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Looks like we need to bump. How long did it take for some of you to see your flat stomach? I'm 5 weeks in, trying to look forward to the next mini milestone of two months
My stomach is a ways away from "flat" but I've been doing progressive weight lifting for a few years and while I'm still in the "over weight" BMI range, I can see my obliques and the top 4 abdominal muscles are outlined. I'll probably need to lose about 12 more pounds before I start getting a center-line indent, but it's kind of cool that I can be this heavy and still see my muscles...
It's also kind of cool to know my body well enough that I can tell you that I need to lose about 12 more pounds to see a specific change in my body.3 -
My stomach ain’t flat but there’s less fat than when I was heavier and not strength training. I think I’m one of those people who needs to put some direct core work into their programming but honestly I can’t increase my time at the gym atm. I’m focussing in other body parts namely legs and bum. The 6 pack is likely not achievable for me ever or maybe only at a competition level of leanness. Which isn’t a goal of mine presently.2
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I'll probably never have revealed abs or anything but I'd sure be happy with a tighter tummy..sitting at 21% body fat ATM so I still have a ways to go..but I'm finally just letting it happen now, no more "belly fat blasting" diets, compounds, potions, tinctures, herbs, magic spells, etc.. lol.1
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IIFYM isn't the healthiest of diet plans. Yes, it get's results, but so does the Twinkie Diet. Abs and malnourished shouldn't be the goal.
That is not what IIFYM is.6 -
IIFYM isn't the healthiest of diet plans. Yes, it get's results, but so does the Twinkie Diet. Abs and malnourished shouldn't be the goal.
IIFYM doesn't leave people malnourished.4 -
IIFYM isn't the healthiest of diet plans. Yes, it get's results, but so does the Twinkie Diet. Abs and malnourished shouldn't be the goal.
Any diet can be unhealthy. You can be vegan and eat only processed foods. You can follow IIFYM and eat healthier than a "clean" eater simply because your macros are better balanced.
IIFYM isn't seeing how much candy and protein shakes you can fit in your calorie goal. IIFYM is saying a piece of pizza or a Snickers isn't a failure in the context of your entire intake. You can fuel your body well and enjoy any food (in moderation). They are not mutually exclusive.
Some people find that eating a specific way (ketosis, clean, vegan, etc.) is better for them personally when it comes to adherence. That's not wrong. IIFYM is suggested here to let people know that having visible abs doesn't require eating clean. Using IIFYM to fit in as much "junk" in their diet as possible won't lead to long term adherence and adequate gym performance to accomplish a great physique (outside of the use of steroids).12 -
Wow, the IIFYM debate has livened this thread up.
IIFYM has been a game changer for me. It’s not for everyone though. I like the flexibility and my diet is reasonably nutritious overall.3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »IIFYM isn't the healthiest of diet plans. Yes, it get's results, but so does the Twinkie Diet. Abs and malnourished shouldn't be the goal.
IIFYM doesn't leave people malnourished.
It can. If one gets the vast majority their "correct" % of carbs from nutrient poor food as opposed to fruits, veggies, whole grains they will have a good chance of being malnourished.2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »IIFYM isn't the healthiest of diet plans. Yes, it get's results, but so does the Twinkie Diet. Abs and malnourished shouldn't be the goal.
IIFYM doesn't leave people malnourished.
It can. If one gets the vast majority their "correct" % of carbs from nutrient poor food as opposed to fruits, veggies, whole grains they will have a good chance of being malnourished.
Many of our foods are fortified, so the risk of malnourishment isn't as dramatic as your post is making it seem. As I stated previously, adherence to IIFYM long term is difficult when someone is eating unbalanced. Fruits and vegetables are more filling than a donut. That doesn't make it bad to have a donut, but long term people who adhere to their macros will find that eating foods with higher satiety levels makes it easier to stay with.
If someone eats Lucky Charms cereal for breakfast instead of oatmeal they'll actually be opting for a higher number and more diverse micronutrients. The macros for both are relatively close as well. The oatmeal might be more filling for some, but the taste might be more satisfying to others.8 -
Thank you!! I’ve tried this last week and already am seeing results! I did try to eat leaner meats to digest easily2
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In this day and age it would take a concerted effort for someone to become malnourished due to food choice. Any diet that contains even a semblance of a hint of any sort of variety is going to provide the macro and micro nutrients needed.
I mean when was the last time you heard of someone with adequate access to food suffering from malnutrition? Short of perhaps a prolonged monotrophic diet malnutrition isn't a risk.5 -
It's actually pretty easy to be malnourished and hit your macros on any diet. My point with the original post was IIFYM is bad from a foundational/core principle perspective - eat whatever you want if it fits your macros. Yes, we can massage the definition into eat healthy and just have a cheat meal every so often as long as it fits your macros, but that is not truly IIFYM.
Hidden hunger: America’s growing malnutrition epidemic
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/nutrition-hunger-food-children-vitamins-us
Americans Are Malnourished (But Not for the Reasons You'd Think)
https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/americans-are-malnourished-not-reasons-youd-think
You are seriously mistaken on what IIFYM is and the goal behind it. At this point I highly encourage you to join the debate section of the forum to discuss IIFYM further and avoid derailing this thread.13 -
It's actually pretty easy to be malnourished and hit your macros on any diet. My point with the original post was IIFYM is bad from a foundational/core principle perspective - eat whatever you want if it fits your macros. Yes, we can massage the definition into eat healthy and just have a cheat meal every so often as long as it fits your macros, but that is not truly IIFYM.
Hidden hunger: America’s growing malnutrition epidemic
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/nutrition-hunger-food-children-vitamins-us
Americans Are Malnourished (But Not for the Reasons You'd Think)
https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/americans-are-malnourished-not-reasons-youd-think
You are seriously mistaken on what IIFYM is and the goal behind it. At this point I highly encourage you to join the debate section of the forum to discuss IIFYM further and avoid derailing this thread.
Seconded. h.9 -
It's actually pretty easy to be malnourished and hit your macros on any diet. My point with the original post was IIFYM is bad from a foundational/core principle perspective - eat whatever you want if it fits your macros. Yes, we can massage the definition into eat healthy and just have a cheat meal every so often as long as it fits your macros, but that is not truly IIFYM.
Hidden hunger: America’s growing malnutrition epidemic
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/nutrition-hunger-food-children-vitamins-us
Americans Are Malnourished (But Not for the Reasons You'd Think)
https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/americans-are-malnourished-not-reasons-youd-think
Quoted directly from IIFYM website:* Eat less food than you were eating when you gained weight
* Move your body more than you currently are, to help get your blood flowing (this will also help with digestion which is a good thing).
* Focus on being consistent. Though accuracy is super important and pretty much, undeniable.
* …and if you can, try to get a wide variety of foods that are high in micronutrients, minerals, electoleyes, phytonutrients, plant sterols and probiotics (fermented foods are easy enough).
Otherwise, get loads of sleep, lower stress and perform those things that add to your happiness rather than add to your chaos and before long, you will have the physique and the life you want.
So terrible. Not.
P.S. Misspellings are all theirs. Note that I didn't unfairly chop the "if you can".
A zillion blogs and diet/fitness IG "experts" and such out there giving advice . . . the IIFYM advice is substantially better and more level-headed than most.
Also note: I'm not any kind of disciple or devotee of formal IIFYM. I have nutritional goals, and I try to hit them the overwhelming majority of the time. That's it.5 -
It's actually pretty easy to be malnourished and hit your macros on any diet. My point with the original post was IIFYM is bad from a foundational/core principle perspective - eat whatever you want if it fits your macros. Yes, we can massage the definition into eat healthy and just have a cheat meal every so often as long as it fits your macros, but that is not truly IIFYM.
Hidden hunger: America’s growing malnutrition epidemic
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/nutrition-hunger-food-children-vitamins-us
Americans Are Malnourished (But Not for the Reasons You'd Think)
https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/americans-are-malnourished-not-reasons-youd-think
Quoted directly from IIFYM website:* Eat less food than you were eating when you gained weight
* Move your body more than you currently are, to help get your blood flowing (this will also help with digestion which is a good thing).
* Focus on being consistent. Though accuracy is super important and pretty much, undeniable.
* …and if you can, try to get a wide variety of foods that are high in micronutrients, minerals, electoleyes, phytonutrients, plant sterols and probiotics (fermented foods are easy enough).
Otherwise, get loads of sleep, lower stress and perform those things that add to your happiness rather than add to your chaos and before long, you will have the physique and the life you want.
So terrible. Not.
P.S. Misspellings are all theirs. Note that I didn't unfairly chop the "if you can".
A zillion blogs and diet/fitness IG "experts" and such out there giving advice . . . the IIFYM advice is substantially better and more level-headed than most.
Also note: I'm not any kind of disciple or devotee of formal IIFYM. I have nutritional goals, and I try to hit them the overwhelming majority of the time. That's it.
Agree, not terrible, pretty much common sense. Personally don't like the "and if you can, try to get a wide variety of foods that are high in micronutrients, minerals, electoleyes, phytonutrients, plant sterols and probiotics (fermented foods are easy enough)." Be a *kitten* adult and do it.
I didn't realize the self acknowledged founder if IIFYM has no formal training in nutrition.
https://www.iifym.com/about-iifym/
He's basically telling people to do what the CDC tells people to do for free and getting rich off it. It's all in the marketing. CDC does't up up random before and after pictures on their site. But I guess if it helps people great.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »It's actually pretty easy to be malnourished and hit your macros on any diet. My point with the original post was IIFYM is bad from a foundational/core principle perspective - eat whatever you want if it fits your macros. Yes, we can massage the definition into eat healthy and just have a cheat meal every so often as long as it fits your macros, but that is not truly IIFYM.
Hidden hunger: America’s growing malnutrition epidemic
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/nutrition-hunger-food-children-vitamins-us
Americans Are Malnourished (But Not for the Reasons You'd Think)
https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/americans-are-malnourished-not-reasons-youd-think
Quoted directly from IIFYM website:* Eat less food than you were eating when you gained weight
* Move your body more than you currently are, to help get your blood flowing (this will also help with digestion which is a good thing).
* Focus on being consistent. Though accuracy is super important and pretty much, undeniable.
* …and if you can, try to get a wide variety of foods that are high in micronutrients, minerals, electoleyes, phytonutrients, plant sterols and probiotics (fermented foods are easy enough).
Otherwise, get loads of sleep, lower stress and perform those things that add to your happiness rather than add to your chaos and before long, you will have the physique and the life you want.
So terrible. Not.
P.S. Misspellings are all theirs. Note that I didn't unfairly chop the "if you can".
A zillion blogs and diet/fitness IG "experts" and such out there giving advice . . . the IIFYM advice is substantially better and more level-headed than most.
Also note: I'm not any kind of disciple or devotee of formal IIFYM. I have nutritional goals, and I try to hit them the overwhelming majority of the time. That's it.
Agree, not terrible, pretty much common sense. Personally don't like the "and if you can, try to get a wide variety of foods that are high in micronutrients, minerals, electoleyes, phytonutrients, plant sterols and probiotics (fermented foods are easy enough)." Be a *kitten* adult and do it.
I didn't realize the self acknowledged founder if IIFYM has no formal training in nutrition.
https://www.iifym.com/about-iifym/
He's basically telling people to do what the CDC tells people to do for free and getting rich off it. It's all in the marketing. CDC does't up up random before and after pictures on their site. But I guess if it helps people great.
The whole "be an adult and do it" thing isn't helpful. You're essentially telling people they're doomed to eat foods they dislike or to stay fat. That sort of mentality and approach isn't healthy or helpful. People need tools to help them along the way, not a parent figure telling them to grow up.
The IIFYM site is far from the only available resource on IIFYM. The guy who started that site just put a name to what others were already doing. The macronutrient suggestions on the IIFYM site quoted above don't even closely resemble the CDC's suggestions.9 -
Bumping for the new year.7
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Hi! Might be actually seeing you at a meet (or randomly at a fight) this year. 2019 was harsh.3
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