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cmriverside wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Los Angeles County has its first case from "community spread" as opposed to an identified source of exposure (such as travel). https://abc7.com/health/2-new-cases-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-la-county/5997738/
Tonight on the news I heard several times that once community spread is happening, containment is no longer an option and the focus must shift to mitigation.
Right, I mean yeah they can encourage all the mitigation techniques...I guess it's a bit of a semantics thing. I don't think it was ever going to be "contained" as long as people live together, work together etc., but that's a term that is thrown around a lot, maybe just not by the WHO or CDC. Once it jumped continents it was Katy-bar-the-door.
Mitigation...how does one measure the success rate of mitigation?
I think the best we can hope for is self isolation helping to create a slow roll of cases so the health care infrastructure has a chance to stay on top of the epidemic .6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Los Angeles County has its first case from "community spread" as opposed to an identified source of exposure (such as travel). https://abc7.com/health/2-new-cases-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-la-county/5997738/
Tonight on the news I heard several times that once community spread is happening, containment is no longer an option and the focus must shift to mitigation.
That makes good sense. One in KY works at a Walmart and the one today in GA was a teacher with a lot of student and staff interactions. It is the retirement age group that suffers the most risk of death.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Los Angeles County has its first case from "community spread" as opposed to an identified source of exposure (such as travel). https://abc7.com/health/2-new-cases-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-la-county/5997738/
Tonight on the news I heard several times that once community spread is happening, containment is no longer an option and the focus must shift to mitigation.
Right, I mean yeah they can encourage all the mitigation techniques...I guess it's a bit of a semantics thing. I don't think it was ever going to be "contained" as long as people live together, work together etc., but that's a term that is thrown around a lot, maybe just not by the WHO or CDC. Once it jumped continents it was Katy-bar-the-door.
Mitigation...how does one measure the success rate of mitigation?
Infection rates in the population, and deaths, perhaps? Or, as mph323 suggested, speed of progression as compared with speed of developing tests, treatments, vaccines, etc?0 -
cmriverside wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Los Angeles County has its first case from "community spread" as opposed to an identified source of exposure (such as travel). https://abc7.com/health/2-new-cases-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-la-county/5997738/
Tonight on the news I heard several times that once community spread is happening, containment is no longer an option and the focus must shift to mitigation.
Right, I mean yeah they can encourage all the mitigation techniques...I guess it's a bit of a semantics thing. I don't think it was ever going to be "contained" as long as people live together, work together etc., but that's a term that is thrown around a lot, maybe just not by the WHO or CDC. Once it jumped continents it was Katy-bar-the-door.
Mitigation...how does one measure the success rate of mitigation?
If one lives or dies I guess is one way to measure the success rate of mitigation. After the tilting point happens all we know there is no containment. Since it does like 80F and above temperatures going to the deep south may be the best mitigation.1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
My luck has been pretty bad lately, so I'm just due for a win somewhere. This just might be the time.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .14 -
I am uncertain if I believe 1 way or another if naturally increasing outdoor temperature's an indication of cessation, due to air conditioning indoors. Unless the theory's that it's all encompassing seasonal change beyond just the temperature, of which only the Biosphere 2 otherwise'd closely mimic.0
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html
AmTrak has a station a block away from where I live and that train goes through here (the train goes North-South from Chicago to New Orleans). Should I panic yet?!
If your daily routine includes hanging around the station and hugging randos getting off of the City of New Orleans then it might be OK to panic, otherwise you're probably still OK.
"Hugging on the City of New Orleans
Illinois Central, Monday morning rail..."
(I've always liked that the song mentions Kankakee.)
Since you're in Chi, I assume you know it was Steve Goodman, not Arlo Guthrie, and a real trip report.
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I work for a rental car company at an airport, so get into a lot of different cars... Good luck me!
The three stores my family usually shops at are still pretty stocked, so no panic in my area yet.6 -
I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼
I've seen that stat on multiple historical info sites, and before this new virus became a thing. Wow.
And my understanding is that while it was bad in the beginning of 1918, when it re-emerged in the fall it was worse. Obviously it had it's own specific traits and was a different virus than the current one so I'm not drawing any parallels. Supposedly it was unexpectedly deadly among young healthy adults, which the current coronavirus doesn't seem to be. And I'd like to think the lack of sanitary conditions and difficulty in getting information to the masses played a role in that pandemic that is a bit alleviated now, at least in many places. But it's a reminder that "it's just a flu" and "it's just 2%" are disrespectful of what that means in number of lives taken and number of people affected. There's no harm in being vigilant just in case, as long as it's not taken to an extreme
ETA: Perhaps after watching a few dystopian apocalypse movies, I should get a book on the 1918 spanish flu.
@kimny72
Funny you mention a book on the flu. I’m listening to the Murmur of Bees By Sofia Segovia. And the Spanish flu is just taking hold in Mexico. No pun intended but people are dropping like flies.1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.3 -
Here's why Ozzy never got bat flu
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
Be there tomorrow. You like dogs and cats, right?7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
I appreciate the kind invitation, and it would be lovely to meet you in person. But planes or boats? Hmmm.
We still have zero confirmed cases in my US state, and I'm all stocked up (just my normal practice, as a lazy/infrequent shopper in snow, tornado and storm-related power outage country who lives alone and hibernates when ill).
Truly, I'm at zero personal stress over this, so far.3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
Be there tomorrow. You like dogs and cats, right?
I'm not sure how my cats would feel about a drooler in the house, but you're all welcome!Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
I appreciate the kind invitation, and it would be lovely to meet you in person. But planes or boats? Hmmm.
We still have zero confirmed cases in my US state, and I'm all stocked up (just my normal practice, as a lazy/infrequent shopper in snow, tornado and storm-related power outage country who lives alone and hibernates when ill).
Truly, I'm at zero personal stress over this, so far.
Yes, good point on the flying and floating petri dishes. You could row over?5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
Be there tomorrow. You like dogs and cats, right?
I'm not sure how my cats would feel about a drooler in the house, but you're all welcome!Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
I appreciate the kind invitation, and it would be lovely to meet you in person. But planes or boats? Hmmm.
We still have zero confirmed cases in my US state, and I'm all stocked up (just my normal practice, as a lazy/infrequent shopper in snow, tornado and storm-related power outage country who lives alone and hibernates when ill).
Truly, I'm at zero personal stress over this, so far.
Yes, good point on the flying and floating petri dishes. You could row over?
I could borrow my brother's two kayaks and we could both paddle over.3 -
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Then you won't get it again, guaranteed, eh?
Recently semi-diagnosed with maybe-COPD. Loving the timing wrt possible pneumonia-causing virus. Thanks, ironic universe! 🙄
Not that worried, really: Just the 🙄 .
You're welcome to come and join me in my little bubble at the bottom of the world, Ann. If the Ministry of Health is to be believed, all is still pretty good here. Five cases, no new ones in the past three days. Containment phase going well. And I have a good supply of toilet paper.
Be there tomorrow. You like dogs and cats, right?
I'm not sure how my cats would feel about a drooler in the house, but you're all welcome!
I can't control it, but I understand. What would they think of the dogs?11 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »"The American people don't believe anything until they see it on television."
Richard Nixon
Propaganda is amazing. People can be led to believe anything.
Alice Walker
"If people in the media cannot decide whether they are in the business of reporting news or manufacturing propaganda, it is all the more important that the public understand that difference, and choose their news sources accordingly."
Thomas Sowell
"All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume."
Noam Chomsky
“Whatever of social importance is done today, whether in politics, finance, manufacture, agriculture, charity, education, or other fields, must be done with the help of propaganda.”
― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda
"Art and mass entertainment and propaganda, they can all be plotted on the same graph, but there is a difference".
David Mamet
ETA:
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SEE DEFINITION OF propaganda
noun information that is designed to mislead or persuade
Synonyms for propaganda
disinformation
hype
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publicity
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agitprop
announcement
brainwashing
doctrine
evangelism
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implantation
inculcation
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Soooo, you think the whole thing is made up, @NewLIFEstyle4ME? Overstated? What exactly is your point here?
I'd say that the media are building a panic to create more sensational stories. A story that gets a reaction is one that sells. Coronavirus is not made up, coronavirus can kill. However, the world won't end, more people are affected by and die from the flu. There is no need to go out and buy a year's supply of non-perishables because of it. There is no reason to avoid all social contact because 1 person in your state has a confirmed diagnosis. Simply take all precautions you should already be taking to improve personal hygiene and stop the spread of all infections.
Yes. I’d prefer it if folks would stop referring to it as “the deadly Coronavirus.” Yes, it has killed people. But we don’t refer to other diseases that have done the same as “the deadly flu,” “the deadly strep,” etc. not even bacterial meningitis (there are several different strains of bacteria that can cause it—mortality rates vary by strain, region and population) which is highly contagious and has a much higher mortality rate. The difficulty in treatment being how fast it can become fatal. Without treatment, as high as 70%. Been through two outbreaks due to work. Scary how fast it hits.6 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »
I do wonder if the hope that warmer weather will slow this thing down is too optimistic. My understanding is that this thing is closer to the common cold than it is to the flu, right? And I know that there are strains of the cold virus that lives just fine in hot temperatures - I've had a few summer colds in my lifetime.
Considering that it is summer/autumn in half of the world and the virus is spreading through those countries as well, I don't think that the weather has anything to do with it. Australia is just going into Autumn, so the virus spread here in Summer, and we have three confirmed deaths so far. We have schools closed down because people travelled in from overseas and didn't self-quarantine as they were instructed. And we have that stupid panic-buying paranoia throughout the country too - which is probably more dangerous than the virus itself.
I think the rest of the world is just about to realise how much we all rely on imports from China. I can only hope that causes a shift towards a more local-sourced attitude for shoppers, even once everything is back to normal.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html
AmTrak has a station a block away from where I live and that train goes through here (the train goes North-South from Chicago to New Orleans). Should I panic yet?!
If your daily routine includes hanging around the station and hugging randos getting off of the City of New Orleans then it might be OK to panic, otherwise you're probably still OK.
"Hugging on the City of New Orleans
Illinois Central, Monday morning rail..."
(I've always liked that the song mentions Kankakee.)
Since you're in Chi, I assume you know it was Steve Goodman, not Arlo Guthrie, and a real trip report.
Huge fan of Steve Goodman, but the sung version I think of is Willie Nelson, not Arlo.2 -
If anyone has trouble locating toilet paper, how about cleaning your closets of clothes that you don't intend to wear again & cut them into pieces, as a temporary replacement but be mindful, not to drop them into the toilet but the trash instead?1
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I haven't noticed any shortage of TP, but better than wasting old clothes, I have tons of mailings from political candidates that could be repurposed. Bloomberg alone (yeah, I know he's now out) is a huge supply and if I included local candidates I'd be great, and our primary isn't 'til next week (Ann, yours ends a whole week earlier, so I am kind of jealous, even if it would be nice to matter more than we normally do).
Steve Goodman song about something that is weirdly still an issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF3q7o8Yjrg
https://blockclubchicago.org/2018/09/12/lincoln-towing-gets-license-revoked-by-state-regulators/
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Truly, I'm at zero personal stress over this, so far.
That's admirable, and I mean that sincerely.
For some reason I'm overreacting compared to my normal type of response. A friend asked me where I was 1-10, and I said 6 - only 1 (vs. 0) about personal physical danger (although I find I am way more conscious of the fact I constantly touch my face and of all the other contact I have on the L, my most likely infection vector), more like 4 for my concern about high risk people (before she died 2 years ago my mom was in assisted living in WA state, which is probably making some of this hit home), and then the stock market has been freaking me out about the economy tanking (although I may refi to my own benefit even though I think the reduced interest rates are getting insane and irresponsible).5 -
I'd not, use mail because of 1: paper cuts {I don't wanna create open wounds, that especially feces might get into whilst wiping}, 2: if glossy, not absorbent or flexible enough to conform to bodily curves, waste might drip and/or fall via it & 3: plausible ink transfer.
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Truly, I'm at zero personal stress over this, so far.
That's admirable, and I mean that sincerely.
For some reason I'm overreacting compared to my normal type of response. A friend asked me where I was 1-10, and I said 6 - only 1 (vs. 0) about personal physical danger (although I find I am way more conscious of the fact I constantly touch my face and of all the other contact I have on the L, my most likely infection vector), more like 4 for my concern about high risk people (before she died 2 years ago my mom was in assisted living in WA state, which is probably making some of this hit home), and then the stock market has been freaking me out about the economy tanking (although I may refi to my own benefit even though I think the reduced interest rates are getting insane and irresponsible).
I’m more concerned about a severe global recession than the actual virus. Although my anxiety over the virus is about. 4 on a 1-10 scale. I live in a rural part of CA that hasn’t seen any cases yet, but we get a lot of visitors from the Bay Area, so only a matter of time. I am somewhat anxious about an upcoming trip to Carlsbad, where my sister want to go out partying.3 -
TwistedSassette wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »
I do wonder if the hope that warmer weather will slow this thing down is too optimistic. My understanding is that this thing is closer to the common cold than it is to the flu, right? And I know that there are strains of the cold virus that lives just fine in hot temperatures - I've had a few summer colds in my lifetime.
Considering that it is summer/autumn in half of the world and the virus is spreading through those countries as well, I don't think that the weather has anything to do with it. Australia is just going into Autumn, so the virus spread here in Summer, and we have three confirmed deaths so far. We have schools closed down because people travelled in from overseas and didn't self-quarantine as they were instructed. And we have that stupid panic-buying paranoia throughout the country too - which is probably more dangerous than the virus itself.
I think the rest of the world is just about to realise how much we all rely on imports from China. I can only hope that causes a shift towards a more local-sourced attitude for shoppers, even once everything is back to normal.
You have to remember that the vast majority of confirmed cases in Australia are from people that contracted it overseas and brought it back with them. There have only been a few cases of person to person spread on Australian soil. Those countries experiencing the most cases are all just leaving their winter. Time will tell on whether the northern hemisphere starts experiencing less and the southern hemisphere more as the season change.2
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