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We had this published march 12th
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-plenty-of-toilet-paper-to-go-around-canadas-biggest-producer-kruger/
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This is what they've started doing for the nursing home here that's being hit hard
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-covid-19-update-sunday-april-19-1.55377290 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I think people take out their thoughts on the wrong people.. which is unfortunate.
In times like that people often hear bad news like that and are instantly overcome by the problems they have in their own lives, debt, cost of kids, insurance, etc.. it often leaves people thinking that the burden is solely put on them only and not anyone else in a higher position.
The fear and anger and sudden-ness of the news doesnt leave much room for stopping and wondering if higher ups are also going to have to deal with the same thing.
People also often think that because they make more money they would have it easier, but honestly, people often live on the edge of or outside their means.. and as upper management, Its often deemed inappropriate for them to discuss their pay, their Bill's, their home life with the people they are managing.. I know some do it, but it can often back fire on them also..
So were blind to their struggles and consumed by the problem in front of us, that we criticize them for what's happening and are even more harsh behind their backs..
I'm guilty of it too sometimes.. I'm sorry that you're having to deal with that.
I'm mostly frustrated right now because my proposal has most employees missing the total of a pay check spread across the year, which sucks...but the alternative is just canning people. Do you want a job but you'll miss a paycheck over a year or have no job, no insurance, etc? But apparently that doesn't translate...I can only do one or the other. Hopefully it will all become clear for my peeps over the weekend. I'm quite literally trying to find a way not to have to fire you for something that's not your fault...
I’m curious. Isn’t laying off, a better term? What are the grounds for firing?
Back in 2008, we had to take a 20% pay cut, and a cut back of hours, and some people were laid off. Many people did. Through no fault of our own, because of mismanagement by businesses. Time will tell, but universal health care may become critical during this crisis. Affordable health care is a joke for most people in the US. A friend that has been furloughed during this, will have to pay just under $1600/month for Cobra starting in May. Not many people can afford that.
Yes, I think terminology is important. Here, "fire" is different than "lay off." However "furlough" is often used regardless of fault. "Temporary lay off" is used exclusively in a no-fault situation, but many are using "furlough" in a no fault situation now also despite that furlough has a historical use that can also mean there is potential fault on the employee's side.
I've not been given the option... some employees at my company were temporary layoff and the rest of us had temporary pay cuts. Originally when this was announced, I am losing 2 weeks of pay spread over 90 days. Compared to those laid off for 2 weeks, I am worse off because we lose the same amount of income from the company directly and yet the laid off employees can get some of that back through unemployment. Now, as lay off continues (as does my pay cut), the unemployment amount becomes more relevant. In my state, starting unemployment was so small that even adding $600 per week doesn't replace an entire paycheck for most workers. The extension causes many who were previously laid off the go from a better situation than my pay cut to a worse situation than mine when total situation is considered.
Interesting. Pre coronavirus, I'd only heard furlough in the context of the gov't shut downs and furloughs of non essential gov't workers.
Here's a good piece on it: https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/what-is-a-furlough.html
In my field, one is either laid off (due to the economy being bad) or fired (usually because you were not sufficiently successful at your job, which doesn't actually mean for cause). However, usually they frame even firings as layoffs and give you time to find a new position unless you truly did something egregious.
Looks like furloughs retain health insurance, which is pretty important.
From the piece:
"a furlough is an employer-mandated, temporary unpaid leave from work, which employers typically resort to as a cost-saving measure. Both public and private employees can be placed on furlough. (Government employees are often put on furlough during shutdowns.) But the specific terms of a furlough depend on where you work. You can be furloughed for as short a time as a few weeks, or as long as months. During this leave, you’ll likely retain your health-insurance benefits, though that’s not guaranteed.
If you are furloughed, you technically retain your job, whereas if you’re laid off, you are no longer employed at your job. However, furloughed workers still typically qualify for unemployment benefits, which have expanded under the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package."
So far my company has not laid off anyone. Most of the lawyers can work fully (or close to it) during the stay at home period, but the concern is that clients won't or will be unable to pay on time. Some support staff has been able to work, some has not (like the receptionist), but we are keeping them on the payroll with the hope that the Paycheck Protection Program will support that. The main concern is no layoffs if at all possible, and also keeping people working as much as possible.
I have heard furlough in a no fault context in the past as well with government shut downs. But I have also heard "furlough" used in more individual cases where there is an investigation before a person will actually be fired if the investigation finds wrongdoing. Also, I have heard "administrative leave" is used in such scenario, though often that indicates they are still being paid until the investigation concludes whereas "furlough" would be unpaid during that same time.1 -
I guess dr oz. Is feeding people a bunch of bull like he always does about a covid vaccine8
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Me neither, but there still isn't any where I live. Still as best as I can tell, stores will be able to get some in late May.
Plenty where I live although amount one can purchase is limited.
Last I bought any was more than a month ago. The limit then was 4 packages, but could be any size package. Since then, I have seen the limit decreased to 2 and the sign said 1 package limit when I was there on Sat. But there is none available anyway, so not sure why they bother to change the limit unless it is just so customers are used to seeing a 1 each limit when it is available again.
At the time I bought last. Mar. 13, the shelves were nearly empty and limit was 4 each. I bought 2 of the smallest packages (4 regular / small rolls) of the store brand because the shelves already looked so bare and I felt bad about buying any more than that. In hindsight, I would have bought 4 of the big 24 double rolls if I had known how long it would be before more was available.
What really irks me about the situation is that I see people on social media wasting TP to make creative videos and such. The people who make those videos are likely the same people who bought out all the stores early on and now are discovering they have more than they will ever use, so are wasting it for fun.6 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Not really. From the beginning, what I heard on the major network news and local news was that if everyone would just stop hoarding the stores would be able to get stocked back up. I think the psychological explanation on why TP was an item people decided to stock up on, coupled with typical supply simply not being enough for every person in the country buying extra TP at the same time, coupled with rumors from my neighbor Bob whose wife works in the sheriff's office with a guy whose brother works for a local supermarket, coupled with people seeing other people with carts full of TP and getting FOMO, had far more to do with it.
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Central VA is still seeing reasonable increases in cases and my health district (which includes Charlottesville) is still under 10 deaths attributed. The last I heard the entire state is up to 300 deaths. It looks like case numbers/hospitalizations are starting to increase now in some of the more rural, sparsely populated states.
It seems there are several drugs now being given to critical patients that are showing promise, and that they are focusing more on the inflammation now as the easiest means to medicate it. If they could at least come up with a handful of treatments that have a good chance of keeping people who become critical from needing a ventilator or dying, and we get over the peak, maybe everyone will have a little wiggle room. Won't help all the people who never make it to the hospital, but at least it's something.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Me neither, but there still isn't any where I live. Still as best as I can tell, stores will be able to get some in late May.
Plenty where I live although amount one can purchase is limited.
Last I bought any was more than a month ago. The limit then was 4 packages, but could be any size package. Since then, I have seen the limit decreased to 2 and the sign said 1 package limit when I was there on Sat. But there is none available anyway, so not sure why they bother to change the limit unless it is just so customers are used to seeing a 1 each limit when it is available again.
I bought some on Thursday, and I went after 6 pm. The shelves weren't full, but there was plenty available of both 12 roll, 9 roll, and 6 roll sizes (this grocery store doesn't have the mega sizes even normally, and I may have had some 18, I didn't look that carefully as I was walking and wasn't going to carry anything huge). You were limited to 2 packages, which seemed reasonable to me.
The last time I'd bought any at a grocery store was the weekend of March 14, and again while the supply was down it was available (this other time was at a WF). I have heard reports that during the first part of the stay at home (3/20 is when it was announced) and a few days leading up to it that many local grocery stores were out of TP or running out first thing in the morning, but based on my Nextdoor it has been available at my grocery store and some others pretty consistently since then.
Even when it was hard to find in the grocery store I checked on it at my closest 7-11 and one other and they both had supplies. My guess is that it's been harder to find in the biggest supermarkets and bulk buy type places like Costco and Target than some other kinds of places.3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »@galehawkins, had to look and see if you were from Oklahoma. We had numbers something like that. They tested people who had symptoms in one nursing home, 20 positive, so they tested everyone. Some of the results came in the next day, brought it to over 40. I forgot to check the next day for the total.
With the number of people who never show any outward symptoms being in the 50-75% range and only testing people with clear symptoms means many of us can be spreaders I we leave the house without even knowing it. Sadly the nursing homes are really adding to the death count. Not sure what state but this morning a guy was telling about a rural nursing home case and one 98 year old lady recovered. The doctors know so much more about how to treat COVID-19 than they did 30 days ago and is why flatting the curve is working so well. Hopefully people will give us another 30 days.
https://wpsdlocal6.com/news/12-new-covid-19-cases-related-to-nursing-home-in-graves-county/article_63f37f9e-8276-11ea-8992-cfa8f5aaadb3.html3 -
My local small grocery store and Walmart both had TP this weekend. First time I'd seen any on the shelves since mid-March (not to say it hasn't been there and just sold out quickly). I didn't buy any because we don't need any, and unneeded buying is part of what got us into this mess to begin with.5
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Not really. From the beginning, what I heard on the major network news and local news was that if everyone would just stop hoarding the stores would be able to get stocked back up. I think the psychological explanation on why TP was an item people decided to stock up on, coupled with typical supply simply not being enough for every person in the country buying extra TP at the same time, coupled with rumors from my neighbor Bob whose wife works in the sheriff's office with a guy whose brother works for a local supermarket, coupled with people seeing other people with carts full of TP and getting FOMO, had far more to do with it.
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Central VA is still seeing reasonable increases in cases and my health district (which includes Charlottesville) is still under 10 deaths attributed. The last I heard the entire state is up to 300 deaths. It looks like case numbers/hospitalizations are starting to increase now in some of the more rural, sparsely populated states.
It seems there are several drugs now being given to critical patients that are showing promise, and that they are focusing more on the inflammation now as the easiest means to medicate it. If they could at least come up with a handful of treatments that have a good chance of keeping people who become critical from needing a ventilator or dying, and we get over the peak, maybe everyone will have a little wiggle room. Won't help all the people who never make it to the hospital, but at least it's something.
Or from needing dialysis or the in-patient equivalent, as apparently some places (e.g., New York) are seeing a lot of covid patients with kidney failure, and don't have enough equipment to go around for treating that.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Not really. From the beginning, what I heard on the major network news and local news was that if everyone would just stop hoarding the stores would be able to get stocked back up. I think the psychological explanation on why TP was an item people decided to stock up on, coupled with typical supply simply not being enough for every person in the country buying extra TP at the same time, coupled with rumors from my neighbor Bob whose wife works in the sheriff's office with a guy whose brother works for a local supermarket, coupled with people seeing other people with carts full of TP and getting FOMO, had far more to do with it.
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Central VA is still seeing reasonable increases in cases and my health district (which includes Charlottesville) is still under 10 deaths attributed. The last I heard the entire state is up to 300 deaths. It looks like case numbers/hospitalizations are starting to increase now in some of the more rural, sparsely populated states.
It seems there are several drugs now being given to critical patients that are showing promise, and that they are focusing more on the inflammation now as the easiest means to medicate it. If they could at least come up with a handful of treatments that have a good chance of keeping people who become critical from needing a ventilator or dying, and we get over the peak, maybe everyone will have a little wiggle room. Won't help all the people who never make it to the hospital, but at least it's something.
Or from needing dialysis or the in-patient equivalent, as apparently some places (e.g., New York) are seeing a lot of covid patients with kidney failure, and don't have enough equipment to go around for treating that.
Yes, I just saw a story on that! There's still so much about this thing we have to figure out.0 -
via The_Movie_Chair's post:
WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT …
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it’s not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.
For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.
For some that live alone, they’re facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.
With the $600 weekly increase in unemployment, some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.
Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.
Some want to go back to work because they don’t qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.
Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.
Some have experienced the near-death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don’t believe this is a big deal.
Some have faith in God and expect miracles during 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.
So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.
Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.
We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.
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Interesting story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/oil-barrel-below-zero/0
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IL hospitalizations up 7% over 5 days ago (total of 4,599 yesterday), which in context seems like pretty good news vs. possible alternatives. 1239 are in the ICU. Apparently projections in mid March said that absent the stay at home order we would have exceeded existing hospital capacity by 25,000 beds by April 6. (As of now the share of ICU beds occupied by COVID-19 patients has dropped from about 43% of 2,700 beds on April 6 to about 40% of 3,100 beds on Sunday (showing an increase in the number of beds, of course).) We've also started using the overflow beds at McCormick Place, as some hospitals are out of beds for non ICU patients, although many are not.
We are at a total of 31,508 known infections, and 1,349 deaths (with Chicago at 13,013 and 514). Chicago may well jump up even more in known cases in the next few days or so, as they are trying to ramp up testing on the south and west sides, although deaths have disproportionately come from there, so that may actually improve the death % numbers.4 -
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I just read on the news that "adult" street workers are mad because the government wont support them with the emergency relief money.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Congrats on snagging some toilet paper.
What's the big deal with the toilet paper purchases?? I haven't been able to figure it out.
Me neither, but there still isn't any where I live. Still as best as I can tell, stores will be able to get some in late May.
Plenty where I live although amount one can purchase is limited.
Last I bought any was more than a month ago. The limit then was 4 packages, but could be any size package. Since then, I have seen the limit decreased to 2 and the sign said 1 package limit when I was there on Sat. But there is none available anyway, so not sure why they bother to change the limit unless it is just so customers are used to seeing a 1 each limit when it is available again.
I bought some on Thursday, and I went after 6 pm. The shelves weren't full, but there was plenty available of both 12 roll, 9 roll, and 6 roll sizes (this grocery store doesn't have the mega sizes even normally, and I may have had some 18, I didn't look that carefully as I was walking and wasn't going to carry anything huge). You were limited to 2 packages, which seemed reasonable to me.
The last time I'd bought any at a grocery store was the weekend of March 14, and again while the supply was down it was available (this other time was at a WF). I have heard reports that during the first part of the stay at home (3/20 is when it was announced) and a few days leading up to it that many local grocery stores were out of TP or running out first thing in the morning, but based on my Nextdoor it has been available at my grocery store and some others pretty consistently since then.
Even when it was hard to find in the grocery store I checked on it at my closest 7-11 and one other and they both had supplies. My guess is that it's been harder to find in the biggest supermarkets and bulk buy type places like Costco and Target than some other kinds of places.
The only place I haven't checked here is Wal-Mart. Otherwise, 1 grocery store (small independent store) and Dollar General here are still out; 3 grocery stores, CVS, and Walgreens in nearby city are still out.0 -
missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I think people take out their thoughts on the wrong people.. which is unfortunate.
In times like that people often hear bad news like that and are instantly overcome by the problems they have in their own lives, debt, cost of kids, insurance, etc.. it often leaves people thinking that the burden is solely put on them only and not anyone else in a higher position.
The fear and anger and sudden-ness of the news doesnt leave much room for stopping and wondering if higher ups are also going to have to deal with the same thing.
People also often think that because they make more money they would have it easier, but honestly, people often live on the edge of or outside their means.. and as upper management, Its often deemed inappropriate for them to discuss their pay, their Bill's, their home life with the people they are managing.. I know some do it, but it can often back fire on them also..
So were blind to their struggles and consumed by the problem in front of us, that we criticize them for what's happening and are even more harsh behind their backs..
I'm guilty of it too sometimes.. I'm sorry that you're having to deal with that.
I'm mostly frustrated right now because my proposal has most employees missing the total of a pay check spread across the year, which sucks...but the alternative is just canning people. Do you want a job but you'll miss a paycheck over a year or have no job, no insurance, etc? But apparently that doesn't translate...I can only do one or the other. Hopefully it will all become clear for my peeps over the weekend. I'm quite literally trying to find a way not to have to fire you for something that's not your fault...
I’m curious. Isn’t laying off, a better term? What are the grounds for firing?
Back in 2008, we had to take a 20% pay cut, and a cut back of hours, and some people were laid off. Many people did. Through no fault of our own, because of mismanagement by businesses. Time will tell, but universal health care may become critical during this crisis. Affordable health care is a joke for most people in the US. A friend that has been furloughed during this, will have to pay just under $1600/month for Cobra starting in May. Not many people can afford that.
Sure...whatever makes someone feel good. These aren't things I'm saying to my employees, this is in my head to computer screen..to me there is no difference between "fired" "laid off" "terminated", etc. These are just semantics...bottom line is people are without jobs. I was "laid off" in 2008 with the financial crisis...I personally didn't give a *kitten* what anyone called it. I'm not in HR, I'm in accounting...HR might lay down a little sugar, but it's still all the same *kitten* thing....you're done. I would rather furlough hours throughout the year than terminate positions which was my entire point...wanna job with a little less money or no job? Also, if we furlough they can keep their health care benefits, which is pretty important. IDK about the importance of universal HC after this...I've always thought it important, but politics...I'm not sure much will actually change with this.
ETA: who knows...maybe HR will come out with some new termination term like "corona relief"...does that really change anything?
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The term used means nothing it all means the same thing- No way to pay bills next month a lot of job hunting if your savings get too low settling in a bad job just to not go under. I had 1 good boss let me know they were closing told us all to start job hunting.They stayed open until the last 2 employee were left they had a job lined up for them both. I managed to get the next job without loosing my savings deeply grateful to them forever. Sad part is now all these years later their a nonessential Buisness so sure their taking a big hit.
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I have a question for the Europeans - or anybody who follows Europe closely: do you know why Belgium has such a high death rate? As a percentage of population, the death rate in Belgium is the highest in the world (504 per million people). Is it a function of their health care system? Density? Did they not shut down when the other countries did? There was a lot on the news about Italy and Spain a few weeks ago, but nothing about Belgium.1
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »I have a question for the Europeans - or anybody who follows Europe closely: do you know why Belgium has such a high death rate? As a percentage of population, the death rate in Belgium is the highest in the world (504 per million people). Is it a function of their health care system? Density? Did they not shut down when the other countries did? There was a lot on the news about Italy and Spain a few weeks ago, but nothing about Belgium.
Quite a few news outlets have reported that Belgium, unlike other other countries, counts unconfirmed deaths that look like Covid-19 deaths as Covid-19 deaths. In most other countries, if there was no Covid-19 test done, the death doesn't count as Covid-19, no matter how much it fits the symptoms and disease course.5 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Maybe a little, but it is a phenomenon noticed anywhere a major weather event is predicted, and has been at least since I was a kid in the 60's. I live in the frozen north so we get several major snowstorms each winter. If one is predicted to be enough to close schools and businesses, people run out to the store and stock up on eggs, bread, milk, and toilet paper. Logic doesn't figure in to it. We have plenty of plows and the major streets are typically passable within hours of the end of the snowfall so most people are not stuck at home for more than 2 days. Even so, they have a deep seated need to buy huge quantities of TP.
The problem with the current quarantine hoarding is not that it is a new thing, it is that it was a nationwide thing. What is typically a short term regional phenomenon became a global one because of the global nature of the pandemic as opposed to a regional snowstorm (or hurricane for those in SE United States where TP hoarding also happens when a hurricane is predicted).
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand had it's announcement on moving from Level 4 to Level 3 (which is a slight loosening of our quite strict lockdown rules) this afternoon. We were originally scheduled to come out of Level 4 this coming Thursday at the earliest. Level 3 comes in on Tuesday week, which gives an additional five days of hard core lockdown to really solidify the low transmission/new case numbers, and also means that those businesses that can resume are doing so at the start of the work week (Monday is a public holiday for ANZAC Day).
People who are able to work from home must continue to do so, retail, bars, cafes, restaurants etc remain physically closed to the public, but any of them who can trade without physical interaction with the public are able to (so, all online shopping can resume - previously only essential goods were available/able to be delivered, restaurants can do delivery or contactless pick up, etc), early childhood centres and school for up to Year 10 is available for those who need it (ie parents going back to work with no other options for childcare), strict requirements for distancing and hygiene in place for any operational businesses, we can venture a little further afield for recreation/exercise but still expected to be at home the majority of the time if not working away from home.
ETA: NZ is in really good shape, our number of new daily cases is down to single digits (actually oscillating between high single and low to mid teens), our number of recovered cases is nearly double the number of active (which sits at 454 as of this morning).
I'd have liked to see Level 4 continued for an additional week longer (and coming out of it on May the 4th would have just been cool), but I think so long as people get the message that Level 3 is not a licence to go out and start socialising, we'll be fine.
It will be interesting to see how Australia rolls back restrictions now that NZ have started. I know we are a ways behind, and that it will vary from state to state when it does.
Schools are open here for children of essential workers and others are learning remotely at home. Do you know what the reasoning is for NZ schools to open only for students up to Year 10? Just curious as I work in education management (Aus) and this hasn't been something I've heard discussed here.0 -
smithker75 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »New Zealand had it's announcement on moving from Level 4 to Level 3 (which is a slight loosening of our quite strict lockdown rules) this afternoon. We were originally scheduled to come out of Level 4 this coming Thursday at the earliest. Level 3 comes in on Tuesday week, which gives an additional five days of hard core lockdown to really solidify the low transmission/new case numbers, and also means that those businesses that can resume are doing so at the start of the work week (Monday is a public holiday for ANZAC Day).
People who are able to work from home must continue to do so, retail, bars, cafes, restaurants etc remain physically closed to the public, but any of them who can trade without physical interaction with the public are able to (so, all online shopping can resume - previously only essential goods were available/able to be delivered, restaurants can do delivery or contactless pick up, etc), early childhood centres and school for up to Year 10 is available for those who need it (ie parents going back to work with no other options for childcare), strict requirements for distancing and hygiene in place for any operational businesses, we can venture a little further afield for recreation/exercise but still expected to be at home the majority of the time if not working away from home.
ETA: NZ is in really good shape, our number of new daily cases is down to single digits (actually oscillating between high single and low to mid teens), our number of recovered cases is nearly double the number of active (which sits at 454 as of this morning).
I'd have liked to see Level 4 continued for an additional week longer (and coming out of it on May the 4th would have just been cool), but I think so long as people get the message that Level 3 is not a licence to go out and start socialising, we'll be fine.
It will be interesting to see how Australia rolls back restrictions now that NZ have started. I know we are a ways behind, and that it will vary from state to state when it does.
Schools are open here for children of essential workers and others are learning remotely at home. Do you know what the reasoning is for NZ schools to open only for students up to Year 10? Just curious as I work in education management (Aus) and this hasn't been something I've heard discussed here.
The limitation for up to Year 10 is due to the fact that kids over 14 can be legally left home alone here.
We have received notification from my son's high school and daughter's primary school that for the kids attending school (kids of workers who can't work from home) that they will still be receiving the same online programmes as those at home. They will just be in a classroom supervised by a teacher, not actually being taught in person.4 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Maybe a little, but it is a phenomenon noticed anywhere a major weather event is predicted, and has been at least since I was a kid in the 60's. I live in the frozen north so we get several major snowstorms each winter. If one is predicted to be enough to close schools and businesses, people run out to the store and stock up on eggs, bread, milk, and toilet paper. Logic doesn't figure in to it. We have plenty of plows and the major streets are typically passable within hours of the end of the snowfall so most people are not stuck at home for more than 2 days. Even so, they have a deep seated need to buy huge quantities of TP.
The problem with the current quarantine hoarding is not that it is a new thing, it is that it was a nationwide thing. What is typically a short term regional phenomenon became a global one because of the global nature of the pandemic as opposed to a regional snowstorm (or hurricane for those in SE United States where TP hoarding also happens when a hurricane is predicted).
I'm quite familiar with the hurricane shopping phenomenon, but never noticed it to include major toilet paper purchases.
Me, either. I'm in NC, and the threat of snow will empty shelves of bread, milk, and eggs. But I haven't seen it happen with TP here.1 -
Trying very hard to not get political, but I'm extremely disappointed that my state has decided to reopen everything except large venues and amusement parks by the end of next week. Despite all of my friends who work in healthcare saying our death and hospitalization stats are increasing at an alarming rate, the governor says the "numbers are favorable". He promised he wouldn't enter phase one until we had 14 days of a decline in numbers. We were lied to and now so many are at risk.24
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Trying very hard to not get political, but I'm extremely disappointed that my state has decided to reopen everything except large venues and amusement parks by the end of next week. Despite all of my friends who work in healthcare saying our death and hospitalization stats are increasing at an alarming rate, the governor says the "numbers are favorable". He promised he wouldn't enter phase one until we had 14 days of a decline in numbers. We were lied to and now so many are at risk.
I’m in TN and feel the same way. Numbers in my zip code are not under control. I don’t plan to stop social distancing regardless, but it will be harder to run in our no-sidewalks town if everyone is driving around. Plus I kind of like some of my neighbors and would prefer they not all die.
At least our local mayor has us locked down until May 5.16 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Trying very hard to not get political, but I'm extremely disappointed that my state has decided to reopen everything except large venues and amusement parks by the end of next week. Despite all of my friends who work in healthcare saying our death and hospitalization stats are increasing at an alarming rate, the governor says the "numbers are favorable". He promised he wouldn't enter phase one until we had 14 days of a decline in numbers. We were lied to and now so many are at risk.
I’m in TN and feel the same way. Numbers in my zip code are not under control. I don’t plan to stop social distancing regardless, but it will be harder to run in our no-sidewalks town if everyone is driving around. Plus I kind of like some of my neighbors and would prefer they not all die.
At least our local mayor has us locked down until May 5.
Unless someone just denies science completely, I think most will still conduct themselves the same way, with precautions. Only the foolhardy will go out and act like everything is normal. I'm sure there will be an uptick, but I also think that warmer weather might offset some of that.
I'm in Arizona and where just starting to see it out here in prevalence. I'm sure that we will open up by May 1st, when the University of Washington models say that we haven't neared our peak. U of W recommended AZ open up June 1st, not May 1st, so I'm in a similar boat. We plan on picking up food carryout once a week (with a mask), only going out to the grocery store once a week (with masks) and that's it.7 -
In Italy right now new infections are down--Naples-0, Rome-0. Only the North still has some new, but way down. There are now free beds in intensive care. Deaths are also in decline. So, the light at the end of the tunnel is closer.
Lockdown will lift in Rome May 4th. For us, things won't change much, but some stores will be opening. Masks will be mandatory, as they now are in diverse regions of Italy. Some people are selling their gold jewelry (for a fraction of the value) to have money to live on.22 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Trying very hard to not get political, but I'm extremely disappointed that my state has decided to reopen everything except large venues and amusement parks by the end of next week. Despite all of my friends who work in healthcare saying our death and hospitalization stats are increasing at an alarming rate, the governor says the "numbers are favorable". He promised he wouldn't enter phase one until we had 14 days of a decline in numbers. We were lied to and now so many are at risk.
I’m in TN and feel the same way. Numbers in my zip code are not under control. I don’t plan to stop social distancing regardless, but it will be harder to run in our no-sidewalks town if everyone is driving around. Plus I kind of like some of my neighbors and would prefer they not all die.
At least our local mayor has us locked down until May 5.
Our first cases came out of TN (Nashville) area it seems when TN was not on lock down like KY and most other states were at the time. Clearly we do not need to be hit like NYC but if most of us are going to get this corona virus sooner or later getting it in the second wave should be safer due to more Rx options that are being added. I hope the winter of 20-21 season will get this specific virus behind us for the most and that we stay prepared for the next virus. Thankful for the masses most will have COVID-19 and never know it.
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »I heard that there was misinformation spread at first that toilet paper was made mostly in markets like China and that someone claimed that this would make toilet paper hard to obtain, so people went absolutely ballistic trying to buy as much as they could. =/
It even happened here... and we make toilet paper here in this country, it doesnt even come from China lol
Oh!! So it was driven by fake news.
Maybe a little, but it is a phenomenon noticed anywhere a major weather event is predicted, and has been at least since I was a kid in the 60's. I live in the frozen north so we get several major snowstorms each winter. If one is predicted to be enough to close schools and businesses, people run out to the store and stock up on eggs, bread, milk, and toilet paper. Logic doesn't figure in to it. We have plenty of plows and the major streets are typically passable within hours of the end of the snowfall so most people are not stuck at home for more than 2 days. Even so, they have a deep seated need to buy huge quantities of TP.
The problem with the current quarantine hoarding is not that it is a new thing, it is that it was a nationwide thing. What is typically a short term regional phenomenon became a global one because of the global nature of the pandemic as opposed to a regional snowstorm (or hurricane for those in SE United States where TP hoarding also happens when a hurricane is predicted).
I'm quite familiar with the hurricane shopping phenomenon, but never noticed it to include major toilet paper purchases.
People have mentioned it so apparently some have but it is definitely a joke here when snow is predicted because it happens all the time.1
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