Coronavirus prep
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »(snip)
One of the issues people had with the Michigan Governor, as I understand it, is that she made purchasing seeds and plants illegal. I understand the problem of trying to keep people from going out shopping, but now is the time to plant seeds for gardens. Some things can't wait until July. Hiring someone to mow your lawn was also forbidden, which hurts people who can't do it themselves.
Two things:
1. In my understanding (sitting in Michigan, and having actually read the executive orders as well as some analysis, I believe this not to be strictly true. Big box "department" stores, ones that sell a diversity of things including a range of essential ones (groceries, hardware) have been ordered to close access to areas selling certain products (including plants/seeds). This was in response to problems with what amount to recreational shoppers wandering the stores and looking at, maybe buying, all kinds of nonessential items, increasing human contact in various ways by doing so.
Plants and seeds are still available by mail, and in my understanding in some cases from smaller retailers (so far) who are required limit traffic in a different way based on floor space and concurrent customer counts. (I have friends who have bought seeds very recently in these circumstances locally).
2. In most of Michigan, it is not the time of year to plant gardens, in the way that the average person does it. Most people wait to plant until at least the average last frost date, and very many traditionally wait until Memorial Day weekend. Some do start plants indoors, but it's far less common, and some of those who do, are seed-savers.
(I'm in the central mid-Southern part of the state, near Lansing, one of the warmer zones, but not the warmest anywhere statewide. Our average last frost day (50% probability) is somewhere in the May 4-10 range. There are certain things that dedicated gardeners (a minority) would normally plant out now, such as peas and greens. Most casual home gardeners simply don't bother doing that. I know many such gardeners, and used to garden here myself for over a decade, at different times on either the casual or dedicated end of the scale. Some true plant nerds may be troubled, but frankly quite a few of them order seeds by mail from specialty sources anyway, vs. picking them up at Home Depot or Meijer, which tend to specialize in crappy but inexpensive seeds not tailored to our climate.)
Once you filter out the seed savers, and the folks who would've used specialty mail-order sources, the number of people who'd genuinely plant this early is fairly small. I grant that this population is probably larger out-state (such as the farther North, where partial-subsistence gardens are more common), and Covid cases are also less numerous, so a sense of aggrievement in those areas may be more understandable. Those folks may also be more reliant on big-box stores as a source.
Things are difficult and controversial here, and certain people/groups are using partial truths, sometimes even falsehoods, to paint a picture. It's good to be careful. Some people ignore authoritative sources of information, and rely on biased ones. Some people have poor reading comprehension (current interpretation of the executive orders as I understand them requires understanding how major points in an outline-style presentation relate to minor sub-points below them, and perhaps even to how one date's order modifies an earlier one.)
I'm not even 100% confident of my interpretation of the current executive orders, but certain retailers are behaving in line with what I wrote above, and as of when I last looked (couple of days ago) there had been no countering clarification to the executive orders. That may change.
FWIW, and recognizing that some people do still consider it a "MSM biased source", Politifact seems generally to agree with this (above) interpretation of Michigan's current executive orders.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/facebook-posts/covid-order-doesnt-ban-gardening-or-sale-seeds-and/
On the weather front, BTW, and whether it's planting season: Snowed here yesterday (hard, for a while). Snowed again overnight, more in the forecast. It melts, in between, especially if there's sun, but we're still looking at overnight temps in the 20s F, i.e., below freezing, on a lot of days. Today, daytime temp, even with some sun, didn't get up to 40F. More snow in some other parts of the state, compared to here, including snow cover that persists. That won't kill all cool-weather crops, especially if they're covered when most extreme things happen, but I think it supports why I say this isn't planting time for the casual home gardener. It's fussy to cover and uncover things . . . worth it to some, of course.
Tim Alberta (whom I consider slightly right leaning but not pro administration): "That's not to say these are the right measures. Or the wrong ones. (I'm super annoyed I can't buy paint at Home Depot; I'm also skeptical that these guys on my Facebook feed are into gardening. It's 33° right now!) Just some perspective as protesters gather in Lansing today."
More:
"As @justinamash put it, the new guidelines "provide marginal benefits at best, while substantially heightening frustration and resentment." That sums up the feeling. And in talking w/ folks in Lansing, there's real surprise that
@GovWhitmer hasn't listened and scaled it back. 6/
Having spent a day in her office, watching her take calls w/ Michiganders who are suffering & traumatized, I do think it's valuable to understand @GovWhitmer's mindset. Her state is being hammered--the 3rd most deaths in America--and there's no immediate hope on the horizon. 7/
When you've spent the last 3 weeks on the phone day & night hearing horror stories from your constituents -- nurses w/out masks, kids w/out food, doctors racing between rooms to make sure someone's with a patient as they die -- you're prone to taking dramatic measures. 8/"
I'm sympathetic to the gov even though I think Home Depot should be able to sell seeds and plants, and that landscaping should be able to stay open. Good if smaller stores can sell seeds, and ordering isn't easy right now -- I tried and got supply out over and over. But no, I don't really think that's what the protest was about. I think it's more about Whitmer being disliked by the president (apparently they were screaming "lock her up") and rumored as a possible VP choice.5 -
Yeah, I'm in Washington and my governor is on the naughty list, too. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at grown men acting like schoolyard kids...but I'm really glad I'm not the one(s) having to make these horrible, thankless choices right now. All I can do is pray they get it more right than not...12
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@cmriverside "But then the amount of tom-foolery-you're-not-the-boss-of-me going on here cannot be over-stated." This made me laugh out loud. I pictured an enormous 4 year old (the "you're not the boss of me" stage, generally speaking) like Baby Hughie, stamping his foot, turning red in the face, and trying to buy . . . IDK, maybe cracker jacks. And then I pictured hordes of them, marching in Lansing, and maybe Madison (WI) soon. Such an apt description of a small, loud-mouthed minority in both states.8
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Speaking of reasons..
The other day I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, I didnt have many bags, unlike my last trip where it took me 7 trips back and forth to get everything inside...
So I'm waiting for my cab, he shows up, and immediately walks right over to my cart right behind me pretty much shoulder to shoulder to grab some of my bags.
I said "it's okay, I got them" but he took them anyway.
So I get in the car and I see no disinfecting wipes or sanitizer, no masks no gloves.. nothing.
We get to my place and after I pay him, I get out and go around to get the bags and again he gets out and comes right up beside me and grabs some bags
Again I said "it's okay I can take them" and he said no no, I will carry them to your place, and I said no, it's fine, i can handle them.
I basically had to pry my bags from his hands.
I honestly wouldnt think.. at this point that i would have to be blunt and state the obvious about social distancing... as it's been everywhere you go for weeks. So it surprised me that twice he gave no thought to himself or me..
In trying to be a gentleman he removed my ability twice to maintain my own 6 feet of space.
I dont know if he just didnt get it? Or if he just didnt care. But it's people like that, that would make it hard to reopen parts of the city or county without them just coming into that space.
I was pretty mad.. last thing I need is to catch this just before I return to work because someone else just didnt care or doesnt take it seriously enough.
All i could think was... what if he had done this for all his passengers? Then by being that close to me, shared it with me cause he picked it up from someone else.... what if I was unlucky enough to bring something home from the store and by him grabbing my bags, hes got it and now sharing it with new passengers.
I actually wrote a tiny rant about it on my main profile as a vent, and someone that is no longer a friend cause they deleted themselves, condescendingly told me that they Hope I find happiness in my life so I dont blame others.
So besides the cab driver, here is another person who seems to think violation of space and potential infection from someone else should be invited with love and acceptance.
I dont blame those who ended up with it, it spread so quickly, and it's been hard to control, but I will get mad at those who dont do their own part to work together to protect those who haven't yet. Its gonna spread enough as it is, just trying to maintain some essential services to live and work, why make it harder?
Keep your distance. Wash your hands. And those red arrows on the floor at the grocery store indicating which direction the flow of the aisle is.. follow it, dont just barge down the wrong way because you're only getting 1 thing and you dont wanna walk down another aisle just to go in the right direction. It's not hard..
Lol... so frustrating when I see things like this
Perhaps a call to the cab company as a gentle reminder, since this has happened more than once.
Oh, well no, only the once, lol you read my rant the other day I'm sure, that's who I'm talking about lol
I even looked at the date before responding, because it seemed familiar.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Speaking of reasons..
The other day I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, I didnt have many bags, unlike my last trip where it took me 7 trips back and forth to get everything inside...
So I'm waiting for my cab, he shows up, and immediately walks right over to my cart right behind me pretty much shoulder to shoulder to grab some of my bags.
I said "it's okay, I got them" but he took them anyway.
So I get in the car and I see no disinfecting wipes or sanitizer, no masks no gloves.. nothing.
We get to my place and after I pay him, I get out and go around to get the bags and again he gets out and comes right up beside me and grabs some bags
Again I said "it's okay I can take them" and he said no no, I will carry them to your place, and I said no, it's fine, i can handle them.
I basically had to pry my bags from his hands.
I honestly wouldnt think.. at this point that i would have to be blunt and state the obvious about social distancing... as it's been everywhere you go for weeks. So it surprised me that twice he gave no thought to himself or me..
In trying to be a gentleman he removed my ability twice to maintain my own 6 feet of space.
I dont know if he just didnt get it? Or if he just didnt care. But it's people like that, that would make it hard to reopen parts of the city or county without them just coming into that space.
I was pretty mad.. last thing I need is to catch this just before I return to work because someone else just didnt care or doesnt take it seriously enough.
All i could think was... what if he had done this for all his passengers? Then by being that close to me, shared it with me cause he picked it up from someone else.... what if I was unlucky enough to bring something home from the store and by him grabbing my bags, hes got it and now sharing it with new passengers.
I actually wrote a tiny rant about it on my main profile as a vent, and someone that is no longer a friend cause they deleted themselves, condescendingly told me that they Hope I find happiness in my life so I dont blame others.
So besides the cab driver, here is another person who seems to think violation of space and potential infection from someone else should be invited with love and acceptance.
I dont blame those who ended up with it, it spread so quickly, and it's been hard to control, but I will get mad at those who dont do their own part to work together to protect those who haven't yet. Its gonna spread enough as it is, just trying to maintain some essential services to live and work, why make it harder?
Keep your distance. Wash your hands. And those red arrows on the floor at the grocery store indicating which direction the flow of the aisle is.. follow it, dont just barge down the wrong way because you're only getting 1 thing and you dont wanna walk down another aisle just to go in the right direction. It's not hard..
Lol... so frustrating when I see things like this
Perhaps a call to the cab company as a gentle reminder, since this has happened more than once.
Oh, well no, only the once, lol you read my rant the other day I'm sure, that's who I'm talking about lol
I even looked at the date before responding, because it seemed familiar.
Yeah as it's been a few days it's slightly less angry hahaha2 -
Also... I am a beached whale, can someone please roll me back into the ocean? 🥴7
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I appreciate those who were trying to discuss politics without being political, but some of the posts in response weren't seeming to follow that guideline.4
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JustSomeEm wrote: »Just got back from Walmart. Got there right as it was opening and managed to snag some TP! Woot! There wasn't much on the shelf, so I'm sure it is already gone by now. They also had Easter candy at half off... I brought way nore home than I should have. I probably should have eaten before I headed out htis morning. During all this 'stay at home' stuff, I've been trying to create sourdough starter, which is taking a LOT of flour. Part of the process is feeding the starter twice a day for a short time to get it going, so I needed to pick up some flour too. There wasn't very much of it, and I felt a bit wasteful buying it to feed to a starter that I'm having trouble getting to do much. I'm strongly considering stopping this little experiment until things are more normal, which makes me a little sad, since I have so much extra time now and likely won't later.
What are y'all doing to pass the time? I have work for 8 hours each day, exercise, cooking and I'm working on a Masters Degree, so homework. But other ideas are always welcome.
You could bake something with the part of the starter you remove before feeding it; that way you wouldn't be wasting anything. Obviously not something calling for sourdough starter before you've really got it going properly, but you could use the discard for flour and water in another recipe that uses yeast, if you have yeast, or other leavening agent that you have, or for a recipe that doesn't require leavening ... my brain is tired and all I'm thinking of is pie crust, which doesn't call for a whole lot of water, so there might be more water in the starter discard than there would be in a whole crust recipe. ... You could try freezing it and saving it for thickening gravy. or maybe a roux, although a little would go a long way for those purposes.1 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »"well at least they passed fast and didnt suffer, how long before the room is empty? We need to have it cleaned for the next resident to live in it"
...and yet, people can be so cruel.
I've had the misfortune to lose all my family members, one by one.
The things people say just defy explanation.
If you don't know what to say, say nothing.
...and yeah, this virus is Nature's way. Doesn't mean it isn't horribly painful.
I'm so sorry, that's awful.. =/
I agree, if grief and condolences are not something you excel at, the best thing you can do is not say anything.
You know... sometimes I've had situations come up where I literally have no idea how to react with words, which really sucks if I'm alone, but if I cant think of what to say, I usually shoot for what the next most appropriate thing would be, in the case of loss, I would ask if i could give them a hug.
If I'm with others, i will allow someone else to say something and use that as a learning experience, because while i work in a place where loss of family is reality, I have honestly never lost anyone before. I had to learn my empathy of how it feels, and while i am sincere, I cant imagine I'm even close to how it truly feels. I know the sadness I feel thinking about what my life would be like once I lose everyone I'm close to but I cant compare it to the reality, but I do try my best to use what I feel and learn based on only outside experience to be there for people when they're struggling.
My mother was a registered nurse and worked the night shift for many years. Sometimes she'd arrive home in the morning and say that someone had died. I was a kid and looked at her horrified, and asked if she was afraid to be alone in a room when someone died. I'll never forget her response "No, I consider it a privilege to be there at that time and comfort the family as best I can".
I have unfortunately missed deaths of residents who I grew close to. I remember one person I used to visit quite frequently when I would work and I'd stay and chat with her for a while, i remember as time went on, she became less and less interested in coming out for meals, I brought her in some home made turkey soup, and she told me that she was just so tired of living and that she was ready to go, that was truly one of those moments where I didnt know what to say because here is a person whose life has meaning and value and who I enjoyed visiting and getting to know, who has friends and family who would miss her... but also, who was i to dismiss how she felt and not also be fully present for her desires, despite what it truly was?
I wanted to tell her she was just being silly and that shes going to be here for a long time. But while that sentiment would show her I cared for her, it also would of made her feel lonely in her own feelings inside.
I put my hand in her hand and I said to her "well.. I want you to know that I have loved every minute we have spent getting to know each other and getting to serve you meals, and I will continue to do that no matter how much time that is"
She smiled and said thank you and said it was a pleasure to have someone like me. She passed away not soon after on my weekend off.
I walked out of that room tho, unsure if what I said was the right thing to say. It was an experience to learn from.
That made me cry, but in a good way.
I can't imagine anything you could have said that would have been better than that.4 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Speaking of reasons..
The other day I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, I didnt have many bags, unlike my last trip where it took me 7 trips back and forth to get everything inside...
So I'm waiting for my cab, he shows up, and immediately walks right over to my cart right behind me pretty much shoulder to shoulder to grab some of my bags.
I said "it's okay, I got them" but he took them anyway.
So I get in the car and I see no disinfecting wipes or sanitizer, no masks no gloves.. nothing.
We get to my place and after I pay him, I get out and go around to get the bags and again he gets out and comes right up beside me and grabs some bags
Again I said "it's okay I can take them" and he said no no, I will carry them to your place, and I said no, it's fine, i can handle them.
I basically had to pry my bags from his hands.
I honestly wouldnt think.. at this point that i would have to be blunt and state the obvious about social distancing... as it's been everywhere you go for weeks. So it surprised me that twice he gave no thought to himself or me..
In trying to be a gentleman he removed my ability twice to maintain my own 6 feet of space.
I dont know if he just didnt get it? Or if he just didnt care. But it's people like that, that would make it hard to reopen parts of the city or county without them just coming into that space.
I was pretty mad.. last thing I need is to catch this just before I return to work because someone else just didnt care or doesnt take it seriously enough.
All i could think was... what if he had done this for all his passengers? Then by being that close to me, shared it with me cause he picked it up from someone else.... what if I was unlucky enough to bring something home from the store and by him grabbing my bags, hes got it and now sharing it with new passengers.
I actually wrote a tiny rant about it on my main profile as a vent, and someone that is no longer a friend cause they deleted themselves, condescendingly told me that they Hope I find happiness in my life so I dont blame others.
So besides the cab driver, here is another person who seems to think violation of space and potential infection from someone else should be invited with love and acceptance.
I dont blame those who ended up with it, it spread so quickly, and it's been hard to control, but I will get mad at those who dont do their own part to work together to protect those who haven't yet. Its gonna spread enough as it is, just trying to maintain some essential services to live and work, why make it harder?
Keep your distance. Wash your hands. And those red arrows on the floor at the grocery store indicating which direction the flow of the aisle is.. follow it, dont just barge down the wrong way because you're only getting 1 thing and you dont wanna walk down another aisle just to go in the right direction. It's not hard..
Lol... so frustrating when I see things like this
I will chime in here. In Italy we have so many nursing homes with high infection rates and deaths. You are right to be so concerned if you may be returning to work soon. You wouldn't want to unwittingly carry the virus to all those fragile people--and that's how it can happen. I don't know your situation, but I'd protect myself. Wear a mask and gloves next time and he'll probably stay away from you.5 -
I appreciate those who were trying to discuss politics without being political, but some of the posts in response weren't seeming to follow that guideline.
Well, politicians are making it political, and it’s a no win situation. What should take precedence, economics or lives? They are intertwined. No winners, but, losers either way. I happen to trust medical experts on this one. Lives are more important. The economy can be built back up. Err on the side of caution.
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KrissCanDoThis wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Speaking of reasons..
The other day I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, I didnt have many bags, unlike my last trip where it took me 7 trips back and forth to get everything inside...
So I'm waiting for my cab, he shows up, and immediately walks right over to my cart right behind me pretty much shoulder to shoulder to grab some of my bags.
I said "it's okay, I got them" but he took them anyway.
So I get in the car and I see no disinfecting wipes or sanitizer, no masks no gloves.. nothing.
We get to my place and after I pay him, I get out and go around to get the bags and again he gets out and comes right up beside me and grabs some bags
Again I said "it's okay I can take them" and he said no no, I will carry them to your place, and I said no, it's fine, i can handle them.
I basically had to pry my bags from his hands.
I honestly wouldnt think.. at this point that i would have to be blunt and state the obvious about social distancing... as it's been everywhere you go for weeks. So it surprised me that twice he gave no thought to himself or me..
In trying to be a gentleman he removed my ability twice to maintain my own 6 feet of space.
I dont know if he just didnt get it? Or if he just didnt care. But it's people like that, that would make it hard to reopen parts of the city or county without them just coming into that space.
I was pretty mad.. last thing I need is to catch this just before I return to work because someone else just didnt care or doesnt take it seriously enough.
All i could think was... what if he had done this for all his passengers? Then by being that close to me, shared it with me cause he picked it up from someone else.... what if I was unlucky enough to bring something home from the store and by him grabbing my bags, hes got it and now sharing it with new passengers.
I actually wrote a tiny rant about it on my main profile as a vent, and someone that is no longer a friend cause they deleted themselves, condescendingly told me that they Hope I find happiness in my life so I dont blame others.
So besides the cab driver, here is another person who seems to think violation of space and potential infection from someone else should be invited with love and acceptance.
I dont blame those who ended up with it, it spread so quickly, and it's been hard to control, but I will get mad at those who dont do their own part to work together to protect those who haven't yet. Its gonna spread enough as it is, just trying to maintain some essential services to live and work, why make it harder?
Keep your distance. Wash your hands. And those red arrows on the floor at the grocery store indicating which direction the flow of the aisle is.. follow it, dont just barge down the wrong way because you're only getting 1 thing and you dont wanna walk down another aisle just to go in the right direction. It's not hard..
Lol... so frustrating when I see things like this
Perhaps a call to the cab company as a gentle reminder, since this has happened more than once.
Oh, well no, only the once, lol you read my rant the other day I'm sure, that's who I'm talking about lol
Did you have a mask on? To me, unless someone has been living under a rock for the last 3 months, it should've been obvious anyways but especially if you were wearing a mask.
Was he an older guy? I have found(and I hate to generalize here but....) a lot of the older men I've seen, have poo-poo-ed this whole thing. Macho maybe? Or just extra gentlemanly and impossible to change his ways?
Either way, it's kind of unsettling. I had seen an uptake of wearing masks lately, which was making me feel much safer. But yesterday when I went to the grocery store, only about 1/4 of the shoppers were wearing one and even less of the workers. And not as much social distancing as I've been noticing either. Are people getting sick of it or becoming desensitized?
My elderly neighbor keeps stopping over to visit. He's 87 yo and I've spoken to him about staying home but he stayed away for 2 weeks and felt that was enough. And he sees that I'm not coughing, etc., so figures all is well. He feels this is all a ridiculous farce anyways. I'm afraid there are still way too many who aren't taking this seriously. 4 -
I'm really curious about some important points to all this:
How do they determine when 'peak' has hit, when it'll get better, etc.? I see so many places where the media says we're at peak and I am really curious how on earth they can know that? Especially since they're not even sure that people cannot contract this more than once.
How do we reopen the economy without recreating all the disastrous sickness, contagion, from spreading further and how will the health field/workers deal with that. It seems almost impossible for everybody to keep up now and if/when they open for business again, won't it simply become a nation of critical hot spots once again?
Discuss please? Thank you.4 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »KrissCanDoThis wrote: »Speaking of reasons..
The other day I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, I didnt have many bags, unlike my last trip where it took me 7 trips back and forth to get everything inside...
So I'm waiting for my cab, he shows up, and immediately walks right over to my cart right behind me pretty much shoulder to shoulder to grab some of my bags.
I said "it's okay, I got them" but he took them anyway.
So I get in the car and I see no disinfecting wipes or sanitizer, no masks no gloves.. nothing.
We get to my place and after I pay him, I get out and go around to get the bags and again he gets out and comes right up beside me and grabs some bags
Again I said "it's okay I can take them" and he said no no, I will carry them to your place, and I said no, it's fine, i can handle them.
I basically had to pry my bags from his hands.
I honestly wouldnt think.. at this point that i would have to be blunt and state the obvious about social distancing... as it's been everywhere you go for weeks. So it surprised me that twice he gave no thought to himself or me..
In trying to be a gentleman he removed my ability twice to maintain my own 6 feet of space.
I dont know if he just didnt get it? Or if he just didnt care. But it's people like that, that would make it hard to reopen parts of the city or county without them just coming into that space.
I was pretty mad.. last thing I need is to catch this just before I return to work because someone else just didnt care or doesnt take it seriously enough.
All i could think was... what if he had done this for all his passengers? Then by being that close to me, shared it with me cause he picked it up from someone else.... what if I was unlucky enough to bring something home from the store and by him grabbing my bags, hes got it and now sharing it with new passengers.
I actually wrote a tiny rant about it on my main profile as a vent, and someone that is no longer a friend cause they deleted themselves, condescendingly told me that they Hope I find happiness in my life so I dont blame others.
So besides the cab driver, here is another person who seems to think violation of space and potential infection from someone else should be invited with love and acceptance.
I dont blame those who ended up with it, it spread so quickly, and it's been hard to control, but I will get mad at those who dont do their own part to work together to protect those who haven't yet. Its gonna spread enough as it is, just trying to maintain some essential services to live and work, why make it harder?
Keep your distance. Wash your hands. And those red arrows on the floor at the grocery store indicating which direction the flow of the aisle is.. follow it, dont just barge down the wrong way because you're only getting 1 thing and you dont wanna walk down another aisle just to go in the right direction. It's not hard..
Lol... so frustrating when I see things like this
Perhaps a call to the cab company as a gentle reminder, since this has happened more than once.
Oh, well no, only the once, lol you read my rant the other day I'm sure, that's who I'm talking about lol
Did you have a mask on? To me, unless someone has been living under a rock for the last 3 months, it should've been obvious anyways but especially if you were wearing a mask. Was he an older guy? I have found(and I hate to generalize here but....) a lot of the older men I've seen, have poo-poo-ed this whole thing. Macho maybe? Or just extra gentlemanly and impossible to change his ways?
Either way, it's kind of unsettling. I had seen an uptake of wearing masks lately, which was making me feel much safer. But yesterday when I went to the grocery store, only about 1/4 of the shoppers were wearing one and even less of the workers. And not as much social distancing as I've been noticing either. Are people getting sick of it or becoming desensitized?
My elderly neighbor keeps stopping over to visit. He's 87 yo and I've spoken to him about staying home but he stayed away for 2 weeks and felt that was enough. And he sees that I'm not coughing, etc., so figures all is well. He feels this is all a ridiculous farce anyways. I'm afraid there are still way too many who aren't taking this seriously.
I ordered a mask but it hasn't arrived yet.
While he was an older male, I had two previous cab drivers other days who also were and apologized to me for being unable to help.. so who knows about this guy. Lol
But your neighbor sounds like my mom, who I've spoken about before, saying shes not scared of me so why does she need to distance herself away from me, couldn't understand how social distancing could apply to your family. My grandmother even said to her "you need to social distance get that through your head" and she looked at her and said "well we hug".. and my grandmother said "well we shouldnt be"
And even after that conversation she wouldnt distance from me, which is why I've not gone back to see them since.3 -
All of Minnesota is invited by MPR , to go outside at 5:53 pm, and sing Carole King’s, “You’ve Got a Friend”, with neighbors, friends, relatives and fellow Minnesotans across the state. Take videos to share with others showing unity during this crisis. Maybe it should be a world wide effort ❤️7
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My KN95 masks (50 of them) came in yesterday. A guy that lives in the neighborhood had asked for anything as he works as a respiratory tech at the local hospital. I'm setting them outside today for him and his coworkers. I had to get them from China to get them and didn't expect them to be here until next week. We are reaching a peak here right now in Tucson, so the timing couldn't be better. Was feeling pretty helpless, not being able to help any more, so this made me feel good just to do something small to help.
I also have a box of medical gloves to give him that I bought a while back for staining my deck when I lived in Ohio, if they're not too old.8 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I appreciate those who were trying to discuss politics without being political, but some of the posts in response weren't seeming to follow that guideline.
Well, politicians are making it political, and it’s a no win situation. What should take precedence, economics or lives? They are intertwined. No winners, but, losers either way. I happen to trust medical experts on this one. Lives are more important. The economy can be built back up. Err on the side of caution.
Here on the MFP forums, the terms of service we agreed to when we signed up say that political discussions are not acceptable.
People may hold any view they prefer. Here, on a diet/health/fitness site, we're expected to keep discussion politically neutral and nonpolemical. There are plenty of other social media sites where politics/polemics are expected and allowed, if people want that.10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I appreciate those who were trying to discuss politics without being political, but some of the posts in response weren't seeming to follow that guideline.
Well, politicians are making it political, and it’s a no win situation. What should take precedence, economics or lives? They are intertwined. No winners, but, losers either way. I happen to trust medical experts on this one. Lives are more important. The economy can be built back up. Err on the side of caution.
Here on the MFP forums, the terms of service we agreed to when we signed up say that political discussions are not acceptable.
People may hold any view they prefer. Here, on a diet/health/fitness site, we're expected to keep discussion politically neutral and nonpolemical. There are plenty of other social media sites where politics/polemics are expected and allowed, if people want that.
I don’t see this as political or attacking. Sorry if you see it that way. It was purely meant as a way of uniting people.5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I appreciate those who were trying to discuss politics without being political, but some of the posts in response weren't seeming to follow that guideline.
Well, politicians are making it political, and it’s a no win situation. What should take precedence, economics or lives? They are intertwined. No winners, but, losers either way. I happen to trust medical experts on this one. Lives are more important. The economy can be built back up. Err on the side of caution.
Here on the MFP forums, the terms of service we agreed to when we signed up say that political discussions are not acceptable.
People may hold any view they prefer. Here, on a diet/health/fitness site, we're expected to keep discussion politically neutral and nonpolemical. There are plenty of other social media sites where politics/polemics are expected and allowed, if people want that.
I don’t see this as political or attacking. Sorry if you see it that way. It was purely meant as a way of uniting people.
I didn't see your post as political or attacking at all, or intend mine as arguing with yours.
In a sub-thread about "getting political", I just thought it was a reasonable thing to restate why we keep it nonpolitical.here.
No criticism of you intended: Just intending to be continuing the conversation.
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missysippy930 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I appreciate those who were trying to discuss politics without being political, but some of the posts in response weren't seeming to follow that guideline.
Well, politicians are making it political, and it’s a no win situation. What should take precedence, economics or lives? They are intertwined. No winners, but, losers either way. I happen to trust medical experts on this one. Lives are more important. The economy can be built back up. Err on the side of caution.
Here on the MFP forums, the terms of service we agreed to when we signed up say that political discussions are not acceptable.
People may hold any view they prefer. Here, on a diet/health/fitness site, we're expected to keep discussion politically neutral and nonpolemical. There are plenty of other social media sites where politics/polemics are expected and allowed, if people want that.
I don’t see this as political or attacking. Sorry if you see it that way. It was purely meant as a way of uniting people.
I didn't see your post as political or attacking at all, or intend mine as arguing with yours.
In a sub-thread about "getting political", I just thought it was a reasonable thing to restate why we keep it nonpolitical.here.
No criticism of you intended: Just intending to be continuing the conversation.
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Thank you for explaining. My dd actually informed me of the event, knowing how much I like Carole King.
Tapestry was a favorite album of mine back in the ‘70’s. I wore out 2 of them. Memories of an old lady!1 -
I'm really curious about some important points to all this:
How do they determine when 'peak' has hit, when it'll get better, etc.? I see so many places where the media says we're at peak and I am really curious how on earth they can know that? Especially since they're not even sure that people cannot contract this more than once.
How do we reopen the economy without recreating all the disastrous sickness, contagion, from spreading further and how will the health field/workers deal with that. It seems almost impossible for everybody to keep up now and if/when they open for business again, won't it simply become a nation of critical hot spots once again?
Discuss please? Thank you.
When cases start going down consistently and it's not due to changes in testing that make testing lower, I suppose. But I agree that not knowing how much immunity is conveyed by having it presents a problem. I also agree that how to reopen is a tough question. That's what they are all trying to figure out now.
Ideally we will be able to test to see who had it (if there is immunity), will continue some kinds of social distancing and likely not jump right into big group events, and the like. Also hopefully we will find some treatment that actually works sooner, rather than later.3 -
I was reading an article today that they expect peak here will be late april, early may, but that restriction likely wont be considered being lifted til june, and they base that statistic on cases here, and how patterns are in other canadian provinces.
I'm skeptical tho.. lol..3 -
I'm really curious about some important points to all this:
How do they determine when 'peak' has hit, when it'll get better, etc.? I see so many places where the media says we're at peak and I am really curious how on earth they can know that? Especially since they're not even sure that people cannot contract this more than once.
How do we reopen the economy without recreating all the disastrous sickness, contagion, from spreading further and how will the health field/workers deal with that. It seems almost impossible for everybody to keep up now and if/when they open for business again, won't it simply become a nation of critical hot spots once again?
Discuss please? Thank you.
From what I understand from our state government and health care officials, they are looking at the surge numbers where we are likely to hit and then exceed hospital capacity...this is expected to happen this week and into next. At this point "peak" is merely an estimate based on what they are currently seeing...we are estimated to peak in mid May. Ultimately what will determine whether an area has peaked or not is plotting the number of new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths on the curve and seeing a downward trend. The trend will have to decline significantly before measures are taken to loosen restrictions. We are currently under restriction until the end of April, but everyone knows that this will be extended into May and likely early June.
In regards to re-opening the economy, that will be a very slow, incremental loosening of the belt. It won't be a flip of the switch and everyone is back in business. I would anticipate some level of restriction will be in place for well over a year and things like keeping 6' apart, wearing masks, etc to be very much a part of everyone's life for the foreseeable future. I think the level of restriction will be very much dependent on where you are. For example, in New Mexico it sounds like when we do start loosening up, it won't necessarily be a state wide measure...the Albuquerque metro area has roughly half of our state's 2M person population living in it...I would anticipate restrictions will be more stringent here than more rural parts of the state.
From what I'm hearing here, when we do start to re-open it will be a loosening of X restriction...wait a couple weeks and see how things are going before loosening things any further. We will continue to have cases of the virus, but remember the measures being taken now aren't to eradicate the virus...just to flatten the curve out...by opening slowly, you keep that curve down.
I fully anticipate at least 12 to 18 months of restrictions of varying degrees. I don't see concerts or live sporting events at large venues happening for at least a year...probably more. I'm sure travel will also be suppressed for quite awhile.
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We have to wear masks mandatory from now on in NYS.6
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I can't believe how oblivious some people are 😡
We need to have a notary public come into our house to sign some papers tonight. When my husband talked with her yesterday he requested that she wear a mask and we would do the same. She was surprised and dismissive of his concerns. She asked if we had been sick at all in the last two weeks, and said she hadn't been either so it shouldn't be a problem. WTF?? Lady, you've been in and out of numerous houses apparently without protection and you want to spend 45 minutes talking to two older people without a mask?
We have very few cases here and the risk is exceedingly low that she would be sick and not know it, but we can't afford to take any chances, particularly because I'm waiting to be scheduled for surgery.
It's going to be a really awkward 45 minutes tonight and I would put it off if I could, but unfortunately that's not an option. I hate being made to feel like an overreacting old lady, but I'd rather that then take a chance on getting sick 😔29 -
I can't believe how oblivious some people are 😡
We need to have a notary public come into our house to sign some papers tonight. When my husband talked with her yesterday he requested that she wear a mask and we would do the same. She was surprised and dismissive of his concerns. She asked if we had been sick at all in the last two weeks, and said she hadn't been either so it shouldn't be a problem. WTF?? Lady, you've been in and out of numerous houses apparently without protection and you want to spend 45 minutes talking to two older people without a mask?
We have very few cases here and the risk is exceedingly low that she would be sick and not know it, but we can't afford to take any chances, particularly because I'm waiting to be scheduled for surgery.
It's going to be a really awkward 45 minutes tonight and I would put it off if I could, but unfortunately that's not an option. I hate being made to feel like an overreacting old lady, but I'd rather that then take a chance on getting sick 😔
Can you call her superior? Yep, I’d be really unhappy with her too.7 -
I can't believe how oblivious some people are 😡
We need to have a notary public come into our house to sign some papers tonight. When my husband talked with her yesterday he requested that she wear a mask and we would do the same. She was surprised and dismissive of his concerns. She asked if we had been sick at all in the last two weeks, and said she hadn't been either so it shouldn't be a problem. WTF?? Lady, you've been in and out of numerous houses apparently without protection and you want to spend 45 minutes talking to two older people without a mask?
We have very few cases here and the risk is exceedingly low that she would be sick and not know it, but we can't afford to take any chances, particularly because I'm waiting to be scheduled for surgery.
It's going to be a really awkward 45 minutes tonight and I would put it off if I could, but unfortunately that's not an option. I hate being made to feel like an overreacting old lady, but I'd rather that then take a chance on getting sick 😔
These are the humans I was complaining about last night
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I can't believe how oblivious some people are 😡
We need to have a notary public come into our house to sign some papers tonight. When my husband talked with her yesterday he requested that she wear a mask and we would do the same. She was surprised and dismissive of his concerns. She asked if we had been sick at all in the last two weeks, and said she hadn't been either so it shouldn't be a problem. WTF?? Lady, you've been in and out of numerous houses apparently without protection and you want to spend 45 minutes talking to two older people without a mask?
We have very few cases here and the risk is exceedingly low that she would be sick and not know it, but we can't afford to take any chances, particularly because I'm waiting to be scheduled for surgery.
It's going to be a really awkward 45 minutes tonight and I would put it off if I could, but unfortunately that's not an option. I hate being made to feel like an overreacting old lady, but I'd rather that then take a chance on getting sick 😔
Sounds like she was reluctant, but willing to go along with it. I still saw a lot of people not wearing masks at the grocery store yesterday. It almost seems wierd to be the one person covering my mouth and nose, but it's just rational. Unfortunately, covering with a buff (lined with coffee filter) helps everyone else more than it helps me and yet almost nobody else is similarly protecting others from their germs. Ugh, this is why the virus will keep spreading and we won't get back to normal for awhile.
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I'm really curious about some important points to all this:
How do they determine when 'peak' has hit, when it'll get better, etc.? I see so many places where the media says we're at peak and I am really curious how on earth they can know that? Especially since they're not even sure that people cannot contract this more than once.
How do we reopen the economy without recreating all the disastrous sickness, contagion, from spreading further and how will the health field/workers deal with that. It seems almost impossible for everybody to keep up now and if/when they open for business again, won't it simply become a nation of critical hot spots once again?
Discuss please? Thank you.
I would assume they're basing estimates of peaks by looking at the data and the slope of the new infections curve. First the rate of increase has to slow, and I would guess once that happens, they carry the trend out into the future to try to predict when the rate of increase gets close to zero or goes negative (the back end of the curve).
As for reopening, if it's just going back to the way life was two months ago, then yes, anywhere there are asymptomatic cases harboring, they will begin to spread again, as it does not appear that the number of people who have been exposed and survived and presumably have some level of immunity are a big enough percentage of the overall population to confer herd immunity (that is, prevent the virus from spreading rapidly because most of the people an infected person comes into contact with are immune).
That's why the recommendations are to go gradually with reopening businesses and schools, still limit large gatherings of people, still have at-risk indviduals self-isolate, still practice six-feet of social distance and wearing masks as much as possible, still engage in vigorous hand-washing ...
Until widespread, rapid testing and/or a vaccine is available, resurgence is a real possibility if people won't continue to engage in those best practices.
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