high intensity. You body needs time to recover and build on the work. But all those days in between... a nice walk or bike ride is a beautiful thing. Helps with cardio health, active recovery, burns calories etc. I get that it is more time consuming and people have busy lives. So, that can be a factor. But LISS does seem to be unpopular these days.
Ironically, I think one 'marketing' factor is that LISS is perceived as not what the cool kids do. But in a lot of sports, elite athletes do and have done a boatload of LISS . . . just not LISS only.
When the hoi polloi mostly did LISS, some trainers clued to the idea that one thing many elites did and most average Jills and Joes didn't, was HIIT. That became a marketing hook those folks could use to sell product (books, videos, clicks, whatever) and the rest is history.
(As an aside, I think this is almost exactly analogous to the way hucksters sell "investing for the little guy" programs that use "the secrets of the ultra-rich".)8 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Oh I get it! "Weight-bearing" and "resistance" don't mean the same thing - hill-climbing would be resistance and strengthen muscles, but weight-bearing like jumping and running are what improves bone density. Thanks all!
If you climb the hill though, you'll likely have to come back down, which would be good for bones.
Only if you don't crash...1 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
In my world, truly easy exercise is not enjoyable . . . especially over the long haul. There are plenty of very different delicious flavors of 'not easy', though.
A lot of people should do more LISS, though. (Relax; it's just an opinion. Do what meets your exercise needs, and I'll support you. I think most people should eat more veggies, too, but I don't force-feed my friends brussels sprouts. Mostly. )
I completely agree with you. I think some activity every day is the way to go and every day can't be high intensity. You body needs time to recover and build on the work. But all those days in between... a nice walk or bike ride is a beautiful thing. Helps with cardio health, active recovery, burns calories etc. I get that it is more time consuming and people have busy lives. So, that can be a factor. But LISS does seem to be unpopular these days.
Ironically, I think one 'marketing' factor is that LISS is perceived as not what the cool kids do. But in a lot of sports, elite athletes do and have done a boatload of LISS . . . just not LISS only.
When the hoi polloi mostly did LISS, some trainers clued to the idea that one thing many elites did and most average Jills and Joes didn't, was HIIT. That became a marketing hook those folks could use to sell product (books, videos, clicks, whatever) and the rest is history.
(As an aside, I think this is almost exactly analogous to the way hucksters sell "investing for the little guy" programs that use "the secrets of the ultra-rich".)
Couldn't agree with you more!1 -
from personal experience I feel & loose much better eating foods that are good for me vs "junk food" with the same amount of calories! can't explain it10
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from personal experience I feel & loose much better eating foods that are good for me vs "junk food" with the same amount of calories! can't explain it
Less sodium, likely more fiber keeping things regular, logging errors being more substantial when the food is calorie dense, all of that coupled with some pattern seeking and you get your answer.8 -
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She might be more compliant or might have higher NEAT due to the psychological boost of feeling "on track".
That would be the only explanation if she is, in fact, losing faster.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
She might be more compliant or might have higher NEAT due to the psychological boost of feeling "on track".
That would be the only explanation if she is, in fact, losing faster.
absolutely but I expect this poster is alluding to "not all calories are the same" argument.3 -
unpopular opinion: the majority of "medical" explanations people give for their obesity are bogus5
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
I remember when I was in college the first time (two decades ago ) a teacher talked about a study someone had done where women with osteoporosis were put into two groups. One group just did their regular stuff, and the other group spent a short amount of time (20-30 minutes?) jumping off a box. It was only 4-6" off the ground, IIRC. The second group had significantly more bone density at the end of the study.
I'd prefer fun exercises to jumping off a box, but any sort of load bearing impact exercise would work, I guess.
It's been years since I attended that seminar but I believe they said jumping just 30 times a day was enough for the average otherwise healthy adult to avoid osteoporosis. So 30 jumping jacks, which would take only minutes, should do it.
Thanks for clarifying! I knew my memory was fuzzy.1 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.6 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.
good way to differentiate. It would be more accurate to say that weight loss is simple, but it's definitely not easy.1 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.
good way to differentiate. It would be more accurate to say that weight loss is simple, but it's definitely not easy.
I've said that many times on these boards but then people start in on "but but but it's impossible to know how much you're actually burning and what about TEF and different foods are metabolized differently.... "
I really think people want weight loss to be complicated. If it is simple, then many of us have no good excuse for getting fat in the first place, or for not losing the weight sooner, or for trying and failing many times. That's where I always remind them that while it is simple, it is not easy - and there are extenuating circumstances, medical conditions, personal situations, etc .
But what I don't understand is why people want to try to overcomplicate it unnecessarily, by majoring in the minors and making comments about "you can never know your TDEE to the decimal point so therefore CICO doesn't work". Directionally correct is good enough. Consistency in your approach with an awareness to monitor and adjust based on actual results, will get probably 95% of people to where they want to be. Extreme cases will exist where that approach doesn't help achieve the results they desire - but for the average person who is struggling with their weight, simply focusing on a consistent calorie reduction over time and an effort to eat basically a nutritionally balanced diet will provide so many benefits. Letting people believe it is complicated, or that one has to strive for perfection in dietary choices is what turns so many people off from even trying.
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Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.
good way to differentiate. It would be more accurate to say that weight loss is simple, but it's definitely not easy.
and easy is quite subjective.
I found that this time it was easy to lose the weight...mainly because I got educated.
I didn't feel I had to exclude foods or starve or do any big workouts all the time...so it was easy.
I got that I could eat burgers and bread and heck drink beer and eat pizza and AMG eat chocolate every night (I did too...not just a small piece an entire bar)
and still was in a deficit...it was easy and simple...this time.
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This is NOT my opinion. It's the opinion of some dumb butt in a diabetic community I'm in on Facebook.
Eating nothing but potatoes for a year (without butter or other fats) is a good idea to lose weight and lower your blood sugar. Of course he read about this diet on the web.
My eyes rolled so hard I sprained something.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2002nl/apr/potatoes.htm10 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.
good way to differentiate. It would be more accurate to say that weight loss is simple, but it's definitely not easy.
I've said that many times on these boards but then people start in on "but but but it's impossible to know how much you're actually burning and what about TEF and different foods are metabolized differently.... "
I really think people want weight loss to be complicated. If it is simple, then many of us have no good excuse for getting fat in the first place, or for not losing the weight sooner, or for trying and failing many times. That's where I always remind them that while it is simple, it is not easy - and there are extenuating circumstances, medical conditions, personal situations, etc .
But what I don't understand is why people want to try to overcomplicate it unnecessarily, by majoring in the minors and making comments about "you can never know your TDEE to the decimal point so therefore CICO doesn't work". Directionally correct is good enough. Consistency in your approach with an awareness to monitor and adjust based on actual results, will get probably 95% of people to where they want to be. Extreme cases will exist where that approach doesn't help achieve the results they desire - but for the average person who is struggling with their weight, simply focusing on a consistent calorie reduction over time and an effort to eat basically a nutritionally balanced diet will provide so many benefits. Letting people believe it is complicated, or that one has to strive for perfection in dietary choices is what turns so many people off from even trying.
This is more of a guess than an opinion but I think sometimes focusing on the minutiae and overly complicating things helps keep their minds off the fact that they really have nothing to blame for being so overweight except their own decision to overeat*. If only they'd eaten the right macros they wouldn't have been so hungry that they overate. If only they'd known how little they were burning through exercise they wouldn't have overate. If only they realized that carbs are a problem for them they wouldn't have overate. And so on.
*except for very young adults whose parents allowed them to overeat. Those are the only people IMO that can legitimately put the blame somewhere else, even though it doesn't change the solution.5 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.
good way to differentiate. It would be more accurate to say that weight loss is simple, but it's definitely not easy.
Indeed. The "how to" is simple. The "execution" of the "how to" is where things can get murky...1 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.
I think you're confusing easy and simple.
Easy means it doesn't take a lot of effort. For some people, adhering to a calorie deficit may be easy but for most who need to lose weight there is a challenge there; it takes conscious effort.
Simple means uncomplicated. Eat fewer calories than your body uses and you will lose weight. Add in some activity and get the right macro balance and most of the weight lost will be fat. But it isn't always easy to do that.
This concept is what draws the blank stares from people who ask "how do you get in shape?" I explain what I do, which is relatively simple to understand, but not easy to do if you have been living a lifestyle where you just eat what you want in unlimited quantities and don't exercise consistently. I'm tempted to also give them a container of sugar pills and say "and take one of these each day.", I honestly think that would convince them to attempt CICO.7 -
This is NOT my opinion. It's the opinion of some dumb butt in a diabetic community I'm in on Facebook.
Eating nothing but potatoes for a year (without butter or other fats) is a good idea to lose weight and lower your blood sugar. Of course he read about this diet on the web.
My eyes rolled so hard I sprained something.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2002nl/apr/potatoes.htm
Well . . . the Irish peasants WERE the healthiest among the European peasant class while they subsisted on potatoes and buttermilk. *insert sarcasm emoji here*2
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