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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ack! There's no way I can catch up with you chatty people!
I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas if you were celebrating. Ours was delightful, and my eating was... abundant. But it was just that day.
I didn't feel like logging the next day, but I ate foods that I've eaten before and weighed them out without logging and knew I was at deficit given my Fitbit numbers.
Today I logged and was at deficit.
I figure last week being off the rails completely constituted enough of a diet break for me. Interestingly, I read something that gave me some insight into why this might have happened and have taken this insight on board and am ready and have my head back in the game now.
I'm still not ready to face the scale, but that will come in a few days.
Synopsis seems to be that everyone had an enjoyable Christmas, some food porn pics, Nony's hay fever is kicking her *kitten* to the point she's willing to spend potentially thousands of $$ on allergy shots, Anubis got food poisoning in Vegas.
That seems to sun it up nicely!
Nony, I had allergy shots for about 5 years when I was in my 40s. They were really helpful, like you I had been taking a round-robin of allergy meds and the symptoms kept getting worse. After I stopped the shots the allergies never got as bad as they were before, although I go through periods when I'm taking allergy meds pretty much every morning (especially when the winds are blowing in the summer). It's really worth a try.
Yeah, the shots work for 8 out of 10 people. Further reading tells me they'll do the pollen ones out of season (which makes sense), and dust mites, if that's an issue, once contact has been reduced (which I guess means keeping my house sparkling clean, joy). God knows how I will reduce exposure to cat dander if that's on the list. The cats are not going anywhere.
I need to take what I take daily (it's a slow release 24 hour thingy) because I do have year round allergies. Something always bothers them. The worst offender is ragweed in the fall.2 -
Talking of allergies, I've just had to cancel friends coming for New Year as the top half of my face is twice the size it was. A Christmas gift of individual eyelashes (salon applied) has turned into a supersize nightmare. My eyes and tops of my cheeks are so swollen and bruised they look like they are about to split (in fact, my eyelids are bleeding already). Off to the doc in a minute for the third time in three days. I'm on 6 Piriton a day and antihistamine eyedrops with the promise of a hospital visit if the swelling doesn't start to abate soon.
As a salve, I have put not one but two pairs of glittery boots through the checkout basket, inspired by VintageFeline's post a few days ago.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ack! There's no way I can catch up with you chatty people!
I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas if you were celebrating. Ours was delightful, and my eating was... abundant. But it was just that day.
I didn't feel like logging the next day, but I ate foods that I've eaten before and weighed them out without logging and knew I was at deficit given my Fitbit numbers.
Today I logged and was at deficit.
I figure last week being off the rails completely constituted enough of a diet break for me. Interestingly, I read something that gave me some insight into why this might have happened and have taken this insight on board and am ready and have my head back in the game now.
I'm still not ready to face the scale, but that will come in a few days.
Synopsis seems to be that everyone had an enjoyable Christmas, some food porn pics, Nony's hay fever is kicking her *kitten* to the point she's willing to spend potentially thousands of $$ on allergy shots, Anubis got food poisoning in Vegas.
That seems to sun it up nicely!
Nony, I had allergy shots for about 5 years when I was in my 40s. They were really helpful, like you I had been taking a round-robin of allergy meds and the symptoms kept getting worse. After I stopped the shots the allergies never got as bad as they were before, although I go through periods when I'm taking allergy meds pretty much every morning (especially when the winds are blowing in the summer). It's really worth a try.
Yeah, the shots work for 8 out of 10 people. Further reading tells me they'll do the pollen ones out of season (which makes sense), and dust mites, if that's an issue, once contact has been reduced (which I guess means keeping my house sparkling clean, joy). God knows how I will reduce exposure to cat dander if that's on the list. The cats are not going anywhere.
I need to take what I take daily (it's a slow release 24 hour thingy) because I do have year round allergies. Something always bothers them. The worst offender is ragweed in the fall.
I take tablets almost daily. Because cats. Though I do have a high tolerance to them as long as I don't put an unwashed finger in my eye or I'm sick. Early spring tree pollen is my kryptonite.1 -
Talking of allergies, I've just had to cancel friends coming for New Year as the top half of my face is twice the size it was. A Christmas gift of individual eyelashes (salon applied) has turned into a supersize nightmare. My eyes and tops of my cheeks are so swollen and bruised they look like they are about to split (in fact, my eyelids are bleeding already). Off to the doc in a minute for the third time in three days. I'm on 6 Piriton a day and antihistamine eyedrops with the promise of a hospital visit if the swelling doesn't start to abate soon.
As a salve, I have put not one but two pairs of glittery boots through the checkout basket, inspired by VintageFeline's post a few days ago.
My ability to enable knows no bounds! I am literally "that" friend. In the last month I have had one friend buy boots, bag and jacket. Another two friends buy the same dress and a different friend again buy a jumpsuit. I shop vicariously through other people and their cash that I don't have, heh. I am excited for my boots though, I don't actually have any low/flat boots so they'll genuinely fill a gap in my overstuffed shoe arsenal.
Sparkly boots 4lyf.
Edit because brain is hopeless: Bloody awful on the eyelash reaction, are they not obliged to do a skin test like hairdressers are for dye?2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Talking of allergies, I've just had to cancel friends coming for New Year as the top half of my face is twice the size it was. A Christmas gift of individual eyelashes (salon applied) has turned into a supersize nightmare. My eyes and tops of my cheeks are so swollen and bruised they look like they are about to split (in fact, my eyelids are bleeding already). Off to the doc in a minute for the third time in three days. I'm on 6 Piriton a day and antihistamine eyedrops with the promise of a hospital visit if the swelling doesn't start to abate soon.
As a salve, I have put not one but two pairs of glittery boots through the checkout basket, inspired by VintageFeline's post a few days ago.
My ability to enable knows no bounds! I am literally "that" friend. In the last month I have had one friend buy boots, bag and jacket. Another two friends buy the same dress and a different friend again buy a jumpsuit. I shop vicariously through other people and their cash that I don't have, heh. I am excited for my boots though, I don't actually have any low/flat boots so they'll genuinely fill a gap in my overstuffed shoe arsenal.
Sparkly boots 4lyf.
Edit because brain is hopeless: Bloody awful on the eyelash reaction, are they not obliged to do a skin test like hairdressers are for dye?
Well, I thank you (as I'm sure your friends do to) for being my glittery boot purchase enabler, although my bank manager may not feel the same way. Glittery kitten heels for life, haha.
Unfortunately, my eyes are so swollen I can barely see them. Back from docs with Prednisolone now, so the heavy hitters are in force.
The salon did a patch test for both eyebrow wax and eyelash glue. I suspect the allergy is to the glue remover. Once all this has abated, I'll have some more tests of various substances done, though I think my days of fluttery eyelashes are now in the past
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Howdy folks, hope you all had a good one
Back home after 6 nights at my brothers house which was horrible. Food was delicious though, he went to town. I have been eating between 2700 and 3200 daily, had a few walks, done a fair bit of NEAT. Definitely broke the diet haha but don't care if I put a little on, at all.
Still 5 days left of diet break, getting in the gym tomorrow then got shopping trip to get all the goodies in - ready to go back to deficit. I am going hard, don't care what you say, I can survive very nicely on 2000 a day for the next 12 week block, aim to drop 25lbs in that time. May eat back some calories on hard training days if hungry.
Probably 3rd January back to the diet. We'll see at the next weigh in, around 25 Jan, whether this whole plan has been worthwhile. Last weigh in: 73lbs from goal.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Sorry about the hay fever, Nony. Have you tried different variations of allergy meds? I don't know how many are available on the market over there. I know that certain ones do nothing for mine, but one particular type works wonders.
Anubis, so sorry! Food poisoning is just the worst. Had it twice in my life and honestly, I'd rather give birth than have food poisoning again. I hope you're on the mend.
Thanks! I'm gradually getting better. I haven't reverse digested food since Monday, so that's good. I'm sure it's a combination of the cold weather, slight dehydration, and actual gastric infection, but my skin is itchy and dry. A minor inconvenience that's preferable to the worse alternative of food poisoning lol.
On the bright side, I guess, is that I'm now 1 lb lighter (2 lb net gain) from the xmas excursion. I haven't worked out yet and this is actually the longest stretch of rest/recovery I've had this entire year. All muh gainz are gone! is what's rattling around in my brain but I know better, logically.. I just need to concede to going back in at a less stressful load and being happy with doing the "minimal effective work"5 -
Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?0
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laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
Hey, I'm only on my first diet break. Started 9 days ago, going to do another 5 days.
I'm not going to weigh in til 25 Jan, 3 weeks back in deficit + training, then see where we stand. But I have 70+lb to go so a bit of variation for a month doesn't worry me. I'll be hard on the deficit for 12 weeks, then do a re-feed rather than diet break
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VintageFeline wrote: »Talking of allergies, I've just had to cancel friends coming for New Year as the top half of my face is twice the size it was. A Christmas gift of individual eyelashes (salon applied) has turned into a supersize nightmare. My eyes and tops of my cheeks are so swollen and bruised they look like they are about to split (in fact, my eyelids are bleeding already). Off to the doc in a minute for the third time in three days. I'm on 6 Piriton a day and antihistamine eyedrops with the promise of a hospital visit if the swelling doesn't start to abate soon.
As a salve, I have put not one but two pairs of glittery boots through the checkout basket, inspired by VintageFeline's post a few days ago.
My ability to enable knows no bounds! I am literally "that" friend. In the last month I have had one friend buy boots, bag and jacket. Another two friends buy the same dress and a different friend again buy a jumpsuit. I shop vicariously through other people and their cash that I don't have, heh. I am excited for my boots though, I don't actually have any low/flat boots so they'll genuinely fill a gap in my overstuffed shoe arsenal.
Sparkly boots 4lyf.
Edit because brain is hopeless: Bloody awful on the eyelash reaction, are they not obliged to do a skin test like hairdressers are for dye?
Well, I thank you (as I'm sure your friends do to) for being my glittery boot purchase enabler, although my bank manager may not feel the same way. Glittery kitten heels for life, haha.
Unfortunately, my eyes are so swollen I can barely see them. Back from docs with Prednisolone now, so the heavy hitters are in force.
The salon did a patch test for both eyebrow wax and eyelash glue. I suspect the allergy is to the glue remover. Once all this has abated, I'll have some more tests of various substances done, though I think my days of fluttery eyelashes are now in the past
I was on prednisone recently, expect impressive water gain (jacked cortisol), but also much relief of reaction, and fairly swiftly. I was like the energiser bunny the first five days on the twice a day dose, and actually didn't have any appetite increase, so that was fun, because I was burning a billion calories a day. Oh and sleep is not a thing, sorry.
If you need enabling in lingerie purchasing, lemme know, that's my thing
. Oh and also jeans and shorts it seems. I have never owned so many pairs in my life I don't think. 0 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
Hey, I'm only on my first diet break. Started 9 days ago, going to do another 5 days.
I'm not going to weigh in til 25 Jan, 3 weeks back in deficit + training, then see where we stand. But I have 70+lb to go so a bit of variation for a month doesn't worry me. I'll be hard on the deficit for 12 weeks, then do a re-feed rather than diet break
I think that might be what I do too, Im used to weighing every day, so im scared not weighing and then getting on in a month and seeing I gained or something, but everything is so different right now I know the scale will definitely be up. I think ill stick to my new routine and wait awhile before weighing myself 2 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Talking of allergies, I've just had to cancel friends coming for New Year as the top half of my face is twice the size it was. A Christmas gift of individual eyelashes (salon applied) has turned into a supersize nightmare. My eyes and tops of my cheeks are so swollen and bruised they look like they are about to split (in fact, my eyelids are bleeding already). Off to the doc in a minute for the third time in three days. I'm on 6 Piriton a day and antihistamine eyedrops with the promise of a hospital visit if the swelling doesn't start to abate soon.
As a salve, I have put not one but two pairs of glittery boots through the checkout basket, inspired by VintageFeline's post a few days ago.
My ability to enable knows no bounds! I am literally "that" friend. In the last month I have had one friend buy boots, bag and jacket. Another two friends buy the same dress and a different friend again buy a jumpsuit. I shop vicariously through other people and their cash that I don't have, heh. I am excited for my boots though, I don't actually have any low/flat boots so they'll genuinely fill a gap in my overstuffed shoe arsenal.
Sparkly boots 4lyf.
Edit because brain is hopeless: Bloody awful on the eyelash reaction, are they not obliged to do a skin test like hairdressers are for dye?
Well, I thank you (as I'm sure your friends do to) for being my glittery boot purchase enabler, although my bank manager may not feel the same way. Glittery kitten heels for life, haha.
Unfortunately, my eyes are so swollen I can barely see them. Back from docs with Prednisolone now, so the heavy hitters are in force.
The salon did a patch test for both eyebrow wax and eyelash glue. I suspect the allergy is to the glue remover. Once all this has abated, I'll have some more tests of various substances done, though I think my days of fluttery eyelashes are now in the past
I was on prednisone recently, expect impressive water gain (jacked cortisol), but also much relief of reaction, and fairly swiftly. I was like the energiser bunny the first five days on the twice a day dose, and actually didn't have any appetite increase, so that was fun, because I was burning a billion calories a day. Oh and sleep is not a thing, sorry.
If you need enabling in lingerie purchasing, lemme know, that's my thing. Oh and also jeans and shorts it seems. I have never owned so many pairs in my life I don't think.
Thanks for the heads up re water gain - it's good to be forewarned. Doc did mention increased energy and to take the full dose in the morning (although had to take today's dose later afternoon). I think the drowsy effect of the Piriton might be damping that down a bit - I hope so for the sake of my beauty sleep tonight.
My face is much redder but already feels a bit less pressured. Fingers crossed the Pred is beginning to do its thing.
Luckily, I don't think I'm yet ready for jeans/shorts and my lingerie itch is well and truly scratched (for now - I'll be in touch for advice, haha).
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.1 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
Yep, new exercise will do it too. Or getting back to old exercise, like someone sitting in my living room who isn't a cat needs to do...
I crashed early last night. Like, nap on the couch for nearly an hour just after 7pm the dragged myself to bed around 8 for what was meant to be a further nap, so didn't even close all the curtains or get into my pjs. Got up at 7am. First antihistamine is kicking in now and I feel almost human. Almost. Skin is super dry from skipping last night's potion applications.1 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going2 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
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laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
I find having a planned weigh in date, 3 or 4 weeks ahead, really motivates me because I want to see 6 to 8lbs off in a single chunk. A pound here or there is not really motivational at this point. No doubt as goal weight approaches a pound will feel great.
But starting out with 140 to go I needed to see decent sized drops
Suggest you set a date and aim for that weigh in. Focus on accurate logging until then. The rewards are great then.
It remains to be seen of course whether your diet break actually helps when back in deficit, as predicted, by upregulating your metabolism. This may mean you drop quicker.
Good luck, look forward to hearing news of your post-diet break success3 -
Talking of allergies, I've just had to cancel friends coming for New Year as the top half of my face is twice the size it was. A Christmas gift of individual eyelashes (salon applied) has turned into a supersize nightmare. My eyes and tops of my cheeks are so swollen and bruised they look like they are about to split (in fact, my eyelids are bleeding already). Off to the doc in a minute for the third time in three days. I'm on 6 Piriton a day and antihistamine eyedrops with the promise of a hospital visit if the swelling doesn't start to abate soon.
As a salve, I have put not one but two pairs of glittery boots through the checkout basket, inspired by VintageFeline's post a few days ago.
Oh that sounds like a nightmare. I hope you have some relief soon. I'm happy for your consolation boots, though.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Sorry about the hay fever, Nony. Have you tried different variations of allergy meds? I don't know how many are available on the market over there. I know that certain ones do nothing for mine, but one particular type works wonders.
Anubis, so sorry! Food poisoning is just the worst. Had it twice in my life and honestly, I'd rather give birth than have food poisoning again. I hope you're on the mend.
Thanks! I'm gradually getting better. I haven't reverse digested food since Monday, so that's good. I'm sure it's a combination of the cold weather, slight dehydration, and actual gastric infection, but my skin is itchy and dry. A minor inconvenience that's preferable to the worse alternative of food poisoning lol.
Something I can offer advice on! Other than the obvious lots of fluids to rehydrate, shower or bath, warm not hot and not too long (don't let your skin start to prune), then pat dry so you skin is still damp and moisturise. Oil of some sort (like coconut or olive) would be good for this. It will lock in the damp from the shower/bath.2
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