Is Keto Worth it?
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I am happy keto worked for you. Here is my experience. I was diagnosed T2Dm with an A1c of 7.3 in January 2014. I immediately started counting my total carbs staying under the recommended 180 grams daily. With no medication, just losing weight and eating moderate carbs I reduced my A1c to 5.2 by November of 2014 and it has stayed down ever since.
In other words, keto is not necessary for diabetics but each person needs to work with their healthcare team to figure out the best options for them.
That is a great experience, and I would have been happy if it had been mine!
My doctor described T2D as a progressive disease and told me I would add meds as things got worse. I would eventually be on insulin before it was over. After he left, the nurse told me that "no one" ever improved, and that the goal was to slow the rate at which it progressed.
When I brought the A1C down and went off the metformin, I offered to tell him what I was doing. He laughed and said he did not need to know. He told me to keep doing it.2 -
Hi John. I know you and I will never find any point of agreement. I know the difference between simple acceptance of the status quo, doing what you are expected to do, just because a doctor tells you too and thinking for yourself. Trusting a doctor was how I ended up bed bound last November. I tried a smear of a gel, and then a quarter of a dose, stuck in bed for a week! NO I did not call a doctor I relied on my medical knowledge and family. I did report my problem later, I hope he looked into the cause.
I know the strict avoidance of fats as was the "thing" in the 1980' only contributes to the diminution of the bodies ability to make various hormones, scientific fact. We now know the amount of sugar "we" as a population expect to eat in all its various forms is far greater than the amount ordinary people were eating in the 16-17- 1800's. Sugar consumption went up and so did the occurrences of gout and other debilitating conditions. Scientists have shown when the body is spending all its time eliminating "excess sugar" in its broadest terms, the body is less able to ensure each and every cell receives its appropriate amount of oxygen. Cancers, to generalise, are contributed to by the body not being able to utilise enough oxygen.
We learned the hard way about the London Smog, pollution, we rid our homes of coal and coke but still allow effluent from petrochemicals into the environment, to the extent that SCIENTISTS, have show the closer you live to a principal highway the more likely you are to have chronic disease, even children's schools on main roads put the breathing of our gt grandchildren at risk.
I know my family and I would have had longer with my father because some of the dietary changes I have made, had we know in 1990's would have helped him as they helped me.
John, I really hope your life experiences never resemble anything I have encountered. Heaven forbid you ever contract something "nasty" I hope you remember some of my and others comments. You don't seem to respect cutting edge science. Its holding to the cutting edge, as I was advised by My Professor in Immunology, which is helping me achieve a life worth living. There is a poem which starts something like, "When I am old I will wear Purple". I vowed to get my health back to live life to the full and I am. In order to do this I have turned my back on conventional medicine because most doctors do not have the time or the head space to understand the medical developments which have happened in the years since they qualified, even be they under 5 or more than. Remember this is how I became unable able to get out of bed even for the most basic functions for best part of a week. Medical Ignorance of how things are eliminated, methylation and cox 1,2,3,and 4 inhibitors along with other contributory problems.
I'm still here and having a wonderful time with 2 gt grandsons, their mothers, partners and wider family. I hope to go with my boots on, rather than sitting waiting, for that day. I refused to accept there could be nothing better for me 20 years ago, when there patently is for me and so many people. Please use your critical acumen in the best way possible, John. Do your own research and be prepared to learn.30 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I think keto is amazing it's hard work for sure because it's not as simple as taking out carbs it's watching sugars ect even beetroot I was shot down on a keto page for being keto I've been in ketosis before and I lost so much that has stayed off but it did mess with my lady time!! I'd defo give it a try that is the reason tho I'm no longer in ketosis for my hormones it was too much hassle for me xx
you lost weight due to a deficit. even with keto you have to have a deficit. you can gain weight doing keto. many have. if you lost a lot at a fast rate and it messed with your period I would say your calorie deficit was too steep. many do keto for pcos (which helps some with their period) too much of a deficit or too low of calories can mess with your period. so Im thinking that may have been the isue.
The reason it messed with my period was due to estrogen being released when my fuel burn turned to fat,!! I was burning fat to quickly and have found the bleeding issue quite common on those on the combined pill and in ketosis, my personal opinion is keto can be very worth it and rewarding but it's personal experience whether it works for you or not no one can tell you 100% what something does or will do!! I think some diets are crap in comparison to others but who am I to tell that person they shouldn't do it!? Or tell them what's happening to their body!! It may work for them we are different
in keto you dont burn body fat you burn dietary fat. fat is burned in a deficit no matter how you eat. losing weight too fast is what mot likely contributed to the messed up cycle. you can only burn so much body fat a day. no matter if you are doing keto or not. the faster you lose weight then of course hormones could be released from fat loss but it should not be so much *kitten* to mess with your period. most of the time its too little calories resulting in fast weight loss. the more fat you have the more estrogen you produce so when you lose too quickly that estrogen that is stored gets released. it can happen with any diet too low in calories which causes rapid weight loss. this study states that keto can improve hormone regulation in many women,and can improve fertility. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5372867/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1580168
I've spoken to a lot of ladies like myself on a particular kind of contraceptive that have experienced changes to their cycles and also negative impact but letting it ride itself out once you become fat adapted can make a positive change. I wouldn't say it was linked to the fast weight loss as I haven't said at what point I actually lost the weight.. It happened once I got into ketosis a short time after a little longer after that I experienced weight loss also taking on someone's advice to incorporate a bit of extra carb into my diet which seemed to work. The reason I don't want my carb intake to get too too low and fall into ketosis is because of the links between the contraceptive hormones and what ketosis itself brings, I've lost weight well before and not experienced this as I didn't get into ketosis. You are right in regards to calorie deficit and weight loss ect but there is definitely something about ketosis and the particular pill that causes abnormal bleeding thoroughly checked out by the doctor btw to rule out anything sinister I'm not willing to give up my pill for ketosis unfortunately because it's given me so many positives and I can lose weight without being keto. But for others it's definitely something I would suggest they try if there struggling with other diets
well I cant find any studies proving that keto and certain birth control causes issues with periods. I dont know if there arent enough studies or what. but if you find not doing keto works better for you then so be it. I cant do keto but when I did it(before I knew I had a health issue in which keto is a no-no) for me it had no bearing on my period and I take bc pills .
It may be one of those things that hasn't been fully studied yet I haven't seen the research but spoken to a lot of ladies who have shared their experiences with me all being similar, it may be that a smaller percentage of women in keto are on combined pills with the larger percentage being on other forms of contraception or not atall as when we gain weight we do often point the blame to our contraception as it's often listed as a side effect in the leaflet. The best thing about keto for me was the overall feeling I had such less bloating feeling much fresher better energy like I say the bleeding made me up the carbs and now I just keep them low1 -
Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed
because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
Only if you are taking a ton of drugs and even then, I would love to see your DEXA scans as proof.... Half your calories in alcohol is not going to give yourself a lot of room for protein.
People so jump to judgement without asking for information on this site!! I consume 1/3 of my calories as alcohol, because exercise pushes my calorie allowance up. I get more protein than I need, in fact too much for a proper keto diet.
To anyone doing keto, alcohol will slow the keto process down, because the body will use up those alcohol calories before switching back to the keto process.
I dont take drugs. Never have. But I havent lifted for several years so lots of atrophy. So going back into the gym, for the first few months the muscle goes on very fast because the weights go up fast. Some call it muscle memory. I know that will be ridiculed here but I will trust my experience and past results in this. My weights in the gym, have increased substantially on a bodybuilding program, while still losing 15 pounds of bodyweight. So 2 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks is easily achievable to begin for me, even at my ripe old age.13 -
noclady1995 wrote: »Hmmm...I found out about keto in 2015 and have done it on and off since then. I started back up because my weight was really bothering me. My hubby would say I was fine, but at 5'6" and 158 lbs, I'm not happy. I have always been no more than 135, prior to my last kid. I got down to 141 as my lowest on keto, but when I switched back to IIFYM, I was binging because I was always hungry. Keto really keeps me from being hungry. Also I was finding that my joints were really hurting a lot, and I felt like it was all of the sugar and carbs. I'm not someone who can eat carbs and only eat a little bit. I know me. If I just completely eliminate it, I'm successful. Since I'm familiar with keto, it's easy for me to know what to make at home and what to eat out. I don't have to think too hard about it. That said, I did a lot of research in the beginning. And still do. It's been a full week since I started back up and I'm now at 151. Now, I know a lot of that is water, but I also feel less bloated and have more energy. Honestly, my joints are a little bit better, but I think the weather has been affecting them.
Just curious... since you say keto helps control your hunger and you credit it with curing your joint pain, do you intend to stay on it permanently?
Ideally, I would stay on it always. Realistically, life happens and I fall back off, gain weight, and start to feel it in my body. Like I said, I've been doing it on and off since 2015. It just happens to be the way of eating that works for me when I want to lose weight and feel better. I also forgot to mention with keto that I have way less plaque on my teeth than I normally do on a regular diet (with carbs/sugar), and I spend less time at the dentist getting my teeth cleaned. You'd think that'd be enough of a reason to do this forever! LOL.1 -
Inspiration15 wrote: »noclady1995 wrote: »Hmmm...I found out about keto in 2015 and have done it on and off since then. I started back up because my weight was really bothering me. My hubby would say I was fine, but at 5'6" and 158 lbs, I'm not happy. I have always been no more than 135, prior to my last kid. I got down to 141 as my lowest on keto, but when I switched back to IIFYM, I was binging because I was always hungry. Keto really keeps me from being hungry. Also I was finding that my joints were really hurting a lot, and I felt like it was all of the sugar and carbs. I'm not someone who can eat carbs and only eat a little bit. I know me. If I just completely eliminate it, I'm successful. Since I'm familiar with keto, it's easy for me to know what to make at home and what to eat out. I don't have to think too hard about it. That said, I did a lot of research in the beginning. And still do. It's been a full week since I started back up and I'm now at 151. Now, I know a lot of that is water, but I also feel less bloated and have more energy. Honestly, my joints are a little bit better, but I think the weather has been affecting them.
I am 5’6” and 158. I like to weight 138. I diet and just go right back to 158. Why is 158 so bad?
It may not be for you, but I'm not happy at this weight. I'm only referring to myself. Thanks.0 -
noclady1995 wrote: »noclady1995 wrote: »Hmmm...I found out about keto in 2015 and have done it on and off since then. I started back up because my weight was really bothering me. My hubby would say I was fine, but at 5'6" and 158 lbs, I'm not happy. I have always been no more than 135, prior to my last kid. I got down to 141 as my lowest on keto, but when I switched back to IIFYM, I was binging because I was always hungry. Keto really keeps me from being hungry. Also I was finding that my joints were really hurting a lot, and I felt like it was all of the sugar and carbs. I'm not someone who can eat carbs and only eat a little bit. I know me. If I just completely eliminate it, I'm successful. Since I'm familiar with keto, it's easy for me to know what to make at home and what to eat out. I don't have to think too hard about it. That said, I did a lot of research in the beginning. And still do. It's been a full week since I started back up and I'm now at 151. Now, I know a lot of that is water, but I also feel less bloated and have more energy. Honestly, my joints are a little bit better, but I think the weather has been affecting them.
Just curious... since you say keto helps control your hunger and you credit it with curing your joint pain, do you intend to stay on it permanently?
Ideally, I would stay on it always. Realistically, life happens and I fall back off, gain weight, and start to feel it in my body. Like I said, I've been doing it on and off since 2015. It just happens to be the way of eating that works for me when I want to lose weight and feel better. I also forgot to mention with keto that I have way less plaque on my teeth than I normally do on a regular diet (with carbs/sugar), and I spend less time at the dentist getting my teeth cleaned. You'd think that'd be enough of a reason to do this forever! LOL.
So wouldn't a better approach be to learn the proper portions of the things you realistically are going to eat, to manage your weight long-term as opposed to gaining & losing the same 20 lbs or so?
I am not saying this to knock keto, be argumentative, or to harass you. There are many users on here for whom keto works beautifully as a permanent WOE and I respect that. I've often wondered if it might help me with some of my various health issues. But it simply isn't realistic for me, and I know from past experience that I enjoy many of the benefits people mention from simply reducing my weight and eating a balanced diet anyway. I find it strange when people choose it to achieve short-term goals with the intention of going back to "normal".3 -
I’m just starting the diet, but I do have to say avoiding carbs is helping me curb cravings. I’m the kind of girl who once she starts eating something like chips or bread I want to keep going. But avoiding all carbs is giving me the motivation to not give in. Like previous posters have mentioned, it really depends on your personality and relationship with food. If you need more control around carbs to be able to stay incontrol then it’s a pretty good diet!1
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Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
Only if you are taking a ton of drugs and even then, I would love to see your DEXA scans as proof.... Half your calories in alcohol is not going to give yourself a lot of room for protein.
People so jump to judgement without asking for information on this site!! I consume 1/3 of my calories as alcohol, because exercise pushes my calorie allowance up. I get more protein than I need, in fact too much for a proper keto diet.
To anyone doing keto, alcohol will slow the keto process down, because the body will use up those alcohol calories before switching back to the keto process.
I dont take drugs. Never have. But I havent lifted for several years so lots of atrophy. So going back into the gym, for the first few months the muscle goes on very fast because the weights go up fast. Some call it muscle memory. I know that will be ridiculed here but I will trust my experience and past results in this. My weights in the gym, have increased substantially on a bodybuilding program, while still losing 15 pounds of bodyweight. So 2 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks is easily achievable to begin for me, even at my ripe old age.
Ill bite, so how exactly did you measure/determine your muscle gains? Because CNS adaptations are a real thing.9 -
Keto works fullstop. Been on it for 6 weeks, around 200 cals over MFP a day, lost 15 pound and gained maybe 2 pound of muscle in the gym because I know how. Tons of energy. Fast results. 0.7gms protein per lb is plenty. Plus my daily alcohol intake hasnt changed because keto only counts alcoholic drinks that contain carbs. Sweet!
Only if you are taking a ton of drugs and even then, I would love to see your DEXA scans as proof.... Half your calories in alcohol is not going to give yourself a lot of room for protein.
People so jump to judgement without asking for information on this site!! I consume 1/3 of my calories as alcohol, because exercise pushes my calorie allowance up. I get more protein than I need, in fact too much for a proper keto diet.
To anyone doing keto, alcohol will slow the keto process down, because the body will use up those alcohol calories before switching back to the keto process.
I dont take drugs. Never have. But I havent lifted for several years so lots of atrophy. So going back into the gym, for the first few months the muscle goes on very fast because the weights go up fast. Some call it muscle memory. I know that will be ridiculed here but I will trust my experience and past results in this. My weights in the gym, have increased substantially on a bodybuilding program, while still losing 15 pounds of bodyweight. So 2 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks is easily achievable to begin for me, even at my ripe old age.
Ill bite, so how exactly did you measure/determine your muscle gains? Because CNS adaptations are a real thing.
I was wondering the same thing. My bet is on a BIA device.
And yes, somebody who hasn't lifted in a long time and starts lifting again is going to have a lot of strength gains via neuromuscular adaptation.5 -
I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers14 -
After I got over the initial hump of carb separation it was easy and worth it. My taste buds and relationship to food has changed with keto. With carbs I had a hard time controlling myself and I always craved junk food. On keto I enjoy everything I eat, I feel like I can taste everything better. Yet, I am not eating foods uncontrollably like I did with carbs and I do not crave junk food.
I’ve been keto for 4+ years, 19 months straight without going off of it. I originally was doing it for health reasons and gained weight overeating. But then I started using mfp and I lost weight. I went from around 29% body fat to about 19%. That’s the leanest I’ve ever been.
I think there are some who do well with moderation, but I am not one of those people. I can’t have just one cookie. That’s why keto is a good fit for me.
What the hell how did someone woo my personal experience? Nothing to say? Cowards. I’m outtie8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Doing keto would lead to my premature death..10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at all9 -
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singingflutelady wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at allsingingflutelady wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."[/quote
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at all
Where did you even see the author mention Keto? I did not make any claims because I didn't write the piece.
Why you think our genes dooms us? Have you heard of epigenetics yet?10 -
dangerousdashie wrote: »After I got over the initial hump of carb separation it was easy and worth it. My taste buds and relationship to food has changed with keto. With carbs I had a hard time controlling myself and I always craved junk food. On keto I enjoy everything I eat, I feel like I can taste everything better. Yet, I am not eating foods uncontrollably like I did with carbs and I do not crave junk food.
I’ve been keto for 4+ years, 19 months straight without going off of it. I originally was doing it for health reasons and gained weight overeating. But then I started using mfp and I lost weight. I went from around 29% body fat to about 19%. That’s the leanest I’ve ever been.
I think there are some who do well with moderation, but I am not one of those people. I can’t have just one cookie. That’s why keto is a good fit for me.
What the hell how did someone woo my personal experience? Nothing to say? Cowards. I’m outtie
@dangerousdashie woo is like hug in that it can mean awesome or awful like hug can mean one wants to comfort someone or it can mean oh you poor crybaby here's a hug to make you feel all more better.11 -
Need to change woo. It cant mean "wow, fights on" or "wow thats not right" or "wow thats amazing" or "wow you said that" or "wow you suck" or whatever. Woo has so many definitions it shouldnt be on here as one!13
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Need to change woo. It cant mean "wow, fights on" or "wow thats not right" or "wow thats amazing" or "wow you said that" or "wow you suck" or whatever. Woo has so many definitions it shouldnt be on here as one!
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10570889/new-community-reaction-woo
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Thank you. Very good. June 2017. Who knows this now.4
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GaleHawkins wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at allsingingflutelady wrote: »
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at allGaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
Where did you even see the author mention Keto? I did not make any claims because I didn't write the piece.
Keto is the topic of this thread.
So either you believe that this article supports your earlier claim that keto somehow fights premature death from all causes, or you are just trolling and derailing.
Which is it?Why you think our genes dooms us? Have you heard of epigenetics yet?
Further proof that you don't understand what epigenetics is.
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It is worth it, if only to stop the constant hunger and cravings, the good fats will keep you satisfied5
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DebbieHarris1 wrote: »It is worth it, if only to stop the constant hunger and cravings, the good fats will keep you satisfied
That's the opposite of my experience. That's why it needs to be repeated over and over again: it's only worth it if it offers a better experience than the alternatives (and there are many).5 -
I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.8 -
johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
[url="httphttps://www.honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://"]httphttps://honeycolony.com/article/mitochondrial-disease-its-not-your-genes-that-determine-your-fate/://[/url]
Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at allsingingflutelady wrote: »
Are you claiming keto cures huntington's disease?! If you have the gene you will 100% get it. Nothing to do with carbs at allGaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Inspiration15 wrote: »I am CONSIDERING Keto. It seems so drastic to me. If you eat a cookie the weight will come back. Anyone successful on this? Was it hard?
Drastic to me means doing a WOE that leads from health to Type 2 Diabetes.
Keto has never been a weight loss program but a WOE for people fighting a premature death due to health failure from any causes.
Please stop making unsubstantiated medical claims.
What do you see as the least common denominator cause of premature death due due to health failure?
Simple, obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, family history (genetics), and drinking are the biggest factors. So if you are trying to prolong life, I hope you are in a healthy weight, exercise daily for 30 minutes or more a day, limit smoking and drinking, and if you really want to decrease risk, than almost limit processed foods. So the question is Gale, since you preach why you did Keto, how many of these do you also do?
Also, you should stop confusing treatment vs prevention. There is a significant difference between the two.
OP, the issue I have with keto (and luckily I only do it 4 days a week with 2 days of carb refeeds) is the lack of volume, it limits a ton of extremely healthy foods, and it limits a ton of variety.
And as some alluded to, it really comes down to what you can sustain. If you want, tailor down your carbs a bit to see what kind of restriction you have. And then slowly move to around 50g. In the end, if you find it difficult to hit those carb levels, than it's going to be very difficult to sustain.
The least common denominator in about 85% of premature death due to health failure first starts with failing mitochondria count and health. The way I move, eat and think are geared to increasing my quality and quantity of my brown fat.
siimland.com/ketosis-and-mitochondria/
"The Ketogenic Diet and Mitochondrial Density
Increasing mitochondrial density should fundamentally start with nutrition.
The ketogenic diet is the best one for mitochondria not only because of using fat for fuel but also because of its many protective aspects against oxidative stress.
Ketosis reduces the amount of epileptic seizures people get
Ketosis maintains healthy brain cells and prevents them from dying
Alzheimer’s is now referred to as type-3 diabetes or basically insulin resistance in the brain.
Mitochondrial dysfunction caused by oxidative stress is linked to aging, cancer, autism and many other diseases
The mitochondria are surrounded by a functional membrane which gets built by the fat you eat
Using ketone bodies for energy releases more acetyl-CoA, which then gets directed back to the Krebs Cycle to be produced for energy again."
If you are willing to take advice from an anthropologist, you are more than welcome to believe it. Also, if you want to increases your chances of living long (like statistically), start to exercise (a 1/4 mile walk isn't enough), lose a bit more weight since you are at the top end of acceptable, and stop eating McDonalds 3-4x a week.
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Microbial residents, known as mitochondria, have become essential parts of our own biology.
Mitochondrial Disease plays a major role when it comes to serious health conditions, including aging. It’s unbelievable that up until the turn of the century, we knew little about the mitochondria, even though these tiny, peanut-shaped miniature organs (organelles) found at the center of our cells are responsible for fueling us with energy and dictating how vibrant and healthy we are. These organelles produce the energy we need for every single physical, mental, and emotional function.
How many times have we heard the phrase “it’s all in the genes?” It sounds cute as an offhand joke when, let’s say, a young child starts playing the same sport as their parent. However, a lifetime of hearing our relatives and medical caregivers tell us that our disease risk is “in the genes” is very disempowering and misleading.
A life is priceless, and the financial cost of chronic illness is staggering. Between 2012 to 2015, heart failure cost $108 billion, diabetes cost $1.5 trillion, and dementia an astounding $818 billion, worldwide. In the USA alone, cancer cost $135 billion.
People are dying from these diseases. There’s a belief that our genes dictate our health and longevity, but what if the true primary cause is something else? Something we have power over? As discussed by Nature Builds Health, “most disease actually starts in what is called ‘mitochondria’ … by improving your mitochondria function, you can even lower your chances for getting certain diseases”."
Maybe this source is more to your taste as you read about the newly found least common denominator in premature death in humans.
Not a scientific resource either, but thanks for playing.
Protip: if the site you link to is selling something (especially supplements) they can't be trusted as reliable.
This is for the ones wanting a scientific resource that many disease states occur due to one not knowing to focus on mitochondria health.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684129/
"Table 1
Partial List of Diseases Caused or Aggravated by Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Early aging
Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
Alzheimer’s disease
Autism
Cardiovascular disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Dementia
Diabetes
Huntington’s disease
Migraine headache
Parkinson’s disease"
"Table 4
Drugs That Damage Mitochondria
Acetaminophen
Antibiotics
Aspirin
AZT
Cocaine
Grisepfulvin
Indomethacin
Methamphetamine
l-DOPA
NSAIDs
Statins"
"Summary
There is so much more that could be written about mitochondria from the perspective of an integrative medicine clinician. I think we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in our patients’ disease and ill health. As the environment becomes more polluted and drug prescribing increases, this problem will become even worse. The good news is that there is a lot we can do to help."
Where did you even see the author mention Keto? I did not make any claims because I didn't write the piece.
Keto is the topic of this thread.
So either you believe that this article supports your earlier claim that keto somehow fights premature death from all causes, or you are just trolling and derailing.
Which is it?Why you think our genes dooms us? Have you heard of epigenetics yet?
Further proof that you don't understand what epigenetics is.
So you didn't read the whole linked article?9
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