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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am intrigued by the concept of this druidwurst, even though I doubt I could eat it with my stupid food sensitivities. That's awesome of that food truck to provide for a niche customer base like that, though.
I'll report back (I suspect it does have gluten).
Most vegan meat subs are either gluten or soy based. I can't have either. Cue sad trombone music.
There's a very limited range of meat sub products that I can eat and I really only use one of them. It's made with pea protein.
It's a shame, because I really do love tofu. I was looking at that picture Kimny posted and thinking how tasty that pineapple kebab skewer would be with marinated tofu. Sadly, no can do.
There's an increasing number of pea-based, gluten-free meat substitutes coming on the market in NZ. Unfortunately they have apparently nailed the taste and texture, which means a no for me (cos ick, yuck, gross, can't even handle quorn b/c of the texture). Though there is word of a bacon one in the pipelines, and I will be all over that if it's GF.1 -
Bacon? Did someone say bacon? This is what hubby is getting for Christmas.
https://www.deliciou.com/collections/frontpage/products/bacon-seasoning-combo-pack?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0vnQBRDmARIsAEL0M1mII6CXKxWgNaZpwO97rD15putM-7nP0dMV04yUgXO3vxxXkNNsTSsaAszQEALw_wcB0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am intrigued by the concept of this druidwurst, even though I doubt I could eat it with my stupid food sensitivities. That's awesome of that food truck to provide for a niche customer base like that, though.
I'll report back (I suspect it does have gluten).
Most vegan meat subs are either gluten or soy based. I can't have either. Cue sad trombone music.
There's a very limited range of meat sub products that I can eat and I really only use one of them. It's made with pea protein.
It's a shame, because I really do love tofu. I was looking at that picture Kimny posted and thinking how tasty that pineapple kebab skewer would be with marinated tofu. Sadly, no can do.
There's an increasing number of pea-based, gluten-free meat substitutes coming on the market in NZ. Unfortunately they have apparently nailed the taste and texture, which means a no for me (cos ick, yuck, gross, can't even handle quorn b/c of the texture). Though there is word of a bacon one in the pipelines, and I will be all over that if it's GF.
There is no pea protein bacon sub here in the States. They all have soy or gluten. This makes me very sad.
The one pea protein sub I eat regularly doesn't have too similar a texture. They do have a burger variant available that's delicious, but that texture is a bit too close for me.
I tried Quorn variant I could eat and didn't care for it. The texture was a bit icky but okay masked in a salad, but the biggest sin it committed was not being filling.0 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Bacon? Did someone say bacon? This is what hubby is getting for Christmas.
https://www.deliciou.com/collections/frontpage/products/bacon-seasoning-combo-pack?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0vnQBRDmARIsAEL0M1mII6CXKxWgNaZpwO97rD15putM-7nP0dMV04yUgXO3vxxXkNNsTSsaAszQEALw_wcB
Oh, that looks delightful. When I want a bacon flavor, I use a bacon seasoning that's vegetarian and gluten free. It's tasty sprinkled on salads or cottage cheese. Or popcorn.2 -
Had a case of this delivered a few weeks ago. It's what I use for bacon flavoring.8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am intrigued by the concept of this druidwurst, even though I doubt I could eat it with my stupid food sensitivities. That's awesome of that food truck to provide for a niche customer base like that, though.
I'll report back (I suspect it does have gluten).
Most vegan meat subs are either gluten or soy based. I can't have either. Cue sad trombone music.
There's a very limited range of meat sub products that I can eat and I really only use one of them. It's made with pea protein.
It's a shame, because I really do love tofu. I was looking at that picture Kimny posted and thinking how tasty that pineapple kebab skewer would be with marinated tofu. Sadly, no can do.
There's an increasing number of pea-based, gluten-free meat substitutes coming on the market in NZ. Unfortunately they have apparently nailed the taste and texture, which means a no for me (cos ick, yuck, gross, can't even handle quorn b/c of the texture). Though there is word of a bacon one in the pipelines, and I will be all over that if it's GF.
There is no pea protein bacon sub here in the States. They all have soy or gluten. This makes me very sad.
The one pea protein sub I eat regularly doesn't have too similar a texture. They do have a burger variant available that's delicious, but that texture is a bit too close for me.
I tried Quorn variant I could eat and didn't care for it. The texture was a bit icky but okay masked in a salad, but the biggest sin it committed was not being filling.
Yeah, all the bacon subs here have soy or gluten. I'm fine with soy (I think, haven't have much lately), so could be okay with the tempeh one, but really, I can just make that myself. Was so disappointed on finally tracking down a newish non-meat 'salami' that it had gluten.
Speaking of making one's own Facon, have I given you my recipe? Buckwheat and adzuki based, it's pretty good! Does have soy sauce though, not sure if you can sub something else for that.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Had a case of this delivered a few weeks ago. It's what I use for bacon flavoring.
Nice choice. Any cheese curds from Osceola Cheese to accompany Burgers Bacon?0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am intrigued by the concept of this druidwurst, even though I doubt I could eat it with my stupid food sensitivities. That's awesome of that food truck to provide for a niche customer base like that, though.
I'll report back (I suspect it does have gluten).
Most vegan meat subs are either gluten or soy based. I can't have either. Cue sad trombone music.
There's a very limited range of meat sub products that I can eat and I really only use one of them. It's made with pea protein.
It's a shame, because I really do love tofu. I was looking at that picture Kimny posted and thinking how tasty that pineapple kebab skewer would be with marinated tofu. Sadly, no can do.
There's an increasing number of pea-based, gluten-free meat substitutes coming on the market in NZ. Unfortunately they have apparently nailed the taste and texture, which means a no for me (cos ick, yuck, gross, can't even handle quorn b/c of the texture). Though there is word of a bacon one in the pipelines, and I will be all over that if it's GF.
There is no pea protein bacon sub here in the States. They all have soy or gluten. This makes me very sad.
The one pea protein sub I eat regularly doesn't have too similar a texture. They do have a burger variant available that's delicious, but that texture is a bit too close for me.
I tried Quorn variant I could eat and didn't care for it. The texture was a bit icky but okay masked in a salad, but the biggest sin it committed was not being filling.
Yeah, all the bacon subs here have soy or gluten. I'm fine with soy (I think, haven't have much lately), so could be okay with the tempeh one, but really, I can just make that myself. Was so disappointed on finally tracking down a newish non-meat 'salami' that it had gluten.
Speaking of making one's own Facon, have I given you my recipe? Buckwheat and adzuki based, it's pretty good! Does have soy sauce though, not sure if you can sub something else for that.
Coconut aminos are a close approximation for soy sauce. I'd love the recipe!2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Had a case of this delivered a few weeks ago. It's what I use for bacon flavoring.
Nice choice. Any cheese curds from Osceola Cheese to accompany Burgers Bacon?
No, but I spent the first 18 years of my life less than 30 miles from there.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am intrigued by the concept of this druidwurst, even though I doubt I could eat it with my stupid food sensitivities. That's awesome of that food truck to provide for a niche customer base like that, though.
I'll report back (I suspect it does have gluten).
Most vegan meat subs are either gluten or soy based. I can't have either. Cue sad trombone music.
There's a very limited range of meat sub products that I can eat and I really only use one of them. It's made with pea protein.
It's a shame, because I really do love tofu. I was looking at that picture Kimny posted and thinking how tasty that pineapple kebab skewer would be with marinated tofu. Sadly, no can do.
There's an increasing number of pea-based, gluten-free meat substitutes coming on the market in NZ. Unfortunately they have apparently nailed the taste and texture, which means a no for me (cos ick, yuck, gross, can't even handle quorn b/c of the texture). Though there is word of a bacon one in the pipelines, and I will be all over that if it's GF.
There is no pea protein bacon sub here in the States. They all have soy or gluten. This makes me very sad.
The one pea protein sub I eat regularly doesn't have too similar a texture. They do have a burger variant available that's delicious, but that texture is a bit too close for me.
I tried Quorn variant I could eat and didn't care for it. The texture was a bit icky but okay masked in a salad, but the biggest sin it committed was not being filling.
Yeah, all the bacon subs here have soy or gluten. I'm fine with soy (I think, haven't have much lately), so could be okay with the tempeh one, but really, I can just make that myself. Was so disappointed on finally tracking down a newish non-meat 'salami' that it had gluten.
Speaking of making one's own Facon, have I given you my recipe? Buckwheat and adzuki based, it's pretty good! Does have soy sauce though, not sure if you can sub something else for that.
Coconut aminos are a close approximation for soy sauce. I'd love the recipe!
In your inbox, lady
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am intrigued by the concept of this druidwurst, even though I doubt I could eat it with my stupid food sensitivities. That's awesome of that food truck to provide for a niche customer base like that, though.
I'll report back (I suspect it does have gluten).
Most vegan meat subs are either gluten or soy based. I can't have either. Cue sad trombone music.
There's a very limited range of meat sub products that I can eat and I really only use one of them. It's made with pea protein.
It's a shame, because I really do love tofu. I was looking at that picture Kimny posted and thinking how tasty that pineapple kebab skewer would be with marinated tofu. Sadly, no can do.
There's an increasing number of pea-based, gluten-free meat substitutes coming on the market in NZ. Unfortunately they have apparently nailed the taste and texture, which means a no for me (cos ick, yuck, gross, can't even handle quorn b/c of the texture). Though there is word of a bacon one in the pipelines, and I will be all over that if it's GF.
There is no pea protein bacon sub here in the States. They all have soy or gluten. This makes me very sad.
The one pea protein sub I eat regularly doesn't have too similar a texture. They do have a burger variant available that's delicious, but that texture is a bit too close for me.
I tried Quorn variant I could eat and didn't care for it. The texture was a bit icky but okay masked in a salad, but the biggest sin it committed was not being filling.
Yeah, all the bacon subs here have soy or gluten. I'm fine with soy (I think, haven't have much lately), so could be okay with the tempeh one, but really, I can just make that myself. Was so disappointed on finally tracking down a newish non-meat 'salami' that it had gluten.
Speaking of making one's own Facon, have I given you my recipe? Buckwheat and adzuki based, it's pretty good! Does have soy sauce though, not sure if you can sub something else for that.
Coconut aminos are a close approximation for soy sauce. I'd love the recipe!
In your inbox, lady
Thank you kindly! My local grocery recently did a remodel and has a new expanded gluten free section that includes a full range of this brand called Bob's Red Mill. One of the things they carry every variety of are beans. It's nice knowing I can get some adzuki beans when I pop in to pick up some milk (yet again, the need never ends with a growing teenager guzzling it down).1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »
@blambo61
The above image is a page from a log book given to me by my psychiatrist from the eating disorder clinic where i was diagnosed. I want you to see the chaos on those pages. Where i pleaded with myself to just stop.
Where i would plan to not eat then fail and end up eating anyway.
Where i would plan to try and offset the eating with cardio and also fail doing that too.
The words i write in sad desperation, of just being tired of going through this every single day..
I want you to scroll back through Gale's posts and find the same level of detail about his eating disorder.
I want you to tell me all the things he tried and failed at. I want you to tell me all the massive amounts of food he was consuming besides a banana split at dairy queen. I want you to tell me who specifically confirmed he has an eating disorder in order for him to say he had one but didn't know it until he went keto and found resolve. I want you to tell me all about his eating disorder that he hasn't just read what i've written and said "that reminds me of what i did with no other information attached. He was asked to share details of his eating disorder. If he had a privacy concern, he would of said that he did not feel comfortable, however he didn't, he did write something but it did not describe an eating disorder in the least. Since you really are convinced Gale is correct in his claims, by his posts, i want you to point out the same level of details i have given about my own eating disorder.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your candor and bravery in this thread.
I do see a lot of frustration in that log, but did it show that you ate 2150kcals for the day? That does not seem like binge levels to me. It may be too much for weight loss for a shorter women but not a ton of calories. No?11 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Kriss I just have to say that I admire your honesty in the hopes of educating others about BED. It takes a strong person to reveal so much about themselves. Sadly it has fallen on ears of people unwilling to learn.
Some, clearly.
But I feel compelled to say that I've learned a lot here from @HellYeahItsKriss's brave and persistent honesty, and I'll bet others reading have, too. (In that sense, it's too bad the thread has been deprecated down-list.)
Thank you, Kriss.
Thanks guys. I want people who experience what I wrote and shared to contact me too if they want. Please don't go the route of keto and IF and prolong the problems longer then they need to. If a professional BED therapist reviews with you that you don't have a disorder then yes. Try other eating avenues AFTER.
I don't see why someone would not want to do a 30-day trial to see if IF works for them (something like a 20:4 routine, not a 5:2 routine). If it works, great, you have saved a lot of money and are on your way! If not, did that really set them back that much when they have probably had the problem for some time? I also don't see why someone couldn't try it after seeing a Dr..17 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Kriss I just have to say that I admire your honesty in the hopes of educating others about BED. It takes a strong person to reveal so much about themselves. Sadly it has fallen on ears of people unwilling to learn.
Some, clearly.
But I feel compelled to say that I've learned a lot here from @HellYeahItsKriss's brave and persistent honesty, and I'll bet others reading have, too. (In that sense, it's too bad the thread has been deprecated down-list.)
Thank you, Kriss.
Thanks guys. I want people who experience what I wrote and shared to contact me too if they want. Please don't go the route of keto and IF and prolong the problems longer then they need to. If a professional BED therapist reviews with you that you don't have a disorder then yes. Try other eating avenues AFTER.
I don't see why someone would not want to do a 30-day trial to see if IF works for them (something like a 20:4 routine, not a 5:2 routine). If it works, great, you have saved a lot of money and are on your way! If not, did that really set them back that much when they have probably had the problem for some time?
You have got to be (insert every swear word imaginable) kidding.
This is reckless, dangerous, callous, and completely insensitive.
People should not "try" IF if they think they have an eating disorder. They need to get help from a trained clinical professional. Period. Please, for the love of God, stop trying to promote this. Go in threads about weight loss and cheer for keto and IF all you want, but you need to stop suggesting it as a potential solution for eating disorders.17 -
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WinoGelato wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Kriss I just have to say that I admire your honesty in the hopes of educating others about BED. It takes a strong person to reveal so much about themselves. Sadly it has fallen on ears of people unwilling to learn.
Some, clearly.
But I feel compelled to say that I've learned a lot here from @HellYeahItsKriss's brave and persistent honesty, and I'll bet others reading have, too. (In that sense, it's too bad the thread has been deprecated down-list.)
Thank you, Kriss.
Thanks guys. I want people who experience what I wrote and shared to contact me too if they want. Please don't go the route of keto and IF and prolong the problems longer then they need to. If a professional BED therapist reviews with you that you don't have a disorder then yes. Try other eating avenues AFTER.
I don't see why someone would not want to do a 30-day trial to see if IF works for them (something like a 20:4 routine, not a 5:2 routine). If it works, great, you have saved a lot of money and are on your way! If not, did that really set them back that much when they have probably had the problem for some time?
You have got to be (insert every swear word imaginable) kidding.
This is reckless, dangerous, callous, and completely insensitive.
People should not "try" IF if they think they have an eating disorder. They need to get help from a trained clinical professional. Period. Please, for the love of God, stop trying to promote this. Go in threads about weight loss and cheer for keto and IF all you want, but you need to stop suggesting it as a potential solution for eating disorders.
Seconded.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »
@blambo61
The above image is a page from a log book given to me by my psychiatrist from the eating disorder clinic where i was diagnosed. I want you to see the chaos on those pages. Where i pleaded with myself to just stop.
Where i would plan to not eat then fail and end up eating anyway.
Where i would plan to try and offset the eating with cardio and also fail doing that too.
The words i write in sad desperation, of just being tired of going through this every single day..
I want you to scroll back through Gale's posts and find the same level of detail about his eating disorder.
I want you to tell me all the things he tried and failed at. I want you to tell me all the massive amounts of food he was consuming besides a banana split at dairy queen. I want you to tell me who specifically confirmed he has an eating disorder in order for him to say he had one but didn't know it until he went keto and found resolve. I want you to tell me all about his eating disorder that he hasn't just read what i've written and said "that reminds me of what i did with no other information attached. He was asked to share details of his eating disorder. If he had a privacy concern, he would of said that he did not feel comfortable, however he didn't, he did write something but it did not describe an eating disorder in the least. Since you really are convinced Gale is correct in his claims, by his posts, i want you to point out the same level of details i have given about my own eating disorder.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your candor and bravery in this thread.
I do see a lot of frustration in that log, but did it show that you ate 2150kcals for the day? That does not seem like binge levels to me. It may be too much for weight loss for a shorter women but not a ton of calories. No?
Now you are telling the woman, who has shared some of her deepest darkest secrets here for strangers to read in the hopes that it will help someone - that you don't think what she described is that bad? It doesn't matter what the calories were. What matters is that she was out of control That she was trying desperately NOT to eat and she could not do it. Read the words that she wrote to herself. Try to imagine her pain, her shame, her fear, her anger at herself. Now tell her again that you don't think it's a big deal. You have sunk to a new low in trying to rationalize your advice and trivializing her experiences. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.15 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »
@blambo61
The above image is a page from a log book given to me by my psychiatrist from the eating disorder clinic where i was diagnosed. I want you to see the chaos on those pages. Where i pleaded with myself to just stop.
Where i would plan to not eat then fail and end up eating anyway.
Where i would plan to try and offset the eating with cardio and also fail doing that too.
The words i write in sad desperation, of just being tired of going through this every single day..
I want you to scroll back through Gale's posts and find the same level of detail about his eating disorder.
I want you to tell me all the things he tried and failed at. I want you to tell me all the massive amounts of food he was consuming besides a banana split at dairy queen. I want you to tell me who specifically confirmed he has an eating disorder in order for him to say he had one but didn't know it until he went keto and found resolve. I want you to tell me all about his eating disorder that he hasn't just read what i've written and said "that reminds me of what i did with no other information attached. He was asked to share details of his eating disorder. If he had a privacy concern, he would of said that he did not feel comfortable, however he didn't, he did write something but it did not describe an eating disorder in the least. Since you really are convinced Gale is correct in his claims, by his posts, i want you to point out the same level of details i have given about my own eating disorder.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your candor and bravery in this thread.
I do see a lot of frustration in that log, but did it show that you ate 2150kcals for the day? That does not seem like binge levels to me. It may be too much for weight loss for a shorter women but not a ton of calories. No?
Now you are telling the woman, who has shared some of her deepest darkest secrets here for strangers to read in the hopes that it will help someone - that you don't think what she described is that bad? It doesn't matter what the calories were. What matters is that she was out of control That she was trying desperately NOT to eat and she could not do it. Read the words that she wrote to herself. Try to imagine her pain, her shame, her fear, her anger at herself. Now tell her again that you don't think it's a big deal. You have sunk to a new low in trying to rationalize your advice and trivializing her experiences. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I'm trying to understand what she is saying/experiencing. First you all say someone who eats a little desert doesn't have BED then I ask if this is still BED while not eating that many calories and I get reamed that way! Unbelievable.
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janejellyroll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »
@blambo61
The above image is a page from a log book given to me by my psychiatrist from the eating disorder clinic where i was diagnosed. I want you to see the chaos on those pages. Where i pleaded with myself to just stop.
Where i would plan to not eat then fail and end up eating anyway.
Where i would plan to try and offset the eating with cardio and also fail doing that too.
The words i write in sad desperation, of just being tired of going through this every single day..
I want you to scroll back through Gale's posts and find the same level of detail about his eating disorder.
I want you to tell me all the things he tried and failed at. I want you to tell me all the massive amounts of food he was consuming besides a banana split at dairy queen. I want you to tell me who specifically confirmed he has an eating disorder in order for him to say he had one but didn't know it until he went keto and found resolve. I want you to tell me all about his eating disorder that he hasn't just read what i've written and said "that reminds me of what i did with no other information attached. He was asked to share details of his eating disorder. If he had a privacy concern, he would of said that he did not feel comfortable, however he didn't, he did write something but it did not describe an eating disorder in the least. Since you really are convinced Gale is correct in his claims, by his posts, i want you to point out the same level of details i have given about my own eating disorder.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your candor and bravery in this thread.
I do see a lot of frustration in that log, but did it show that you ate 2150kcals for the day? That does not seem like binge levels to me. It may be too much for weight loss for a shorter women but not a ton of calories. No?
This is proof you don't understand what BED is. It has nothing to do with calories, it is a psychological disorder. You should not be recommending treatment options for a disease you don't understand. People can die from EDs. Please stop.9 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »
@blambo61
The above image is a page from a log book given to me by my psychiatrist from the eating disorder clinic where i was diagnosed. I want you to see the chaos on those pages. Where i pleaded with myself to just stop.
Where i would plan to not eat then fail and end up eating anyway.
Where i would plan to try and offset the eating with cardio and also fail doing that too.
The words i write in sad desperation, of just being tired of going through this every single day..
I want you to scroll back through Gale's posts and find the same level of detail about his eating disorder.
I want you to tell me all the things he tried and failed at. I want you to tell me all the massive amounts of food he was consuming besides a banana split at dairy queen. I want you to tell me who specifically confirmed he has an eating disorder in order for him to say he had one but didn't know it until he went keto and found resolve. I want you to tell me all about his eating disorder that he hasn't just read what i've written and said "that reminds me of what i did with no other information attached. He was asked to share details of his eating disorder. If he had a privacy concern, he would of said that he did not feel comfortable, however he didn't, he did write something but it did not describe an eating disorder in the least. Since you really are convinced Gale is correct in his claims, by his posts, i want you to point out the same level of details i have given about my own eating disorder.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your candor and bravery in this thread.
I do see a lot of frustration in that log, but did it show that you ate 2150kcals for the day? That does not seem like binge levels to me. It may be too much for weight loss for a shorter women but not a ton of calories. No?
Now you are telling the woman, who has shared some of her deepest darkest secrets here for strangers to read in the hopes that it will help someone - that you don't think what she described is that bad? It doesn't matter what the calories were. What matters is that she was out of control That she was trying desperately NOT to eat and she could not do it. Read the words that she wrote to herself. Try to imagine her pain, her shame, her fear, her anger at herself. Now tell her again that you don't think it's a big deal. You have sunk to a new low in trying to rationalize your advice and trivializing her experiences. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I'm trying to understand what she is saying/experiencing. First you all say someone who eats a little desert doesn't have BED then I ask if this is still BED while not eating that many calories and I get reamed that way! Unbelievable.
She has said this to you time and time again on this thread. It isn't about the food. It isn't about the calorie level. It is a psychological disorder. The feelings of desperation that jump off of the page - that is what Binge Eating Disorder is.
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