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Going to need some proof for this load of BS.GaleHawkins wrote: »
Agreed. It is the combo of high sugar (carbs) and high fat in processed food that can make processed food a major cause of premature death world wide.
Cutting sugar and grains doesn't magically make someone lose weight, you cut calories also, whether you tried to out not.When I cut out added sugar and all forms of all grains Oct 2014 at the age of 63 that my weight without trying to cut calories dropped and maintained over the past three years.
Correct. @GaleHawkins may not have tried to cut calories, but in the end, he did.
As far as processed foods being the major cause of premature death wold wide I would say nay, being overweight, sedentary and combined with a slew of other not so great habits (smoking and drinking to name a couple) are probably closer to the major causes...5 -
I'm doing my first experiment with keto (also intermittent fasting and/or OMAD), I'm at day 81, and I've lost about 40 lbs. I've never had much of a problem with sweets except for soda pop, so keto isn't too far away from my normal diet in the first place. I can't argue with the results, and any sweet that I crave can be satisfied with a diet soda or some diabetic candy. If you've got a sweet tooth, I think keto would be much harder to follow.
How many calories and grams of protein are you eating because unless you are morbidly obese, that is super aggressive.1 -
Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.8 -
I'm doing my first experiment with keto (also intermittent fasting and/or OMAD), I'm at day 81, and I've lost about 40 lbs. I've never had much of a problem with sweets except for soda pop, so keto isn't too far away from my normal diet in the first place. I can't argue with the results, and any sweet that I crave can be satisfied with a diet soda or some diabetic candy. If you've got a sweet tooth, I think keto would be much harder to follow.
Some with a sweet tooth find keto makes life easier. No sweets often means no cravings so you finally have control over the amount you eat - even though it means almost no sweets.
Congrats on your success so far.
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Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
I don't disagree with you. I guess my overall point is there are so many ways to eat and be healthy. If keto does not sound like something you could do don't sweat it. Choose something that you can do.6 -
Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
some peoples cholesterol will change. for those like me the numbers raise.5 -
Going to need some proof for this load of BS.GaleHawkins wrote: »
Agreed. It is the combo of high sugar (carbs) and high fat in processed food that can make processed food a major cause of premature death world wide.
Cutting sugar and grains doesn't magically make someone lose weight, you cut calories also, whether you tried to out not.When I cut out added sugar and all forms of all grains Oct 2014 at the age of 63 that my weight without trying to cut calories dropped and maintained over the past three years.
I never cut out added sugars and all forms of all grains to lose weight. In fact after 40 years of dieting to lose weight I had deciding dieting to loose weight is a suckers game so I just found a macro that would let me stay stuffed and weight be managed automatically by the body.
I got suckered into the myth that it was all about CICO for 40 years before I learned it was all about finding the right macro that takes away all of my cravings. It has been working out just fine for the past 36 months for me.
Finding the macro that fixed my eating disorder (uncontrollable carb cravings) is reversing my failing health due to eating the wrong macro for 40 years.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
some peoples cholesterol will change. for those like me the numbers raise.
True. But you are one of the unfortunate few with an unsual health issue (familial hypercholesterolemia, correct?) that are affected by keo negatively - not one of the many who benefit. It would be the equivalent of me pointing out how gluten is bad because I'm a celiac. For most, it is fine. When it comes to cholesterol, your situation is uncommon.5 -
Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
I don't disagree with you. I guess my overall point is there are so many ways to eat and be healthy. If keto does not sound like something you could do don't sweat it. Choose something that you can do.
Agreed. Keto is not the end all be all diet for everyone.... just for some of us. Up to around half would probably do very well on it for their health's sake. For long term keto'ers it is mostly about health. There are a few who stick with it because they don't love carbs, but most stick with it because they feel so much better.2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
some peoples cholesterol will change. for those like me the numbers raise.
@CharlieBeansmomTracey you bring up a valid concern. Once I told the results of the test below my doctor showed no concern about my 300+ cholesterol number. I ordered it online so I paid for it but I wanted to know if the base cholesterol numbers had any real health value info and they did not in my case.
lifeextension.com/Vitamins-Supplements/itemLC123810/NMR-LipoProfile-Blood-Test
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Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
I don't disagree with you. I guess my overall point is there are so many ways to eat and be healthy. If keto does not sound like something you could do don't sweat it. Choose something that you can do.
Agreed. Keto is not the end all be all diet for everyone.... just for some of us. Up to around half would probably do very well on it for their health's sake. For long term keto'ers it is mostly about health. There are a few who stick with it because they don't love carbs, but most stick with it because they feel so much better.
Let's be honest here, anyone who makes changes to their diet (especially drastic changes) is doing it for the health. Its not exactly exlcusive to just those following lchf.. there are literally thousands of studies showing benefits from all types of diets.10 -
Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
I don't disagree with you. I guess my overall point is there are so many ways to eat and be healthy. If keto does not sound like something you could do don't sweat it. Choose something that you can do.
Agreed. Keto is not the end all be all diet for everyone.... just for some of us. Up to around half would probably do very well on it for their health's sake. For long term keto'ers it is mostly about health. There are a few who stick with it because they don't love carbs, but most stick with it because they feel so much better.
Let's be honest here, anyone who makes changes to their diet (especially drastic changes) is doing it for the health. Its not exactly exlcusive to just those following lchf.. there are literally thousands of studies showing benefits from all types of diets.
I think all are 100% in agreement that there are many valid WOE's out there.
Diets do not fail due to calorie intake being too low or too high but due to not eating the right macro for that person. Calorie intake will be automatic when the cause of any over/under eating disorder is addressed.
While LCHF took away 100% of my cravings for sugar and grain the cravings for sugar/grain may not be the disorder of another person at all.
I found getting close to the right macro is Job #1 for year in and year out success at lowering premature death risks. Yes one may have to count calories for a few months just to learn that calories are important but if one still has to count calories long term down the road then it is time to revisit their macro in most cases I expect.
While not very common I know there can be cases where eating disorders can not be fixed by finding the right macro. Some may even require another person to manage their Way Of Eating.
I just finished off three pounds of grapes today. They were spoiling very fast so I ate them all up. 14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Diets do not fail due to calorie intake being too low or too high but due to not eating the right macro for that person. Calorie intake will be automatic when the cause of any over/under eating disorder is addressed.
This is simply not universally (or even mostly) true.
First of all, it presumes there is one right "macro" for a person (I think you mean macro ratio, as a "macro" is fat or carbs or protein, not the mix of all three). That is disproven by the fact that human societies differ dramatically as to the macro ratio, and humans seem to be able to have a healthy diet on almost any (obviously some aren't adequate in terms of meeting nutrients, but that's not really about ratio).
Second, it presumes that people overeat due to eating the wrong macro ratio, and again that's disproven by the variety, and the lack of obese people in most traditional societies, as well as the large number of obese people with a variety of different ratios in more modern societies. There ARE things that seem to be universally positive (IMO, adequate protein consumption, lots of vegetables and other whole food plant foods is another) and other things that seem to more often than not be a problem (a sedentary society with lots of highly refined low nutrient extremely palatable foods that are easy to access with little work, sound familiar?). But none of this has to do with macros.
It is simply not true that half (let alone more) of all people in traditional high carb societies without food excess and with active populations get T2D or some such. Instead, the numbers are vanishingly low, as they also are in traditional low carb societies. So this idea that half of people (or any particular number of people) naturally do better on a low carb diet is just bunk.
Now, in a society like ours, where food is in surplus and some (not me, particularly, but as I understand it it was a problem for you) particularly enjoy fast food and grocery-store packaged treats that are easy to impulse buy at the store and have lots of calories as well as sugar and fat? Sure, many of us (and I'll include me too here) can find a limitation on how we eat to make things easier, and low carb can play a role in that (I find it easier not to be interested in eating between meals sometimes when low carbing, not sure why but it does have that effect).
Does that mean I (or you or anyone else) would be fat if not eating low carb? No, that's silly, and I know from experience that I can lose and be happy on a higher carb diet (I don't care for 100% plant based, as I miss meat, but I did it for a Lent and lost lots of weight without thinking about it, and I lost most of my weight not low carbing but eating around 40% carbs and sometimes up to 50%, and tended to stay lower only because that's how I naturally eat -- I wasn't cutting out carbs, but the foods I missed least).
This idea that people in the US only get fat due to EDs or that everyone has One True Macro is simply false.4 -
I will add that I think that eating healthfully is important, but carb % has nothing to do with that (carbs chosen, yes, as well as sources of fat and protein chose and the amount and how nutrient dense the diet is). And probably even more than eating a generally healthy diet, what I think is important -- for myself, and for those able to do it -- is being active. Exercise. I think it's really a shame how much the thrust of the conversation on MFP (at least in discussions like this) tend to elevate the most insignificant nuances of a diet and completely ignore the importance of exercise, especially as we age.4
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I'm keto, it's been a life line for me4
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I will add that I think that eating healthfully is important, but carb % has nothing to do with that (carbs chosen, yes, as well as sources of fat and protein chose and the amount and how nutrient dense the diet is). And probably even more than eating a generally healthy diet, what I think is important -- for myself, and for those able to do it -- is being active. Exercise. I think it's really a shame how much the thrust of the conversation on MFP (at least in discussions like this) tend to elevate the most insignificant nuances of a diet and completely ignore the importance of exercise, especially as we age.
This can not be stressed enough. IMO far too much emphasis is put on diet and not nearly enough on exercise...6 -
I lost my first 25lbs on keto, before I really learned about CICO and IIFYM.
That being said, I've recently been diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. When I first did keto, I felt a sense of calm and contentment that I would like to try to reclaim, to see if I can further control my anxiety in the wake of a huge increase in work stress.
The fact that I'm hoping it'll help me manage IF and dropping another 20-30lbs is there, too.
I don't plan to keep keto forever, but I do plan to use it to lose fat and manage stress during the next 6-12 months and then slowly and smartly transition out of it back into regular CICO and IF for maintenance/bulking (we'll see where I end up).3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is annty real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
some peoples cholesterol will change. for those like me the numbers raise.
@CharlieBeansmomTracey you bring up a valid concern. Once I told the results of the test below my doctor showed no concern about my 300+ cholesterol number. I ordered it online so I paid for it but I wanted to know if the base cholesterol numbers had any real health value info and they did not in my case.
lifeextension.com/Vitamins-Supplements/itemLC123810/NMR-LipoProfile-Blood-Test
for me I have familial hypercholesterolemia so not only were my triglycerides high but my LDL-C and LDL-P were high. my HDL is good and usually is. some of my other numbers were high, when I was first tested for cholesterol my triglycerides were over 2000. some of the other numbers were over that., so for me cholesterol and fats arent properly filtered out and used like a person with just high cholesterol and no FH, my body stores it and then my body will signal to make more cholesterol even though what I take in isnt being used and processed properly. which is why I have to be low fat and cholesterol. as for having any real health value info, I would say for me the numbers tell a bigger picture. maybe for others they are just numbers. my dr also tests my insulin resistance as well and those numbers are in the normal range.
you dr should have shown concern with cholesterol that high. for me they were concerned even before they knew I had FH,because I was in my early 20s when I had high numbers,they were really high like I said. for me not watching my diet and taking meds I could have had a heart attack,stroke,TIA by my 50s. Im 43. I didnt want that so I now do the low fat,low cholesterol and high fiber. Not to mention those with FH (there are more than one type)if they dont watch their diet ,can also end up with type 2 diabetes and other health issues. its hereditary too.3 -
I lost my first 25lbs on keto, before I really learned about CICO and IIFYM.
That being said, I've recently been diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. When I first did keto, I felt a sense of calm and contentment that I would like to try to reclaim, to see if I can further control my anxiety in the wake of a huge increase in work stress.
The fact that I'm hoping it'll help me manage IF and dropping another 20-30lbs is there, too.
I don't plan to keep keto forever, but I do plan to use it to lose fat and manage stress during the next 6-12 months and then slowly and smartly transition out of it back into regular CICO and IF for maintenance/bulking (we'll see where I end up).
you realize that fat is lost in a calorie deficit no matter what way you eat, and keto is not a magical fat burning diet? the fat you are burning is the fat you consume which is turned into ketones for energy. you lose fat from a deficit not just doing keto.9 -
Keto works for those it works for, nothing more nothing less. It's not magic, just one of the many many ways to eat. Find what works for you and go with it. Health benefits come from the weight loss, not the method you chose to get there...
The bolded can be incorrect. Often when people switch to a keto or LCHF diet, the health benefots come before weight loss. Those with IR will often see better BG numbers before there is any real fat loss. Cholesterol numbers will change if you add more fat, often for the better. Inflammation will go down if you avoid foods that cause it - often sugars.
Weight loss can improve some things but so can a healthy diet, which for many people may mean keto.
I don't disagree with you. I guess my overall point is there are so many ways to eat and be healthy. If keto does not sound like something you could do don't sweat it. Choose something that you can do.
Agreed. Keto is not the end all be all diet for everyone.... just for some of us. Up to around half would probably do very well on it for their health's sake. For long term keto'ers it is mostly about health. There are a few who stick with it because they don't love carbs, but most stick with it because they feel so much better.
Let's be honest here, anyone who makes changes to their diet (especially drastic changes) is doing it for the health. Its not exactly exlcusive to just those following lchf.. there are literally thousands of studies showing benefits from all types of diets.
In most cases I would agree. Most people consciously make an effort change their diets for health reasons. I never said that was exclusive to LCHF or keto. I said most people who stick with it are doing so for health reasons. Let's face it, it can be a restrictive diet -especially if you don't cook- so people often need a strong reason to stick with it.
I imagine it would be similar with veganism - you feel much better or it validates a belief enough that people are happy to put up with any inconvenience.
Now dietary changes that just seem to "happen" tend to go the other way. Sugary foods and less healthy choices can be easy to slip back into. Going healthier seems to take more awareness of food choices. It's harder and less convenient.1
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