Coronavirus prep
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Masks required here I only saw half wearing them hopefully that will change I’m in SA Tx1
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.0 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Me neither, but there still isn't any where I live. Still as best as I can tell, stores will be able to get some in late May.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »So when they open these areas up in the places with no cases, would they stop people from traveling to them to shop? I would be worried that an asymptomatic person would go shopping and accidentally create cases in a city trying to open.
They will be closed off. No one is allowed in or out.
How does that work? Do you have that many government officials that they can stop people at every road? In the U.S. people would just go anyway. But then the amount of tom-foolery-you're-not-the-boss-of-me going on here cannot be over-stated.
The army forces are involved. It's a small country so the number of provinces is small (12), and each province has limited points of entry by car. Currently, only people with permits are allowed to drive, and even fewer have permits to drive between provinces. A close off means even stricter rules for entry.
With all known cases currently quarantined in hospitals, and all buildings/streets that had several cases quarantined off by the army to anticipate any potential silent cases, the risk is there, but smaller. Things are under control, for now, but if some undiscovered pockets emerge, they'll hopefully be localized to an area because of driving restrictions. Some people do break the rules, but the fear of temporarily losing their car keeps many people within a few kilometers of their house.
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We've had a scary case of someone whose brother father has the virus and was ordered to home quarantine, but it wasn't a hot spot, so his area wasn't under mandatory quarantine. He worked at a pharmacy, so he also has a permit to use his car. He broke quarantine and kept going to work, so yeah, mistakes do happen. We may see an uptick in a week or two because of it, but I hope it won't cause things to spiral out of control.
Another was a case whose brother was sick and order to home quarantine, but he kept going to work (selling vegetables).
The next 2 weeks will reveal if we lose control or not.
Yes. These are the reasons more places are introducing mandatory lockdowns.1 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I just wanna go grocery shopping without the added extra of having to explain to people how arrows work. Lol.
Wow. Had to find your previous post to understand about the arrows. Where I live we only have the lines on the floor to separate people in the queue.1 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Part of it is the herd mentality where people hear about possible shortages. The majority of it is that TP is a comfort necessity and people feel like they have some control over an uncontrollable situation when they have enough of a necessity. We see it every time a blizzard is predicted. Eggs, milk and bread make sense (aka the French toast run) but TP also sells out. I suspect there will be several doctoral theses in Psychology in the near future as people study this.2 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Speaking of reasons..
The other day I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, I didnt have many bags, unlike my last trip where it took me 7 trips back and forth to get everything inside...
So I'm waiting for my cab, he shows up, and immediately walks right over to my cart right behind me pretty much shoulder to shoulder to grab some of my bags.
I said "it's okay, I got them" but he took them anyway.
So I get in the car and I see no disinfecting wipes or sanitizer, no masks no gloves.. nothing.
We get to my place and after I pay him, I get out and go around to get the bags and again he gets out and comes right up beside me and grabs some bags
Again I said "it's okay I can take them" and he said no no, I will carry them to your place, and I said no, it's fine, i can handle them.
I basically had to pry my bags from his hands.
I honestly wouldnt think.. at this point that i would have to be blunt and state the obvious about social distancing... as it's been everywhere you go for weeks. So it surprised me that twice he gave no thought to himself or me..
In trying to be a gentleman he removed my ability twice to maintain my own 6 feet of space.
I dont know if he just didnt get it? Or if he just didnt care. But it's people like that, that would make it hard to reopen parts of the city or county without them just coming into that space.
I was pretty mad.. last thing I need is to catch this just before I return to work because someone else just didnt care or doesnt take it seriously enough.
All i could think was... what if he had done this for all his passengers? Then by being that close to me, shared it with me cause he picked it up from someone else.... what if I was unlucky enough to bring something home from the store and by him grabbing my bags, hes got it and now sharing it with new passengers.
I actually wrote a tiny rant about it on my main profile as a vent, and someone that is no longer a friend cause they deleted themselves, condescendingly told me that they Hope I find happiness in my life so I dont blame others.
So besides the cab driver, here is another person who seems to think violation of space and potential infection from someone else should be invited with love and acceptance.
I dont blame those who ended up with it, it spread so quickly, and it's been hard to control, but I will get mad at those who dont do their own part to work together to protect those who haven't yet. Its gonna spread enough as it is, just trying to maintain some essential services to live and work, why make it harder?
Keep your distance. Wash your hands. And those red arrows on the floor at the grocery store indicating which direction the flow of the aisle is.. follow it, dont just barge down the wrong way because you're only getting 1 thing and you dont wanna walk down another aisle just to go in the right direction. It's not hard..
Lol... so frustrating when I see things like this
Perhaps a call to the cab company as a gentle reminder, since this has happened more than once.
Oh, well no, only the once, lol you read my rant the other day I'm sure, that's who I'm talking about lol
Did you have a mask on? To me, unless someone has been living under a rock for the last 3 months, it should've been obvious anyways but especially if you were wearing a mask.
Was he an older guy? I have found(and I hate to generalize here but....) a lot of the older men I've seen, have poo-poo-ed this whole thing. Macho maybe? Or just extra gentlemanly and impossible to change his ways?
Either way, it's kind of unsettling.
I had seen an uptake of wearing masks lately, which was making me feel much safer. But yesterday when I went to the grocery store, only about 1/4 of the shoppers were wearing one and even less of the workers. And not as much social distancing as I've been noticing either. Are people getting sick of it or becoming desensitized?
My elderly neighbor keeps stopping over to visit. He's 87 yo and I've spoken to him about staying home but he stayed away for 2 weeks and felt that was enough. And he sees that I'm not coughing, etc., so figures all is well. He feels this is all a ridiculous farce anyways. I'm afraid there are still way too many who aren't taking this seriously.
The old guy is lonely and needs good neighbours. At that age he doesn't mind if he dies of COVID-19, some other disease, or simply of old age.3 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »One of my neighbors has a daughter having a 16th birthday party. Only 8 cars when I passed by, but still.
One of my nextdoor neighbors has two young boys (around 8 and 10). Over the weekend one had a birthday, and so the tree in front of their house was filled with balloons and a big "Happy Birthday, _______!" sign (obviously the kid's name instead of the blank). It was nice. They did not have anyone over.
They have been playing together in the backyard a lot with a basketball hoop and occasionally run into mine to grab balls. Their parents and I wave at each other and smile.4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Has anyone been to Costco recently? I know when the Safer at Home order first came down, Costco was reportedly a nightmare. I'm thinking to go there next week, probably looking for canned tuna and a few other things I like to buy in bulk. Has anyone braved it lately? In your town, have the lines outside and the supplies inside normalized like they have at the grocery store?
I've been to Costco a few times and had different experiences:
The week before last, there were only a few people waiting in line outside. They had a white board at the door listing what was out of stock....a relatively short list, just disinfectants, gloves, hand sanitizer, and dried beans. They had toilet paper. Once inside, it was not crowded at all, and no other items were in short supply, other than what was listed on the board.
I went again this week and it was different. Loooong line to get in (still only took me about 15 minutes). The white board noted that, in addition to the items from the previous week, they were currently out of toilet paper and rotisserie chicken. It seemed the store was way more crowded. I think they metered in too many people because of the long line outside. It was uncomfortably crowded.
Both times, I went on a weekday afternoon (I had heard the mornings were more crowded).
A few things to note: Don't be too intimidated by a long line outside. It looks worse than it is because people are standing 6 feet apart, and it moves quickly. Don't grab a cart in the parking lot...they are wiping down carts as they hand them to each individual entering customer. They are requesting that no more than 2 people per membership enter the store (leave the kids at home if you can). Checkout lanes were good...no lines as they had enough of them open. That's been my experience anyway...it might be different in other cities.
Good to know. I haven't tried to do Costco (I find Costco overwhelming when there's not a novel virus), but I have been discouraged about dealing with the lines at other stores, and maybe I am being silly.2 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
On top of people wanting to stock up on a product for which there is no good substitute particularly if you don't want to incur massive plumbing bills, there is the increased actual consumption of consumer-packaged toilet paper because instead of spending 1/3 to 1/2 of their waking hours at home, most people are now spending nearly 100% of their waking hours at home. They're not using bathrooms at their workplace, their school, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. And factories that produce toilet paper for public restrooms (massive rolls and/or lower grade, single-ply toilet paper) can't easily change either their production processes or their distribution processes.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I think people take out their thoughts on the wrong people.. which is unfortunate.
In times like that people often hear bad news like that and are instantly overcome by the problems they have in their own lives, debt, cost of kids, insurance, etc.. it often leaves people thinking that the burden is solely put on them only and not anyone else in a higher position.
The fear and anger and sudden-ness of the news doesnt leave much room for stopping and wondering if higher ups are also going to have to deal with the same thing.
People also often think that because they make more money they would have it easier, but honestly, people often live on the edge of or outside their means.. and as upper management, Its often deemed inappropriate for them to discuss their pay, their Bill's, their home life with the people they are managing.. I know some do it, but it can often back fire on them also..
So were blind to their struggles and consumed by the problem in front of us, that we criticize them for what's happening and are even more harsh behind their backs..
I'm guilty of it too sometimes.. I'm sorry that you're having to deal with that.
I'm mostly frustrated right now because my proposal has most employees missing the total of a pay check spread across the year, which sucks...but the alternative is just canning people. Do you want a job but you'll miss a paycheck over a year or have no job, no insurance, etc? But apparently that doesn't translate...I can only do one or the other. Hopefully it will all become clear for my peeps over the weekend. I'm quite literally trying to find a way not to have to fire you for something that's not your fault...
I’m curious. Isn’t laying off, a better term? What are the grounds for firing?
Back in 2008, we had to take a 20% pay cut, and a cut back of hours, and some people were laid off. Many people did. Through no fault of our own, because of mismanagement by businesses. Time will tell, but universal health care may become critical during this crisis. Affordable health care is a joke for most people in the US. A friend that has been furloughed during this, will have to pay just under $1600/month for Cobra starting in May. Not many people can afford that.
Yes, I think terminology is important. Here, "fire" is different than "lay off." However "furlough" is often used regardless of fault. "Temporary lay off" is used exclusively in a no-fault situation, but many are using "furlough" in a no fault situation now also despite that furlough has a historical use that can also mean there is potential fault on the employee's side.
I've not been given the option... some employees at my company were temporary layoff and the rest of us had temporary pay cuts. Originally when this was announced, I am losing 2 weeks of pay spread over 90 days. Compared to those laid off for 2 weeks, I am worse off because we lose the same amount of income from the company directly and yet the laid off employees can get some of that back through unemployment. Now, as lay off continues (as does my pay cut), the unemployment amount becomes more relevant. In my state, starting unemployment was so small that even adding $600 per week doesn't replace an entire paycheck for most workers. The extension causes many who were previously laid off the go from a better situation than my pay cut to a worse situation than mine when total situation is considered.
Interesting. Pre coronavirus, I'd only heard furlough in the context of the gov't shut downs and furloughs of non essential gov't workers.
Here's a good piece on it: https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/what-is-a-furlough.html
In my field, one is either laid off (due to the economy being bad) or fired (usually because you were not sufficiently successful at your job, which doesn't actually mean for cause). However, usually they frame even firings as layoffs and give you time to find a new position unless you truly did something egregious.
Looks like furloughs retain health insurance, which is pretty important.
From the piece:
"a furlough is an employer-mandated, temporary unpaid leave from work, which employers typically resort to as a cost-saving measure. Both public and private employees can be placed on furlough. (Government employees are often put on furlough during shutdowns.) But the specific terms of a furlough depend on where you work. You can be furloughed for as short a time as a few weeks, or as long as months. During this leave, you’ll likely retain your health-insurance benefits, though that’s not guaranteed.
If you are furloughed, you technically retain your job, whereas if you’re laid off, you are no longer employed at your job. However, furloughed workers still typically qualify for unemployment benefits, which have expanded under the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package."
So far my company has not laid off anyone. Most of the lawyers can work fully (or close to it) during the stay at home period, but the concern is that clients won't or will be unable to pay on time. Some support staff has been able to work, some has not (like the receptionist), but we are keeping them on the payroll with the hope that the Paycheck Protection Program will support that. The main concern is no layoffs if at all possible, and also keeping people working as much as possible.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Me neither, but there still isn't any where I live. Still as best as I can tell, stores will be able to get some in late May.
Plenty where I live although amount one can purchase is limited.0 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
I saw a news piece from Australia where someone tried to return 150 large (over 30 rolls each) packages of TP to the store because they couldn't sell it for huge profits like they expected.4 -
I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol4 -
This is the week I run out of both tp and paper towels, none here. I have a friend who runs a restaurant who can get me a big roll of 1 ply, but I’ve been hoping I wouldn’t have to resort to that. Just going to have to do without paper towels, I have some rags I guess I can wash.5
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amusedmonkey wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »So when they open these areas up in the places with no cases, would they stop people from traveling to them to shop? I would be worried that an asymptomatic person would go shopping and accidentally create cases in a city trying to open.
They will be closed off. No one is allowed in or out.
How does that work? Do you have that many government officials that they can stop people at every road? In the U.S. people would just go anyway. But then the amount of tom-foolery-you're-not-the-boss-of-me going on here cannot be over-stated.
The army forces are involved. It's a small country so the number of provinces is small (12), and each province has limited points of entry by car. Currently, only people with permits are allowed to drive, and even fewer have permits to drive between provinces. A close off means even stricter rules for entry.
With all known cases currently quarantined in hospitals, and all buildings/streets that had several cases quarantined off by the army to anticipate any potential silent cases, the risk is there, but smaller. Things are under control, for now, but if some undiscovered pockets emerge, they'll hopefully be localized to an area because of driving restrictions. Some people do break the rules, but the fear of temporarily losing their car keeps many people within a few kilometers of their house.
ETA:
We've had a scary case of someone whose brother father has the virus and was ordered to home quarantine, but it wasn't a hot spot, so his area wasn't under mandatory quarantine. He worked at a pharmacy, so he also has a permit to use his car. He broke quarantine and kept going to work, so yeah, mistakes do happen. We may see an uptick in a week or two because of it, but I hope it won't cause things to spiral out of control.
Another was a case whose brother was sick and order to home quarantine, but he kept going to work (selling vegetables).
The next 2 weeks will reveal if we lose control or not.
Yes. These are the reasons more places are introducing mandatory lockdowns.
We are under mandatory lockdown and most businesses and services are closed (although this is changing, more and more businesses and services are allowed to open with 30% personnel and/or delivery only). These cases can't be avoided because... people. They have also introduced much higher fines for those who break home quarantine orders because of the cases above.
If you're suspected to have been in close contact you're tested. If positive you're taken to hospital, if negative you're ordered to home quarantine. It means you're ordered to not leave your house for 2 weeks for any reason (if it's an emergency you call 911 and they handle it), then tested again 2 weeks later. People will be people and someone will always find ways to break the rules. You can't really have a guard at the door of everyone who is suspected to have had close contact. If it's a hot spot, they do post guards in front of buildings or close off a couple of street sections, but you can't really do that for several thousands of individual cases.8 -
Am I the only one who is getting seriously sick of the Covid-19 themed ads all over TV? It was OK at first, but with every other ad constantly reminding me that "we are all in this together" ..."during these challenging times" and that "your health and safety is our top priority" etc., etc., etc. it's way past old. Stop reminding me every two seconds that I'm trapped in this awful pandemic! It was kinda thoughtful at first, but now it's just getting depressing...I'm starting to dislike these companies. It's literally 2-3 ads like this at every commercial break. Overdone. Ugh.14
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New Zealand had it's announcement on moving from Level 4 to Level 3 (which is a slight loosening of our quite strict lockdown rules) this afternoon. We were originally scheduled to come out of Level 4 this coming Thursday at the earliest. Level 3 comes in on Tuesday week, which gives an additional five days of hard core lockdown to really solidify the low transmission/new case numbers, and also means that those businesses that can resume are doing so at the start of the work week (Monday is a public holiday for ANZAC Day).
People who are able to work from home must continue to do so, retail, bars, cafes, restaurants etc remain physically closed to the public, but any of them who can trade without physical interaction with the public are able to (so, all online shopping can resume - previously only essential goods were available/able to be delivered, restaurants can do delivery or contactless pick up, etc), early childhood centres and school for up to Year 10 is available for those who need it (ie parents going back to work with no other options for childcare), strict requirements for distancing and hygiene in place for any operational businesses, we can venture a little further afield for recreation/exercise but still expected to be at home the majority of the time if not working away from home.
ETA: NZ is in really good shape, our number of new daily cases is down to single digits (actually oscillating between high single and low to mid teens), our number of recovered cases is nearly double the number of active (which sits at 454 as of this morning).
I'd have liked to see Level 4 continued for an additional week longer (and coming out of it on May the 4th would have just been cool), but I think so long as people get the message that Level 3 is not a licence to go out and start socialising, we'll be fine.11 -
Things may tighten around here. We went from 4 cases 10 days ago to 62 positive cases today with 40+ from one nursing home.4
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@galehawkins, had to look and see if you were from Oklahoma. We had numbers something like that. They tested people who had symptoms in one nursing home, 20 positive, so they tested everyone. Some of the results came in the next day, brought it to over 40. I forgot to check the next day for the total.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand had it's announcement on moving from Level 4 to Level 3 (which is a slight loosening of our quite strict lockdown rules) this afternoon. We were originally scheduled to come out of Level 4 this coming Thursday at the earliest. Level 3 comes in on Tuesday week, which gives an additional five days of hard core lockdown to really solidify the low transmission/new case numbers, and also means that those businesses that can resume are doing so at the start of the work week (Monday is a public holiday for ANZAC Day).
People who are able to work from home must continue to do so, retail, bars, cafes, restaurants etc remain physically closed to the public, but any of them who can trade without physical interaction with the public are able to (so, all online shopping can resume - previously only essential goods were available/able to be delivered, restaurants can do delivery or contactless pick up, etc), early childhood centres and school for up to Year 10 is available for those who need it (ie parents going back to work with no other options for childcare), strict requirements for distancing and hygiene in place for any operational businesses, we can venture a little further afield for recreation/exercise but still expected to be at home the majority of the time if not working away from home.
ETA: NZ is in really good shape, our number of new daily cases is down to single digits (actually oscillating between high single and low to mid teens), our number of recovered cases is nearly double the number of active (which sits at 454 as of this morning).
I'd have liked to see Level 4 continued for an additional week longer (and coming out of it on May the 4th would have just been cool), but I think so long as people get the message that Level 3 is not a licence to go out and start socialising, we'll be fine.
Will there be much difference for you at L3, Nony_Mouse?
Personally, it will be more of the same here - working at home, kids schooling at home. Only going out for groceries and dog walks. I am missing my small gym, but it will be at least level 2 before that reopens.
DH may be able to go back to some work, but not in a huge rush - will have to judge each job situation (he's a sparky, so "can" work at lvl 3). We do have a couple of jobs in hold that are perfect - eg empty floor of office building, would only be DH and one other co-worker on site.
I was watching the start of today's announcement and was quite convinced it was going to be extended at least another week, not just a few days.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand had it's announcement on moving from Level 4 to Level 3 (which is a slight loosening of our quite strict lockdown rules) this afternoon. We were originally scheduled to come out of Level 4 this coming Thursday at the earliest. Level 3 comes in on Tuesday week, which gives an additional five days of hard core lockdown to really solidify the low transmission/new case numbers, and also means that those businesses that can resume are doing so at the start of the work week (Monday is a public holiday for ANZAC Day).
People who are able to work from home must continue to do so, retail, bars, cafes, restaurants etc remain physically closed to the public, but any of them who can trade without physical interaction with the public are able to (so, all online shopping can resume - previously only essential goods were available/able to be delivered, restaurants can do delivery or contactless pick up, etc), early childhood centres and school for up to Year 10 is available for those who need it (ie parents going back to work with no other options for childcare), strict requirements for distancing and hygiene in place for any operational businesses, we can venture a little further afield for recreation/exercise but still expected to be at home the majority of the time if not working away from home.
ETA: NZ is in really good shape, our number of new daily cases is down to single digits (actually oscillating between high single and low to mid teens), our number of recovered cases is nearly double the number of active (which sits at 454 as of this morning).
I'd have liked to see Level 4 continued for an additional week longer (and coming out of it on May the 4th would have just been cool), but I think so long as people get the message that Level 3 is not a licence to go out and start socialising, we'll be fine.
Will there be much difference for you at L3, Nony_Mouse?
Personally, it will be more of the same here - working at home, kids schooling at home. Only going out for groceries and dog walks. I am missing my small gym, but it will be at least level 2 before that reopens.
DH may be able to go back to some work, but not in a huge rush - will have to judge each job situation (he's a sparky, so "can" work at lvl 3). We do have a couple of jobs in hold that are perfect - eg empty floor of office building, would only be DH and one other co-worker on site.
I was watching the start of today's announcement and was quite convinced it was going to be extended at least another week, not just a few days.
Not really much different. I have been working from home, and could continue, but it's not ideal. The compound where my 'lab' is, is infrastructure construction-based (roading, etc) and will be operational, so I can slip in under that and go back to working there. It's very low risk, as not many people actually based there. I share my portacom office with one other, and we're at opposite ends (well over two metres apart!). May be some roadworks crew coming and going at breaks. I'm in a bubble of one, and due to illness spent much of last year in that bubble too, so some of going back is actually mental health.
I figured we'd at least be extending to the Tuesday, because restarting so late in the week and right before a long weekend is a bit dumb, given that it makes crap all difference in economic terms, but potentially quite a lot in health terms.4 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
I saw a news piece from Australia where someone tried to return 150 large (over 30 rolls each) packages of TP to the store because they couldn't sell it for huge profits like they expected.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/supermarket-bosss-blunt-reply-to-toilet-paper-hoarder-wanting-refund/news-story/985cc7022ce371a71b7d86c3031e2ce5
Embarassingly, this is in state of Australia where I live
person bought nearly 5000 rolls of TP and 150 bottles of hand sanitiser - Ebay refused to let him sell on there and supermarket refused a refund.
Greedy and selfish - there have been limits of 1 pack per transaction for many weeks - but he deliberately flaunted that by shopping multiple times, at multiple locations with the sole purpose of profitteering at other peoples expense.
Serves him right that it has backfired.
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
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A school buddy of the hubby posted this: "I feel like a teenager again. My hair is long, gasoline is cheap, and I'm grounded."25
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This is me, especially since moving to our current area... the closest Costco, even though it’s not a major city or anything, is always a madhouse!! We ventured out for takeout this past Tuesday for my daughter’s bday and drove by on a whim, just to see. They are closing early (I thought 6, but actually 6:30) so I ran through the last 15 minutes they were open. The store was almost empty! They had the dry erase board with their list of unavailable items, but most everything I went in for I found. Even snagged the last gallon of milk and last pack of a particular cheese the kids were wanting. Check out had the partitions and marks on the floor for waiting in line. The lines are normally backed up the aisles so I can’t imagine what it looks like on a “normal” day right now...SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Has anyone been to Costco recently? I know when the Safer at Home order first came down, Costco was reportedly a nightmare. I'm thinking to go there next week, probably looking for canned tuna and a few other things I like to buy in bulk. Has anyone braved it lately? In your town, have the lines outside and the supplies inside normalized like they have at the grocery store?
I've been to Costco a few times and had different experiences:
The week before last, there were only a few people waiting in line outside. They had a white board at the door listing what was out of stock....a relatively short list, just disinfectants, gloves, hand sanitizer, and dried beans. They had toilet paper. Once inside, it was not crowded at all, and no other items were in short supply, other than what was listed on the board.
I went again this week and it was different. Loooong line to get in (still only took me about 15 minutes). The white board noted that, in addition to the items from the previous week, they were currently out of toilet paper and rotisserie chicken. It seemed the store was way more crowded. I think they metered in too many people because of the long line outside. It was uncomfortably crowded.
Both times, I went on a weekday afternoon (I had heard the mornings were more crowded).
A few things to note: Don't be too intimidated by a long line outside. It looks worse than it is because people are standing 6 feet apart, and it moves quickly. Don't grab a cart in the parking lot...they are wiping down carts as they hand them to each individual entering customer. They are requesting that no more than 2 people per membership enter the store (leave the kids at home if you can). Checkout lanes were good...no lines as they had enough of them open. That's been my experience anyway...it might be different in other cities.
Good to know. I haven't tried to do Costco (I find Costco overwhelming when there's not a novel virus), but I have been discouraged about dealing with the lines at other stores, and maybe I am being silly.
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
To be fair, PP didn't say where she "heard" it, could have just been so-and-so said they heard such-and-such. Also, I believe that kshama2000 said that the particular type of toilet paper she prefers is produced in China, or something along those lines, earlier in the thread - so something like that could easily become "toilet paper is going to be scarce because it's produced in China" via repeated communications about what people "heard."4 -
There has been so much covid stuff going around.. I have a hard time remembering where I heard what from to be honest with you.. but to be fair I wanna say, I heard it second hand from someone who paraphrased the info like i did and have no idea where it originally started.4
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I think the Proctor and Gamble news release was the whole reason for this thread....look at the OP, "supply chain" problems etc.2
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Maybe a little, but it is a phenomenon noticed anywhere a major weather event is predicted, and has been at least since I was a kid in the 60's. I live in the frozen north so we get several major snowstorms each winter. If one is predicted to be enough to close schools and businesses, people run out to the store and stock up on eggs, bread, milk, and toilet paper. Logic doesn't figure in to it. We have plenty of plows and the major streets are typically passable within hours of the end of the snowfall so most people are not stuck at home for more than 2 days. Even so, they have a deep seated need to buy huge quantities of TP.
The problem with the current quarantine hoarding is not that it is a new thing, it is that it was a nationwide thing. What is typically a short term regional phenomenon became a global one because of the global nature of the pandemic as opposed to a regional snowstorm (or hurricane for those in SE United States where TP hoarding also happens when a hurricane is predicted).6
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