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CICO is overrated in my opinion
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Carlos_421 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »See @kimny72 this thread keeps taking new twists.
It's like the soap opera of MFP threads.
I bet @Carlos_421 has an evil twin - who doesn't like Oreos! Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuun.
Or maybe it's a 1/4 brother
I will co-sign that people who don’t like Oreos are evil.
*is evil*
Heh, Carlos - I'm in Thailand next May. I should send you some Thai Oreos - they're the most messed up thing ever.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
I tend to think literalism means "everything in the Bible is literally true" as in "true in a historical way." Even so, some literalists are open to some select bits being story (sometimes Jonah), and there are variations in what it means, sure. But an example would be the approach to the age of humanity or Noah's Ark/the Flood. I think the overarching concept largely relates to the development of the fundamentals and literalist approach to interpreting the Bible as a response to German Biblical scholars who focused on multiple sources for the Bible and how it was likely written and things like Q as one of the underlying sources for the synoptic Gospels.
I would differentiate that from the more mainline Protestant and Catholic approach to the Bible, although I'd think that there are areas that most Christians would of course accept as historically accurate (although I know there are some who take even those as not literal but a metaphor or some such).
I think it's an interesting topic and have had long and mutually respectfully discussions with literalists about it (I'm Catholic and religious). That said, I don't think it's something that can be productively discussed here (and is almost certainly going to be seen by TPTB as against the rules, I'd bet).
CICO may be (maybe) less controversial. ;-)7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
In the Southeastern US there are many, many of them. Interestingly enough they're almost all related.14 -
Aztec4Life wrote: »I laugh out loud. I wonder how our ancestors regulated weight before they knew what calories were? Or every other species on the planet? Or the 99% of people on earth who dont track calories?
What I'm getting out of this comment is that the key to regulating weight is to ignore calories. As long as you don't count them you're fine. Because CICO only applies if you think about it?
Otherwise known as the Wile E Coyote theory.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
The biblical literalists in my family believe in a young earth and 7 literal days.
I believe that Oreos (well the kind I can have since I can't have gluten) are delicious.4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
I tend to think literalism means "everything in the Bible is literally true" as in "true in a historical way." Even so, some literalists are open to some select bits being story (sometimes Jonah), and there are variations in what it means, sure. But an example would be the approach to the age of humanity or Noah's Ark/the Flood. I think the overarching concept largely relates to the development of the fundamentals and literalist approach to interpreting the Bible as a response to German Biblical scholars who focused on multiple sources for the Bible and how it was likely written and things like Q as one of the underlying sources for the synoptic Gospels.
I would differentiate that from the more mainline Protestant and Catholic approach to the Bible, although I'd think that there are areas that most Christians would of course accept as historically accurate (although I know there are some who take even those as not literal but a metaphor or some such).
I think it's an interesting topic and have had long and mutually respectfully discussions with literalists about it (I'm Catholic and religious). That said, I don't think it's something that can be productively discussed here (and is almost certainly going to be seen by TPTB as against the rules, I'd bet).
CICO may be (maybe) less controversial. ;-)
There was a point in time where I was very read up on scholarship on Q. My memory issues being what they are, I forget a lot of what I learned. I remember being fascinated by it all.4 -
rileysowner wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
Now you know one!
Two if you include me, another minister, at least when dealing with the sections of the Bible that are actually about history rather than the poetic and apocalyptic literature in it.
Same here. So, 3.5 -
Wow! This thread, it rocks! Thanks OP! I sure do hope you come back and see what amazing people there are on MFP.3
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
The biblical literalists in my family believe in a young earth and 7 literal days.
I believe that Oreos (well the kind I can have since I can't have gluten) are delicious.
My mother in law believes that dinosaurs walked with Noah and perished in the flood. Her husband, my husband's stepfather, believes that the King James Bible and no other version is literally perfect and divinely transmitted.
The thing I find weirdest about them is that they are not at all literalists when it comes to verses such as "turn the other cheek" or "give all you have to the poor and follow Me."
Anyway, pretty sure religious debate is against the rules here.9 -
rheddmobile wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
The biblical literalists in my family believe in a young earth and 7 literal days.
I believe that Oreos (well the kind I can have since I can't have gluten) are delicious.
My mother in law believes that dinosaurs walked with Noah and perished in the flood. Her husband, my husband's stepfather, believes that the King James Bible and no other version is literally perfect and divinely transmitted.
The thing I find weirdest about them is that they are not at all literalists when it comes to verses such as "turn the other cheek" or "give all you have to the poor and follow Me."
Anyway, pretty sure religious debate is against the rules here.
Not getting into the nuts and bolts of this, but touching on some of what you've said and something lemurcat said, I just wanted to note that I studied the bible extensively both as an evangelical Christian and from a Catholic perspective and that they are very different takes.
As it is, I don't really have a dog in this "fight", so to speak. I find the religious scriptures of all faiths to be an interesting area, one I'd like to delve into more, but I'm pretty much a hopeful agnostic.8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
I'm flexible on the age of the earth.... In that I'm open to the idea that human history is ~20K years and not just 87 -
Weird experience - opens thread on CICO, reads first few pages, skips to end - somehow we are now on how literally we take the bible
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My family is pretty literal- I grew up being taught the earth was young- and created in 7 literal days.
Didn't really realize I grew up in a "literalist" family. Look at that.2 -
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lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
I think it's an interesting topic and have had long and mutually respectfully discussions with literalists about it (I'm Catholic and religious). That said, I don't think it's something that can be productively discussed here (and is almost certainly going to be seen by TPTB as against the rules, I'd bet).
No doubt. Although we've gone almost 24 hours now.
Perhaps by taking such a long/wide road and tangent to get here we've shed the people unable to have a civil/productive discussion.
That being said, there are other fora where such a conversation could be held. Perhaps a group, if there's interest. Would need to weed out against trolls and derailers.
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paperpudding wrote: »Weird experience - opens thread on CICO, reads first few pages, skips to end - somehow we are now on how literally we take the bible .
Lmfao, I just read the first page, then skipped to the end. Brother, I know. I was equally baffled...5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Weird experience - opens thread on CICO, reads first few pages, skips to end - somehow we are now on how literally we take the bible .
I did the same thing...
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sarah_K_parker wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Weird experience - opens thread on CICO, reads first few pages, skips to end - somehow we are now on how literally we take the bible .
Lmfao, I just read the first page, then skipped to the end. Brother, I know. I was equally baffled...vanilla_frosting wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Weird experience - opens thread on CICO, reads first few pages, skips to end - somehow we are now on how literally we take the bible .
I did the same thing...
And this, little boys and girls, is exactly why you should always read comments before posting.
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