Coronavirus prep
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missysippy930 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
Just curious: Do you think Iran is overreporting or underreporting?
ETA "think"
could go either way, though I'd lean more toward under-reporting. At the very least, I'd have more trust in what was being posted online by individual citizens than what the government there report - this is the country that just recently tried to cover up that they had shot down a civilian plane after all.
Then again, I think the under-reporting is happening everywhere, for reasons ranging from a desire to suppress numbers in some places, probably, but mainly because of lack of testing and many mildly symptomatic people not getting tested or thinking to ask to be tested. Its like when I look at the map and see that there aren't that many cases showing up in Africa being reported. I'd love to think that's because it hasn't spread much there, but then I think of the plight of many of the people on that continent and realize that testing is probably non-existent there just because resources are so scarce.
Where would I go to find the currently mortality statistics for the 2019-2020 flu season? I've tried the CDC and the WHO and can't make heads or tails of what they are showing and can't find a total cumulative number to compare to.
I keep hearing 30,000 bandied about, but I don't know if that is supposed to be total US flu deaths or world flu deaths.
And the map confirms now that there definitely has been a case now reported in my county.
I say undereporting worldwide, with very few exceptions. Simple logistics because there aren’t enough tests available.
I agree. In the US, at least, I don't think it's an issue of hiding anything, but not having enough tests and having started testing later than we should have as a result. I think we likely won't know how many got it, what the true death rate from it is, what the true hospitalization rate from it is until perhaps we can do an estimate after the fact and use tests for the antibodies.7 -
Thanks to everyone for such thoughtful and intelligent insights.
Here in Washington where the nursing home outbreak was the canary in the coal mine, there are two articles/reports after reviewing this nursing home. It seems they are discussing mitigation and mistakes made. I haven't read them yet, but they're on the front page of our state's COVID response daily update page in case anyone wants to read them. The studies were released yesterday:
New England Journal of Medicine - Epidemiology of Covid-19 in a Long-Term Care Facility in King County, Washington
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e1.htm?s_cid=mm6913e1_w
CDC - Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infections in Residents of a Long-Term Care Skilled Nursing Facility — King County, Washington, March 2020
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa20054124 -
The FDA just approved a rapid covid-19 test which gives positive results in 5 minutes, negative in 17 minutes. Hopefully they get these tests out quickly.13
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@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.3
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I mentioned a couple days ago that Washington is testing people from home using a mail-in self-administered test that is obtained through a website affiliated with King County and the Seattle Flu project. https://publichealthinsider.com/2020/03/23/introducing-scan-the-greater-seattle-coronavirus-assessment-network/
I don't know how they are choosing who to test. It does appear from DOH reporting that there are more tests being done on older people - I'm going to presume that's either because more are presenting to hospital in significant distress OR they are choosing to test more older people to get a handle on the coming tsunami. A representative sampling would make me feel better, but I suspect a lot of this is about testing the waters, so to speak. To prepare the infrastructure.
Either way. There are a lot of younger people testing positive in the population.
We're gonna be locked down for a while.
Stay safe everyone.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something?
Not Ann but: They can be washed and re-used BUT they must be made of 100% cotton tightly woven or finely knit fabric which can withstand the high temps needed to properly sanitize them. Most are using quilting cottons which also gives a nice selection of cute prints.
News from Italy---Giorgio Armani is going to making masks, as are other fashion houses here. You ladies are going to have some stiff competition for the most fashionable mask.
Christian Siriano also put his sewers to work making them. Project Runway, mask edition.3 -
Here's a very good piece summarizing information known about the coronavirus: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/tip-iceberg-virologist-david-ho-bs-74-speaks-about-covid-19
Some bits are a little outdated, but not terribly so.2 -
@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
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There was an interview on NPR the other day that speaks to this, to some extent. (It's an interview with Max Brooks, author of "World War Z" (Zombie book!), but also a real-life disaster planning expert.)
I've tinyurl-ed the link because the link is basically the headline, and and the headline is too click-bait-y for my taste. The interview was interesting and provocative, but I won't go much further to claim that it's authoritative. Use your own judgement. It's not specifically partisan politics, but there is very strong criticism of US actions, not all of it aimed at the current administration.
I promise this links to Fresh Air at NPR.
https://tinyurl.com/thv86y2
ETA: I know it's long (41 minutes), but I recommend the full audio interview over the summary text version. It's more nuanced, among other reasons. Your favorite podcast app may have Fresh Air; this was the Max Brooks interview, broadcast on (IIRC) 3/24.
The interview really helps put a lot of things into perspective, and I appreciate that he is a self-taught expert whose expertise is recognized by the U.S. Military. I also respect that he doesn't blame one person and identifies where others--including the majority of us--can take action to prevent this scenario from unfolding again.
Thanks for sharing the link.
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Here's a very good piece summarizing information known about the coronavirus: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/tip-iceberg-virologist-david-ho-bs-74-speaks-about-covid-19
Some bits are a little outdated, but not terribly so.
Still valuable; thanks.
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snowflake954 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something?
Not Ann but: They can be washed and re-used BUT they must be made of 100% cotton tightly woven or finely knit fabric which can withstand the high temps needed to properly sanitize them. Most are using quilting cottons which also gives a nice selection of cute prints.
News from Italy---Giorgio Armani is going to making masks, as are other fashion houses here. You ladies are going to have some stiff competition for the most fashionable mask.
Christian Siriano also put his sewers to work making them. Project Runway, mask edition.
okay, obviously I have been out in the sun too long today. I have no idea who Christian Siriano is, but I was assuming he was a clothing designer of some kind. When I read "sewers" my mind interpreted that to be sewers as in conduit for waste, and thought "is that what he calls his brand?" Then it dawned on me - not "SEWE-ers", you idiot, its "SOE-wers".
Think this means its time for a nap......10 -
I read ‘sewers’ the same way as you! Also never heard of that designer 😂
I’m guessing that’s why someone who sews is generally called a ‘seamstress’, rather than a ‘sewer’!5 -
He won Project Runway (US) and is currently (I think, I haven't watched it for ages) in the Tim Gunn role there (which will mean nothing to you if you haven't seen the show). He's got a successful design business, I believe has done a number of dresses for celebs at awards shows and such.
Seamstress is gendered and there could be male sew-ers -- that still seems wrong so I looked up what's a male seamstress and got: "a man who sews and does not do tailoring can be called a clothier, a woman can be called a clothier as well, but it has come to mean someone who merchandises in clothing. A man may be called a dressmaker, especially if he has created his own clothing line. A seamstress and a tailor are two different occupations." So sewer seems as good as anything, I suppose.
Reminds me of my English gggg-grandfather who was a draper (or linendraper in one census). I like old profession names.3 -
snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something?
I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.8 -
snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
Yeah, that's my understanding. I was super shy as a kid, so everyone assumed I was an extreme introvert, but it later turned out I was really pretty much on the cusp (as you suggest most are). Usually when I take the Myers Briggs test (not saying that's actually real or meaningful), I usually get E, but it's close, and I've gotten I too, just depends on my mood. (I'm very/overwhelmingly strongly N, and pretty strongly T and P.)
I have no issues with entertaining myself on my own, but a lack of human contact (and to some extent personal contact) has been a trigger for me for depression in the past, so it was something I was really worried about (especially as I normally hate the phone). The internet helps (although can be bad too, as you can fall into a rabbit hole reading everything about the virus), things like Zoom help (one of my community organization board meetings is going forward on Zoom, and I am volunteering with my alderman's office to be part of a team (using Zoom for our planning meetings) to figure out ways to connect with neighbors who might need assistance and then calling people -- this really helps me feel more connected, as well as hopefully helping others more in need), and I've been emailing and talking on the phone with people more than normal. Going outside and walking and waving and smiling at people from a safe distance away helps too -- yesterday I was out running and my next-door neighbor was on the other side of the street walking her dog and we stopped and talked for a few minutes.
This is also related to how I don't like working at home. It's fine, but I prefer being able to brainstorm or share ideas with people in person, and I enjoy helping others work through something too. We've been actively trying to have team calls to make sure we are still working together vs. all off on our own.2 -
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.8 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
I hold my breath every time I pass somebody at work, despite them being 6ft away. It is the weirdest knee-jerk reaction I have developed dealing with the public since all of this has happened, and I notice it every time!14 -
My husband is still working, although the factory he works at has scaled back production by 50%, they've temporarily shut down the OE lines, and they're asking for people to be voluntarily laid off. Every day I vacillate between being grateful he still has work, but also gripped with fear wondering when, not if, he'll come down with this virus. I live with 6 other family members, including my 84 year-old gramma. If he gets sick, we will be able to quarantine ourselves, but there isn't room for me to quarantine away from him, so I'll inevitably get sick as well.
Every day he comes home from work his work clothes are immediately washed, his lunch food containers get soaked in hot soapy water then put in the dishwasher. I Lysol his lunch bag. I use alcohol and peroxide solution to scrub his keys, wallet, cell phone and eyeglasses frames. He takes a shower, scrubs from head to toe. I tend to sanitizing all of his items that have left the house whilst wearing gloves and then I scrub my hands thoroughly. It's an exhausting procedure and at this point I don't even know if it's enough.18 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people.
She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home. 12 -
75 & 80 are high risk group they can wear a mask! My Doctor doesn’t want me in the stores at all told me wear a mask if I have to go to the Doctors office or ER. This stuff is serious the old is so vulnerable anyone not wanting them protected can crawl back under their rock. They are saying limit contact only home nurses no family probably why she didn’t let you in Reenie .
My Dad we’re staying away from to protect him mainly got him to order curbside y at home delivery. So hoping that’s better.Of course then saw on the news a grocery deliverer got sick I got worried again.2 -
cmhubbard92 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
I hold my breath every time I pass somebody at work, despite them being 6ft away. It is the weirdest knee-jerk reaction I have developed dealing with the public since all of this has happened, and I notice it every time!
Speaking of weird, and I don't know whether this is weird perception by me, or weird behavior by others: I go for walks out through my non-dense suburb, shoulder of a a moderate-traffic paved road, has one of those narrow strips for bikes/peds beyond the lane's side-line, but not an actual bike lane. It's always been common (not universal) for drivers to pull out wide around me, just as a kind gesture, when there's no one coming from the other way. I usually give them a smile, a friendly salute, and mouth "thanks!".
Since this social distancing thing, it seems like more people are doing the pull-out, and it seems like a wider pull-out is happening, on average. Could just be me being deluded in my perceptions, could be some unconscious extra distancing by drivers (?), could be people just being more conscious about being thoughtful/protective of others? Dunno.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
Yeah, that's my understanding. I was super shy as a kid, so everyone assumed I was an extreme introvert, but it later turned out I was really pretty much on the cusp (as you suggest most are). Usually when I take the Myers Briggs test (not saying that's actually real or meaningful), I usually get E, but it's close, and I've gotten I too, just depends on my mood. (I'm very/overwhelmingly strongly N, and pretty strongly T and P.)
I have no issues with entertaining myself on my own, but a lack of human contact (and to some extent personal contact) has been a trigger for me for depression in the past, so it was something I was really worried about (especially as I normally hate the phone). The internet helps (although can be bad too, as you can fall into a rabbit hole reading everything about the virus), things like Zoom help (one of my community organization board meetings is going forward on Zoom, and I am volunteering with my alderman's office to be part of a team (using Zoom for our planning meetings) to figure out ways to connect with neighbors who might need assistance and then calling people -- this really helps me feel more connected, as well as hopefully helping others more in need), and I've been emailing and talking on the phone with people more than normal. Going outside and walking and waving and smiling at people from a safe distance away helps too -- yesterday I was out running and my next-door neighbor was on the other side of the street walking her dog and we stopped and talked for a few minutes.
This is also related to how I don't like working at home. It's fine, but I prefer being able to brainstorm or share ideas with people in person, and I enjoy helping others work through something too. We've been actively trying to have team calls to make sure we are still working together vs. all off on our own.
INFP here.
My actual life hasn't changed much at all - my OH and I have both worked from home for some time, I mostly cook and when not we usually get takeout because I don't like noisy restaurants, we don't have a big social life, etc.
But my anxiety has gone through the roof.
I remember after 9/11 people who were glued to the TV were worse off mentally than those who weren't after the first few days, so I am trying to limit my consumption of news. It was difficult at first because I was very interested in the progress of the latest stimulus package, but now that is law. I'm used to having NPR on a lot, so not doing so is a big change.
I'm starting tele-health therapy next week.16 -
Speaking of weird, and I don't know whether this is weird perception by me, or weird behavior by others: I go for walks out through my non-dense suburb, shoulder of a a moderate-traffic paved road, has one of those narrow strips for bikes/peds beyond the lane's side-line, but not an actual bike lane. It's always been common (not universal) for drivers to pull out wide around me, just as a kind gesture, when there's no one coming from the other way. I usually give them a smile, a friendly salute, and mouth "thanks!".
Since this social distancing thing, it seems like more people are doing the pull-out, and it seems like a wider pull-out is happening, on average. Could just be me being deluded in my perceptions, could be some unconscious extra distancing by drivers (?), could be people just being more conscious about being thoughtful/protective of others? Dunno.
I live right outside of a vary rural, small town, and have to walk along the moderate-traffic highway for about 1/4 mile before I hit town and the sidewalks. There is no bike lane and a narrow strip between the highway and the guardrail on one side and the highway and a ditch on the other. I try to get over as far as I can, and thankfully, its a pretty straight stretch so people have time to see me and I have time to see them, but there haven't been that many to get over away from me as I'm walking along the guardrail (that side has a wee bit more space than the other). It's really disconcerting when a tractor trailer is coming because there is nowhere to go but to squeeze up against the guardrail as its a steep drop immediately on the other side.
But this is the only place I have to walk when I'm at home, so I brave it. Once I get to town, its not bad - there is a wide parking area between the main street and the sidewalks until I get to the other side of town, and the side streets are still fairly wide.
I've been walking this for the last week since work at home started, but after a week's worth of walks, I can count on 1 hand the number of people I've passed, and there is plenty of room to get the needed 6 ft or more apart. Except that 1st 1/4 mile, anyway.2 -
Just another reason why I’m happy to be a Californian,,,,,,
A Northern California company is working around-the-clock to fix 170 busted ventilators received by the state from a federal stockpile, officials said Saturday.
The equipment — crucial in treating COVID-19 patients — arrived Saturday at Bloom Energy in San Jose and should be working and dispatched to Los Angeles County by Monday, said Gov. Gavin Newsom.
“Rather than lamenting about it, rather than complaining about it, rather than pointing fingers .. we got a car and a truck and we had those 170 brought here,” Newsom said at the company. “That’s the spirit of California, that’s the spirit of this moment.”15 -
cmriverside wrote: »I mentioned a couple days ago that Washington is testing people from home using a mail-in self-administered test that is obtained through a website affiliated with King County and the Seattle Flu project. https://publichealthinsider.com/2020/03/23/introducing-scan-the-greater-seattle-coronavirus-assessment-network/
I don't know how they are choosing who to test. It does appear from DOH reporting that there are more tests being done on older people - I'm going to presume that's either because more are presenting to hospital in significant distress OR they are choosing to test more older people to get a handle on the coming tsunami. A representative sampling would make me feel better, but I suspect a lot of this is about testing the waters, so to speak. To prepare the infrastructure.
Either way. There are a lot of younger people testing positive in the population.
We're gonna be locked down for a while.
Stay safe everyone.
I wouldn't think they would be using mail-in self-administered tests on people who present to a hospital. I would think that they would be more for people who call or video chat with their doctors and are deemed to be possibly infected but not sick enough to come to the hospital, so they tell them to stay home and mail them the test, and they mail it back. Maybe I'm missing something.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
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That’s not quite it, though (introvert here). There’s a difference between feeling drained by socializing and faking enjoyment. I enjoy the heck out of many social situations. Then I go home and collapse and need to recharge. Extroverts feel charged by socializing.lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
I think this example comes from a Myer/Briggs book I read a while ago. Imagine an introvert and an extrovert trying to get some studying done at a library. The introvert gets tired by having to interact with other people at the library and wants to go sit alone with a book to recharge. The extrovert gets exhausted from sitting alone with the book and looks for excuses to take a study break so she can go talk to someone to recharge.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
Not to belabor it, but I think that just like I don't really understand what it feels like to be an extrovert, you may not be as attuned to introversion. Obviously, different people feel differently, regardless of where they are on that continuum, so I'm not going to psychoanalyze anyone else.
Speaking for myself: I'm strongly introverted by nature, but I enjoy social situations (not faking), to a certain extent, just as (I suspect) many/most extroverts enjoy being alone sometimes. I do lots of things that take energy, and enjoy them. Socializing is one of those. It's stimulating and fun, but it takes energy. At a certain point, I burn out on it, get overloaded, whatever you want to call it, and need to recharge nonsocially. I go to, and enjoy, local craft group meetings weekly (plus), no faking or disguising anything involved.
But this is off-topic to the thread, other than the observation that, as one of the memes joked, introverts have been "Training for this stay-at-home order their whole lives". (But it's a joke, right?
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