October 2019 Monthly Running Challenge
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GUYS! SHALANE FLANAGAN JUST ANNOUNCED HER RETIREMENT
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As to the discussion about running past then cutting off to walk, I've had that happen to me many times. A few of them are still vivid in my mind because it was so bad. It was like those moments when you go to pass a car and they realize it and start to speed up. It's almost as if they can't stand someone running past them. I don't think these are people following a run/walk plan. I can usually pick those out. They usually will look, move over and slow down, making sure they aren't in front of someone. When I've gotten into these passing matches with the rude people I just pick up my pace for a while to get myself far enough ahead of them.
Kids doing it don't bother me. They haven't learned pacing yet. I'm pretty sure 90% of kids run races this way.
At my trail race last weekend, I was probably a bit too close to one lady at the start. I didn't want to go out to fast and she had a good pace. I did eventually pass her but not until a point I was ready. Then later I had someone hang behind me. It didn't bother me because it seems to happen more on trails. People use others to pace plus sometimes it's a single track and even though you try to stay to right there isn't always room to pass.8 -
Off topic question. How do you all keep track of who to “tag” when responding to multiple pages of posts? I find myself writing down your exact usernames when I’m home but can’t do it well if I’m on the train or something like that.0
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still no running for me, thanks for asking @7lenny7
The foot is improving, although it kept me awake last night, and hurt a fair bit this morning, but I can walk on it and it's more a dull ache or occasional twinge - either in the calf muscles or the foot itself.
I've done no exercise except to walk and meet my paddleboard buddies for brunch yesterday, and am trying my best to NOT exercise. But tomorrow I think I should start swimming or something, because otherwise it's a downhill slippery slope. I figure that if I do something else that will keep my mind away from trying to run or even hike, and the longer I can protect the foot from too much impact the better the recovery will be.
wow, never thought I'd be joining the #injuredrunner brigade.@Elise4270 , wanna teach me violin? 11 -
speed demon and i had a 4.5mi race. i think i'm getting good at tangets because my garmin always shows me short as opposed to friends who's shows on the dot or a bit longer. it's not intentional but a trend I've seen.
anywho....
it was the traildog distance classic. it is a pretty chill race. different options for swag, all distances about the same price. lots of great snacks and drinks during an after. if you sign up for 1 loop you can change your mind and do 2 loops or the 10.5mi loop
in the morning, the wolfpack run starts. the distances vary from 4.5mi to 50mi.
since there is hunting allowed at this state park canicross didn't start till after hunting is supposed to be over at 2:30pm
we haven't been running too much. and we haven't been running any hills. so it was....challenging. plus the leaf cover meant lots of hidden dangers. i was also starting with an achy knee
there was one dog that didn't want to meet anyone but otherwise all the dogs got along. once the race started, grumpy dog didn't pay anyone any mind. i started near the back. i wasn't sure how much i was walking
the first mile felt like my first mile other. i think speed demon felt the same. about 2 miles in we hit a decent stride. we ran small hills, walked the big ones(13 hills total). speed demon took a few mud baths too cool off. we weren't last but darn close. it felt like a long run. but we both enjoyed it.prerace looking out
mid race mud dip
swag and bib
gratuitous selfie
properly muddy.
post race grumpy face.
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October goal: 100 miles
10/1: 5.75 miles
10/2: 6.27 miles
10/5: 1.01 miles - warm up
3.14 miles - Old Rip 5k
10/8: 6.27 miles
10/9: 5.63 miles
10/13: 10.26 miles
10/15: 5.56 miles
10/16: 6.05 miles
10/17: 6.06 miles
10/20: 10.02 miles
72.26/100 miles completed
I never did update my run on here yesterday, but I did have a nice 10 mile run. I had to get up extra early yesterday since our hand bell choir was playing and I had to be at church early. So the first 3 miles were in the dark, but by mile 4 it was starting to get light. The weather was really nice. It was around 49°F - 51°F for the run and not windy so it was perfect for running. I wore shorts and a t-shirt with gloves and felt comfortable. It was mostly an uneventful run, but nice.
@Lazy_Bones_1985 If I am at my desktop then I will sometimes jot down the user names to reference them later. If I am on my phone I rarely reference the poster especially if I read several posts at once by the time I am ready to post a response I just can't keep up with everyone's user ids. I mostly hit like and hug and don't respond to as many individuals as I would like.
There were lots of great races this weekend! Congrats to all! I really love reading all the race reports and seeing the pictures.
@eleanorhawkins I don't think anyone is saying they have a problem with other runners doing walk/run. I think the problem is when a runner runs past you and then gets directly in front of you and stops abruptly forcing you to slow down. If the runner could get beside you to pass then they can stay to the side if they are going to slow down or at least look to make sure they are far enough ahead of you before they slow down. And if you are doing run/walk and it is almost time for your walk interval then don't pass someone if you know you are going to have to stop running as soon as you get past them. Most people doing run/walk are considerate of other runners, but some aren't. Sometimes they are just oblivious and sometimes they are just being rude on purpose. It's like stopping to tie your shoe. There is nothing wrong with stopping to tie your shoe, you just want to look around and make sure you aren't stopping in front of someone else when you do it.
2019 races:
2/2/19: Catch the Groundhog Half Marathon - PR 2:15:17
5/18/19: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon - Cancelled due to weather
10/5/19: Old Rip 5K - PR 27:27, 1st AG
11/9/19: Wags and Whiskers 5K6 -
10-1 7k slow
10-2 7k easy
10-3 rest
10-4 rest
10-5 7k moderate
10-6 7k easy
10-7 rest
10-8 7k moderate
10-9 7k easy
10-10 rest
10-11 4k easy
10-12 rest
10-13 5k race
10-14 rest
10-15 4k slow
10-16 7k slow
10-17 rest
10-18 7k slow
10-19 7k slow
10-20 7k easy
10-21 rest
October Total: 83k
October Goal: 135k
January Total: 131k
February Total: 159.5k
March Total: 183k
April Total: 126k
May Total: 128k
June Total: 161.5k
July Total: 151k
August Total: 133k
September Total: 135k
2019 total: 1,308k / 811m
Monthly average: 145.3k
Next year when you pop in here claiming your December 2019 mileage, what accomplishments will you have made?
Run at least 4 5k races. Completed 8-31
Get under 30:00 and a PR for 5k. Nope...
Average at least 135k per month, which would put me over 1,000 miles for the year.
Run the Year Team: Five for Nineteen - Completed 9-28
Rest day today. Golf instead of running.
2019 Races:
4-13 Shine the Light 5K - 31:12 chip time; First Place male 65 and older
6-30 Strides for Starfish 5K - 31:34 chip time; 31/77 overall; second male 65 and older (no official category)
7-27 Solon Home Days 5K - 31:11 chip time; 95/141 overall; 4/6 age group (male)
8-31 Race for Freedom 5k - 31:39 chip time; 32:00 Garmin time; Third Place male 60 and older
9-14 Gift of Life 5k - off the schedule; insufficient recovery time
10-13 Haunted Hustle 5k - 31:22 chip time; 47/74 overall; First Place male 60 and older2 -
Way behind in thread, and have a meeting in a couple of mins, but I can answer this real fast....MegaMooseEsq wrote: »QUESTION: For people who try and stick to the 10% increase per week rule, I assume that you don’t count cut-back weeks? That is, if you run 10 miles in week A, then 8 miles in week B, you’d schedule week C as 10% more than week A, correct?
Correct, the 10% is over your previous max and not a cutback.1 -
Once i get to my race weight...in about six months...I'd like to try having a high volume running routine for about six months. Before that (now) I'm trying to balance out consistency, very slowly increasing miles, and continuing to make progress dropping these extra 40 lbs.5
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@katharmonic Congratulations!!!
@mbaker566 and pup - Great job on your race!
Personally I sometimes start writing my responses at the bottom of the page, then copy it before I go to the next page, where I paste it and add any other comments.Lazy_Bones_85 wrote: »Off topic question. How
do you all keep track of who to “tag” when responding to multiple pages of posts? I find myself writing down your exact usernames when I’m home but can’t do it well if I’m on the train or something like that.
Also lots of copy & paste
eleanorhawkins wrote: »Ok my take on the people running past you then stopping thing....
This isn't actually people trying to annoy you on purpose, or target you, or fly on your race. It's called the Galloway run-walk-run method and is widely used by thousands and thousands of people, including myself, who find that it allows them to continue to run when they otherwise would not be able to. It is NOT personal, and they are NOT doing it just to piss you off. While a few may lack the manners and/or knowledge of race etiquette to realise they may be annoying other runners by slowing down in front of them, most will be wearing a sign on their back or T-shirt or something to notify others that they run-walk-run, and as well as staying to one side will usually raise their hand to show their intention to slow down before they do so.
I've never raced anywhere where the path was so narrow everyone had to run right in each others' tracks, so maybe that's why I don't get exactly why anyone would be right behind someone and likely to crash into them if they slow down anyway, but if I do ever find myself in that situation I will try to remember how much I'm going to piss everyone else off by targeting them. Because of course, I'm not just another runner doing my own thing and minding my own business :-)
The people you're describing aren't a problem. Some people run/walk and do also pay attention to where they're going. I've never seen the hand raise or a sign, but I have definitely seen people who run/walk or change pace at intervals, who look behind them, move slightly to the side and keep doing their thing. And plenty of people manage to pass, get a safe distance ahead of you, and move in front of you. Also not a problem.
The people we're annoyed by are those who randomly just stop, or who cut right in front of you and immediately slow down. Some people do the pass/cut/slowdown thing to the same people on repeat. It slows you down, is inconsiderate, and unsafe. The *almost* collisions I had weren't from speeding up, but from simply maintaining the speed and direction the other person just cut in front of.
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MegaMooseEsq wrote: »QUESTION: For people who try and stick to the 10% increase per week rule, I assume that you don’t count cut-back weeks? That is, if you run 10 miles in week A, then 8 miles in week B, you’d schedule week C as 10% more than week A, correct?
@MegaMooseEsq that is correct. No need to rebuild from 8 miles, you can use 10 miles as the basis for the Week C increase.
10% is a great number to use when you're reaching weekly mileage totals you've not hit before, or if you've had a long time off. Once you get a good base under your feet you can go with a more aggressive number. My running volume goes down in the summer. When I start rebuilding in late summer I use 15 to 20 percent increases week to week.PastorVincent wrote: »To get your cadence without the help of technology (like a foot pod), you need to count how many strides you take while timing yourself. If you count say 90 strides in 30 seconds, that would be 180 strides per minute.
It would be best to do this several times and average the results.
No. The 180 "rule" is not a rule at all. It is, however, an often greatly abused stat. I would not worry about it in your case. You are still early in the c25k training. Focus on your form, and completing the workouts. Good form and consistent workouts will improve all your stats with time, so that is where you should apply your focus.
I could never do this while running. I have trouble adding double digit numbers when I run, forget trying to count and keep track of a timer at the same time!
Many, if not most, current GPS watches will track this for you with a built in sensor even without a foot pod. I'm not sure if you can do this with a phone, but you can download a metronome app and set it to, say, 160 and see how it compares with your natural stride rate.
I agree with @PastorVincent that it's more productive to work on overall form than cadence specifically, though a higher cadence will result in less impact forces when you land. Ideally you work on your stride such that your foot is in full contact with the ground when it is directly below your hips, which is the energy absorbing phase of your stride. This will take care of heel strike concerns as naturally increase your cadence.rheddmobile wrote: »As we passed, the tearful girl said, “I don’t trust you to go with them, I don’t trust you out of my sight,” and the deputized boy said, “If you feel that way, why are you even together?” Preach, bro. Very very glad not to be 17 anymore!
@rheddmobile Indeed. Without trust there is nothing.Lazy_Bones_85 wrote: »Off topic question. How do you all keep track of who to “tag” when responding to multiple pages of posts? I find myself writing down your exact usernames when I’m home but can’t do it well if I’m on the train or something like that.
@lazy_bones_85 when I read on the phone I'll do a screen shot of those folks I want to respond to then wait until I'm on a PC to actually respond. Responding via phone on the app is too difficult for anything other than a quick post. On the PC I open up two tabs...one with my response and one to read. As I read a post to respond to, I go back to the other tab to type. This works well when I'm more than one page behind.
nice work, @mbaker566 and Speed Demon!
@katharmonic back to back HM's is quite a feat, even if the first one didn't go as well as you'd hoped. nice!!
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »Ok my take on the people running past you then stopping thing....
This isn't actually people trying to annoy you on purpose, or target you, or fly on your race. It's called the Galloway run-walk-run method and is widely used by thousands and thousands of people, including myself, who find that it allows them to continue to run when they otherwise would not be able to. It is NOT personal, and they are NOT doing it just to piss you off. While a few may lack the manners and/or knowledge of race etiquette to realise they may be annoying other runners by slowing down in front of them, most will be wearing a sign on their back or T-shirt or something to notify others that they run-walk-run, and as well as staying to one side will usually raise their hand to show their intention to slow down before they do so.
I've never raced anywhere where the path was so narrow everyone had to run right in each others' tracks, so maybe that's why I don't get exactly why anyone would be right behind someone and likely to crash into them if they slow down anyway, but if I do ever find myself in that situation I will try to remember how much I'm going to piss everyone else off by targeting them. Because of course, I'm not just another runner doing my own thing and minding my own business :-)
None of this is directed at you, because you’re a civilized person who cares about other people! It’s generally pretty easy to tell the difference between intentional use of the Galloway method and an inconsiderate newbie trying to go at a faster pace than they can sustain. I take walk breaks myself, and I’m aware of who is around me and how my behavior affects them.
If you are doing the Galloway method, pull to the side to walk, don’t cut directly in front of runners on the best tangent. If there is no room to pass, period, because it’s true single track, that might not be the best race to use the Galloway method - but if you must, start back with the walkers so you are the one trying to pass, not making others pass you. Don’t stop dead, and try not to start walking when someone is close enough behind you that they will have to also stop or slam into you. Don’t do it twelve times to the same runner on a 5k course. (By the way, doing it 12 times on a 5k is one way to tell it’s probably not Galloway.) And for pity’s sake don’t do it with your best gal pals two or three or four abreast across the whole path. In footraces, unlike horse racing, etiquette doesn’t call for trying to win by blocking faster people from passing! Everyone should be striving to let everyone else run their best race without anyone being in anyone’s way, that’s just courtesy and good sense.
Kids are a special case, they can’t help being kids. With so many kids today attached to their phones, I’m just delighted to see active kids participating in running. But that doesn’t mean they don’t drive me crazy, it just means I try to deal. Adults, now, there’s no excuse for not trying to be aware of other people around you as an adult.8 -
@katharmonic Great race report! I can’t imagine running another half the day after trying to PR! look at all your loot, amazing!1
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@mbaker566 I’m a huge fan of Speed Demon! Glad you had a good run!1
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So, no run today, my husband’s father gets into town tomorrow and my husband begged for a day of doing absolutely nothing before he arrives, since he’s going to expect to be fed and entertained all week. Also, the roads are a little crazy today because a tornado hit within a mile of us! geez Louise, this is the second time since we’ve lived here, and this one followed as far as I can tell almost the same track. Fortunately it looks like a tiny one, nobody hurt but 20k people still without power. We were huddled in the bathroom watching the radar on our phones as it went by us, lost a couple hours of sleep due to being fully awake when it was nearly time to get up anyway. The local news isn’t saying tornado, just “heavy storms and possible tornado,” but when brick walls are missing and billboards are not just bent over but twisted into a spiral, it’s pretty obvious.
I haven’t figured out yet how to manage running in the next week. It’s supposed to be beautiful weather, which only lasts here about two weeks most years, and I’m not really willing to lose a week of running for the sake of hospitality.11 -
rheddmobile wrote: »eleanorhawkins wrote: »Ok my take on the people running past you then stopping thing....
This isn't actually people trying to annoy you on purpose, or target you, or fly on your race. It's called the Galloway run-walk-run method and is widely used by thousands and thousands of people, including myself, who find that it allows them to continue to run when they otherwise would not be able to. It is NOT personal, and they are NOT doing it just to piss you off. While a few may lack the manners and/or knowledge of race etiquette to realise they may be annoying other runners by slowing down in front of them, most will be wearing a sign on their back or T-shirt or something to notify others that they run-walk-run, and as well as staying to one side will usually raise their hand to show their intention to slow down before they do so.
I've never raced anywhere where the path was so narrow everyone had to run right in each others' tracks, so maybe that's why I don't get exactly why anyone would be right behind someone and likely to crash into them if they slow down anyway, but if I do ever find myself in that situation I will try to remember how much I'm going to piss everyone else off by targeting them. Because of course, I'm not just another runner doing my own thing and minding my own business :-)
None of this is directed at you, because you’re a civilized person who cares about other people! It’s generally pretty easy to tell the difference between intentional use of the Galloway method and an inconsiderate newbie trying to go at a faster pace than they can sustain. I take walk breaks myself, and I’m aware of who is around me and how my behavior affects them.
If you are doing the Galloway method, pull to the side to walk, don’t cut directly in front of runners on the best tangent. If there is no room to pass, period, because it’s true single track, that might not be the best race to use the Galloway method - but if you must, start back with the walkers so you are the one trying to pass, not making others pass you. Don’t stop dead, and try not to start walking when someone is close enough behind you that they will have to also stop or slam into you. Don’t do it twelve times to the same runner on a 5k course. (By the way, doing it 12 times on a 5k is one way to tell it’s probably not Galloway.) And for pity’s sake don’t do it with your best gal pals two or three or four abreast across the whole path. In footraces, unlike horse racing, etiquette doesn’t call for trying to win by blocking faster people from passing! Everyone should be striving to let everyone else run their best race without anyone being in anyone’s way, that’s just courtesy and good sense.
Kids are a special case, they can’t help being kids. With so many kids today attached to their phones, I’m just delighted to see active kids participating in running. But that doesn’t mean they don’t drive me crazy, it just means I try to deal. Adults, now, there’s no excuse for not trying to be aware of other people around you as an adult.
Fair points. Personally, I always intentionally start races right at the back of the pack (even at times walking back through people who have placed themselves behind me just before the gun) and if there's anyone else anywhere close I intentionally take the worst possible tangent to stay out of the way. Even so, I have heard people mutter towards the end of races when they're worn out and struggling to keep going and we start what in my head I think of as leapfrogging (as in I run past them, then they run past me while I'm walking, then I run past them again over and over). This usually makes me feel so bad that I will run faster or skip a walk break or two to get away from them!
I wish I could persuade my kid to get off her phone and come for a run. Still not happening.
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So much catching up to do - well done to all the race runners!
Have a half marathon booked for Sunday (my second ever race) and I’m still nursing this sore hamstring. Have had a week off running and unexpectedly had some childcare today so decided to try and do a nice long run purely to convince myself I still have it in me! Managed 10 miles but definitely going to take it easy for the rest of the week to keep in with a chance of doing this half. But the October goal is definitely looking iffy!!
10/6: 4.08m
10/10: 8.3m
10/12: 3.1m
10/14: 10.1m
10/21: 10.05m
October total: 35.5m
October goal: 64m
September total: 82.2m
August total: 85m
July total: 90.1m
June total: 86.1m
May total: 67.6m
April total: 71.5m
March total: 42.9m
February total: 30.2m
January total: 31.7m
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RunsOnEspresso wrote: »As to the discussion about running past then cutting off to walk, I've had that happen to me many times. A few of them are still vivid in my mind because it was so bad. It was like those moments when you go to pass a car and they realize it and start to speed up. It's almost as if they can't stand someone running past them. I don't think these are people following a run/walk plan. I can usually pick those out. They usually will look, move over and slow down, making sure they aren't in front of someone. When I've gotten into these passing matches with the rude people I just pick up my pace for a while to get myself far enough ahead of them.
Kids doing it don't bother me. They haven't learned pacing yet. I'm pretty sure 90% of kids run races this way.
At my trail race last weekend, I was probably a bit too close to one lady at the start. I didn't want to go out to fast and she had a good pace. I did eventually pass her but not until a point I was ready. Then later I had someone hang behind me. It didn't bother me because it seems to happen more on trails. People use others to pace plus sometimes it's a single track and even though you try to stay to right there isn't always room to pass.
I've not had too much bother with run-walkers, the only time it's an obvious problem is at drinks stops where people run in, grab a drink, then stop dead. Just move out of the way people. Literally three more steps back out from the table.
I have a bigger issue with being used as a pacer/windbreak. I don't mind it for a few kilometres, or even for the whole race as long as you don't do what a 'friend' of my used to do - sit on my shoulder for the entire 10k race and then kick off and pass me with less than 100m to go. She could sprint, I can't. She'd beat me by 2-3 seconds every single time. Used to piss me off no end. She would laugh. Didn't get that it bothered me. Would joke about drafting and sprinting and the fact she beat me.
I got tired of it after the third or fourth time. By the 10th race I was livid. I tried all sorts of tricks to get her to stop it - starting at the back of the pack, at the front of the pack, trying to lose her in the pack, starting fast, starting slow, telling her it's not the done thing. Nothing worked, she'd find me and run half a pace behind me. I didn't mind being beaten by her, but it felt like she ran my race, not hers. She is younger and a naturally better runner than me. If she'd run her own race she probably would have beaten me by 2-3 minutes and I would have been perfectly happy with that.
Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for her, she is injured and doesn't run anymore.
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ContraryMaryMary wrote: »I have a bigger issue with being used as a pacer/windbreak. I don't mind it for a few kilometres, or even for the whole race as long as you don't do what a 'friend' of my used to do - sit on my shoulder for the entire 10k race and then kick off and pass me with less than 100m to go. She could sprint, I can't. She'd beat me by 2-3 seconds every single time. Used to piss me off no end. She would laugh. Didn't get that it bothered me. Would joke about drafting and sprinting and the fact she beat me.
I got tired of it after the third or fourth time. By the 10th race I was livid. I tried all sorts of tricks to get her to stop it - starting at the back of the pack, at the front of the pack, starting fast, telling her it's not the done thing. Nothing worked, she'd find me and run half a pace behind me. I didn't mind being beaten by her, but it felt like she ran my race, not hers. She is younger and a naturally better runner than me. If she'd run her own race she probably would have beaten me by 2-3 minutes and I would have been perfectly happy with that.
Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for her, she is injured and doesn't run anymore.
*rant over*
Did you ever try a well-placed snot rocket?8 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »I have a bigger issue with being used as a pacer/windbreak. I don't mind it for a few kilometres, or even for the whole race as long as you don't do what a 'friend' of my used to do - sit on my shoulder for the entire 10k race and then kick off and pass me with less than 100m to go. She could sprint, I can't. She'd beat me by 2-3 seconds every single time. Used to piss me off no end. She would laugh. Didn't get that it bothered me. Would joke about drafting and sprinting and the fact she beat me.
I got tired of it after the third or fourth time. By the 10th race I was livid. I tried all sorts of tricks to get her to stop it - starting at the back of the pack, at the front of the pack, starting fast, telling her it's not the done thing. Nothing worked, she'd find me and run half a pace behind me. I didn't mind being beaten by her, but it felt like she ran my race, not hers. She is younger and a naturally better runner than me. If she'd run her own race she probably would have beaten me by 2-3 minutes and I would have been perfectly happy with that.
Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for her, she is injured and doesn't run anymore.
*rant over*
Did you ever try a well-placed snot rocket?
My husband did suggest I try and trip her.4
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