Ketogenic diet
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Keto is perfect for me. It helps with my PCOS symptoms, makes it so that I can actually lose weight, gives me more energy. Seriously it's like magic for me. But like everyone is saying, it's not for everyone! I do miss carbs and sometimes go above my 20g limit (okay a lot of the time), but even reduced carb helps me feel better and less foggy.3
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The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.22
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debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
Uh, your body produces glucose too...4 -
debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
Why are there essential proteins and fats if our body produces them?
And "that sugar film" is the biggest load of twaddle...11 -
debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
Carbs are not "the worst food group". It's a great macro for various reasons. There is a fascinating thread going around about a diet refeed. Personally, I find my mental health deteriorates without carbs. Carbs are great for quick energy, muscle building, serotonin production and utilization, certain satiety pathways, and thyroid among other things. Just because it's possible to survive without them does not mean that there isn't a plus side to consuming carbs. "That sugar film" is as factual as "what the health" or any other propaganda and fearmongering piece.5 -
debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
Carbs are not "the worst food group". It's a great macro for various reasons.
Like vegetables.
Really, acting as if all foods that fall within a particular macro are equivalents and as if macros can be ranked according to good or badness probably should be brought over into the woo thread, as it's deeply silly.
And that our bodies don't know how to use carbs? LOL. We can get along without carbs (although not a good choice, IMO, again, because vegetables, among other things), because our body can manufacture them from other macros. We have essential fats and protein, as someone noted upthread.
As for high protein, it seems to me that people don't even have a consistent idea of what this means. To me, around .65-.85 g per lb of a healthy goal weight (when at a deficit, at least) is moderate protein and getting more seems pointless to me, but if it makes someone happy I think it's probably fine. I do see too many people here who seem to think they need something like 1 g per lb of an overweight weight and who seem to be unhappy with their diets as a result.
Anyway, not sure what high protein has to do with keto, since keto isn't supposed to be high protein, but high fat.
And sorry for tagging all this on to your post, amusedmonkey! The first big was agreement, but the rest were just where my thoughts led. ;-)1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
Carbs are not "the worst food group". It's a great macro for various reasons.
Like vegetables.
Really, acting as if all foods that fall within a particular macro are equivalents and as if macros can be ranked according to good or badness probably should be brought over into the woo thread, as it's deeply silly.
And that our bodies don't know how to use carbs? LOL. We can get along without carbs (although not a good choice, IMO, again, because vegetables, among other things), because our body can manufacture them from other macros. We have essential fats and protein, as someone noted upthread.
As for high protein, it seems to me that people don't even have a consistent idea of what this means. To me, around .65-.85 g per lb of a healthy goal weight (when at a deficit, at least) is moderate protein and getting more seems pointless to me, but if it makes someone happy I think it's probably fine. I do see too many people here who seem to think they need something like 1 g per lb of an overweight weight and who seem to be unhappy with their diets as a result.
Anyway, not sure what high protein has to do with keto, since keto isn't supposed to be high protein, but high fat.
And sorry for tagging all this on to your post, amusedmonkey! The first big was agreement, but the rest were just where my thoughts led. ;-)
No problem, and exactly my thoughts and micros as well. The highest density of them in the most commonly available and eaten foods tends to come attached to carbs.2 -
Yes I do KetoDiet. I’m type 2 diabetic and I’m now off my meds. Blood sugar is great and I sleep good all night.7
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Pssst: Look up "gluconeogenesis".debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
And That Sugar Film is a poorly-researched, steaming pile of pseudoscience made by a bunch of fearmongering quacks. Don't base your nutritional choices on silly mockumentaries made by people with agendas and a complete lack of knowledge about even the most basic facets of physiology/human biology.7 -
Been keto for about 3 years. Not going to prothletize however, behind giving up alcohol, it was the second best health choice I ever made.8
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Sad to see so much keto/low carb bashing here. Obviously, different things work for different people. If low carb works for some people, who are we to tell them not to do it? Sometimes, a person has to choose a plan that they feel like they can stick with and follow consistently. Sometimes, the results from one eating plan are different than another eating plan depending on your health circumstances, allergies, cravings, food likes and dislikes, etc. Everyone should have the right to follow whatever plan they are comfortable with, without fear of reprisal from a community that is supposed to be supportive and motivating.18
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Sad to see so much keto/low carb bashing here. Obviously, different things work for different people. If low carb works for some people, who are we to tell them not to do it? Sometimes, a person has to choose a plan that they feel like they can stick with and follow consistently. Sometimes, the results from one eating plan are different than another eating plan depending on your health circumstances, allergies, cravings, food likes and dislikes, etc. Everyone should have the right to follow whatever plan they are comfortable with, without fear of reprisal from a community that is supposed to be supportive and motivating.
It's not keto bashing, it's misinformation bashing. Picking a plan that you're more likely to stick to or a plan that you need for medical reasons is one thing, but claiming some magical properties for said plan is another. You will notice that beyond initial questioning if someone feels a certain restrictive plan is easier/medically necessary, you will see no opposition to their choice and plenty of support. The "bashing" comes about when there are misleading claims like "you can eat over maintenance and lose weight on plan X" or "you lose a lot more fat on plan X than any other plan on the same calories"...etc. These claims are misleading and need to be pointed out because they tempt newbies into thinking that they need to follow a certain plan for better results, even if it does not go well with their preferences.15 -
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Everyone should have the right to follow whatever plan they are comfortable with, without fear of reprisal from a community that is supposed to be supportive and motivating.
Everyone does have the right to follow whatever plan they are comfortable with. Everyone also has the right to their own opinion. What everyone does not have the right to are their own facts....10 -
Sad to see so much keto/low carb bashing here. Obviously, different things work for different people. If low carb works for some people, who are we to tell them not to do it? Sometimes, a person has to choose a plan that they feel like they can stick with and follow consistently. Sometimes, the results from one eating plan are different than another eating plan depending on your health circumstances, allergies, cravings, food likes and dislikes, etc. Everyone should have the right to follow whatever plan they are comfortable with, without fear of reprisal from a community that is supposed to be supportive and motivating.
Who, that wants to do low carbohydrate/keto, is being told not to do it?5 -
Lol, if your body produced proteins and fats, you wouldn't need to consume them.debmclernon wrote: »The best diet is a balanced diet - high protein, moderate fats and carbs. Honestly carbs are the worst group though - please watch "that sugar film" for more details. Your body produces protein and fat so it knows what to with those types of foods. Carbs are a very quick source of energy for your bod - so not good for a sedentary lifestyle.
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You did see that this is in the DEBATE section?Sad to see so much keto/low carb bashing here. Obviously, different things work for different people. If low carb works for some people, who are we to tell them not to do it? Sometimes, a person has to choose a plan that they feel like they can stick with and follow consistently. Sometimes, the results from one eating plan are different than another eating plan depending on your health circumstances, allergies, cravings, food likes and dislikes, etc. Everyone should have the right to follow whatever plan they are comfortable with, without fear of reprisal from a community that is supposed to be supportive and motivating.
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A "diet" should be sustainable, so unless you can do a ketogenic diet or any restrictive diet for that matter, for the long haul, its probably not good plan and will likely provide little to no benefit in the long run. The opinion of the dietitian I work with, and likely the opinion of most dietitians is that cutting a food group/macro-nutrient out of your diet, or dramatically restricting that food group is generally not a long term weight loss solution. The body needs all macro-nutrients for various functions, if you remove one you might lose weight but you will pay for it in other ways. Furthermore it is highly unlikely that a short term diet like keto, whole30 or similar fads will result in long term weight loss when only held to for a short while. Simple changes like portion control are a much more sustainable option for long term weight loss and maintenance.11
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Given that the ketogenic diet can trace it's name back to 1921, It probably wouldn't qualify as a "fad" lol. But as so many have said, definitely not for everyone. Personally I'm enjoying it, but I would be highly reluctant to recommend it. Most people would benefit from just learning about the food they eat and making some sensible modifications to their diet.8
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