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only 1 active case in South Australia - our borders are also closed, even to other states of Australia
some other Australia states also there and others not that far behind.10 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
Thanks for the link.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »only 1 active case in South Australia - our borders are also closed, even to other states of Australia
some other Australia states also there and others not that far behind.
Yay, hoping that continues - we want you "in our bubble"! (Lucky DH and I made a trip to SA late Feb - just before the restrictions stepped up)1 -
Zero cases here in Queensland today. Only 3 active cases and only 5 new cases for all of Australia. Boarders still closed in QLD but we're finally allowed to drive anywhere within it now.6
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In Ky USA we are an uptick of COVID-19 cases which probably means there are asymptomatic spreaders. Marches are one source i am sure. Pool parties of young kids with parents socializing is a new thing I noticed. Churches and movies are in business again. By July 4th a new peak maybe taking place due lack of social distancing and mask usage. August day care through colleges will be open for business. From the news I see social unrest is common place world wide. With police funding cut talk and some being charged with police abuse we may see fewer on the streets in an active way.
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gradchica27 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
I read part of this, and this snp was also in an area with a gene involved in immune response, so definitely preliminary.
They found a second region showing an even stronger association, but there are several genes in the area, so they can't pinpoint one yet.
Somehow I missed this news and of course I’m now googling this like crazy—which, as usual, leaves me more confused. This article (and a few others) suggests the association of A blood type with adverse outcomes and O with less risk of infection was only significant for A+ and O+ (sigh of relief, as oldest son and I are A- and my physician husband is O+, now wondering if my 3 other Rh+ kids ended up A or O, post partum fog erased everything but the big needle).
So continued googling brings up other articles that do not specify Rh +/- (just that A blood group as a whole is at higher risk). So now vaguely uneasy and more confused about whether we need to ramp up our vigilance as our area opens up more.
Yeah, unfortunately we're still too early in this to know anything for a fact. We just have to keep reading and watching and weighing risks to benefits. I think those of us actually trying to think this through logically are going to be uneasy for awhile
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I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html2 -
Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.
My concern would be (and theirs might be) air circulation. There was a case somewhere where one person with covid spread it to everyone sitting on the same side of the room in the restaurant, and no one right across the aisle from them. The assumption was the air conditioning kept pushing the particles the positive person was shedding straight across all the other tables. If circulation or filtration is poor, any virus particles could just sit in that room or swirl through over and over. And you're all probably sitting in there for 2 plus hours.
I also wonder if the costs of opening and maintaining a large building like that simply can't be covered by a partial opening and it's actually less of a loss to keep it closed.
The air circulation issue is why my scaredy-cat butt will be avoiding pretty much any enclosed space I have no control over the environmental controls, other than grocery shopping, for the foreseeable future, unless it's something where I'll be in and out in a couple of minutes.10 -
I'm just glad the panic buying seems to be over in London at least. No more problems with inventory at the supermarket.7
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paperpudding wrote: »why not lemur cat? - and what has that to do with coronavirus?
It's a ridiculous diet talked about often in the forum, and just a dumb joke.3 -
I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.11 -
Thanks @kimny72. Yes, air circulation makes sense.
@Theoldguy1 yes, that always made sense to me. Yet our theater is often full.0 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.
My concern would be (and theirs might be) air circulation. There was a case somewhere where one person with covid spread it to everyone sitting on the same side of the room in the restaurant, and no one right across the aisle from them. The assumption was the air conditioning kept pushing the particles the positive person was shedding straight across all the other tables. If circulation or filtration is poor, any virus particles could just sit in that room or swirl through over and over. And you're all probably sitting in there for 2 plus hours.
I also wonder if the costs of opening and maintaining a large building like that simply can't be covered by a partial opening and it's actually less of a loss to keep it closed.
The air circulation issue is why my scaredy-cat butt will be avoiding pretty much any enclosed space I have no control over the environmental controls, other than grocery shopping, for the foreseeable future, unless it's something where I'll be in and out in a couple of minutes.
Another issue is finding new movies to show. Most of Hollywood's releases were delayed until the fall at least.5 -
I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.7
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Our first service at church this weekend, it was interesting to see the varying degrees of caution/awareness (or lack of). They ranged from people hugging, no masks, like nothing changed... to one guy screaming (literally) 6 feet! 6 feet! 6 feet! When his (unmasked) children and our (masked) children got too close to each other talking. Seriously, he flipped. We are conscious and aware of distancing, talked to the kids before hand, made sure they used sanitizer multiple times, face masks properly covering nose and mouth... they just got caught up in the conversation I guess. I was getting ready to say something but he beat me to it. It was awkward, further so when he said something about “especially the C’s” (our family). Seriously dude? WTHeck does that even mean? He then paraded his family out the doors with arms stretched wide, chanting “6 feet!” the entire way out - like parting the sea. It was weird. I kind of have the philosophy that if you are wanting to be that cautious, just stay home. Our pastor made it very clear that if you aren’t comfortable, there is no pressure... even if you need to leave in the middle of service because you thought you would be OK but aren’t. We went early, we sat on a far side by ourselves, we talked sparingly and from a distance, and scooted out soon afterwards. We’ll see. They are calling it week by week since we are still considered a hot spot.
My brain is very confused as things start to open up... some days are like it never happened, others it feels all too real still. It’s a weird place to be in.
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gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
As far as the pool, it's possible it's easier to say don't bring anything than to provide a list of do's and don'ts. Also, some people are liable to leave their stuff lying around and that risks other people picking it up? I don't know, all the pools by me are still closed - i always think of public pools as full of other people's ick anyway
I'm kind of surprised youth sports are happening. In my admittedly limited experience watching kids practice/play team sports, it's pretty useless to try to keep kids from standing close to and even rolling around with each other. Maybe I've just watched some very undisciplined youth teams!4 -
gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
I'm speculating, but it seems like there are two perspectives on this sort of thing.
From the perspective of people participating in many different activities, the disparate rules really, really don't make sense - so inconsistent across activities, and some rules potentially don't even seem logical taken by themselves.
From another perpective, the perspective of the process we're all in, I think it's totally understandable, almost inevitable.
We have a plethora of organizations, some with formal governing bodies, some with loose coordinating associations, some just run by local people, sometimes those running them are only volunteers. The national governing/coordinating groups may be trying to provide some guidance, but they're in a context where nearly every state has different rules, and sometimes different phases within regions in a single state (and potentially a layer of city/county requirement on top of the state ones). All of the regulations/guidelines are changing dynamically, with short notice . . . and the science on which they're based is still unclear and evolving by the day. Not every organization has advisors who understand the science, plus the ins & outs of the particular activity (the sport, for example), plus know the regulatory layer.
I don't see how a coherent, consistent set of rules across sports, facilities and activities is going to emerge this fast, from this kind of environment. I think it's a miracle that we have as much clarity and consistency as we have, frankly, even though it isn't much.
Imagine yourself (generically, not PP specifically) asked to create safe practice guidelines for X activity that you or a family member are active in and familiar with. You have a week or two notice, at best - knew it was coming, but that much time seeing guidance on the specific regulations. How easy would that be? How much more expertise or guidance do the people actually defining the practices have than that (varies from about what you have, on up to lots - but probably mostly toward the "not very much" end of the scale)?
I think we're all used to an environment where (mostly) things are known and understood, there's time to develop new guidelines because most challenges to the established order are slow-rolling. This is different, but we still want and expect the orderliness that goes with more normal circumstances.
Not realistic, IMO. What we have here is a bunch of people, with incomplete information, on a short time-scale, doing the best they can, IMO.7 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.
How often do you put your mouth or eyes on the beam, though? As long as you keep your hands strictly away from your face until you can wash them, the virus is not coming through your foot into your body. It also isn’t transmitted through sweat.
I would be more concerned about circulated air, since some studies of actual cases have found transmission at quite a distance in enclosed spaces where people are breathing heavily.5 -
gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
Absolutely. Every rule that people don’t believe in makes them more likely to ignore all the rules.
Quarantine fatigue is hitting my mom hard. She’s on a farm way out in the country so if she doesn’t go out she doesn’t see other people at all, not even when picking up the mail and so on, she’s naturally an extrovert, and her foolish friends are all urging her to ignore caution and go back to tai chi, get her hair done, and so on. Meanwhile, she is 84, has high blood pressure, and breathes heavily after a short walk across the room. If she catches this it is a death sentence. I would like to kick her friends, just a little, for trying to kill my mom. My husband had to explain carefully to her why exactly getting her hair cut and colored was the absolutely most dangerous thing she could do. It’s all about TIME AND DISTANCE, and what the other person has been exposed to, so sitting for an hour with someone else’s face within a foot of your face when that person does the same with dozens of others every day is not okay. “But she sprays your whole body down with disinfectant!” “That does nothing, your elbows are not going to give you the virus.” “But we both wear masks!” “Homemade cloth masks are for preventing the big droplets of your sneeze from traveling across a room, they don’t stop the virus.”
And her tai chi instructor is a flat out “this is all a hoax” type person who makes a big point of ignoring the rules. Just no.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »DancingMoosie wrote: »I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.
How often do you put your mouth or eyes on the beam, though? As long as you keep your hands strictly away from your face until you can wash them, the virus is not coming through your foot into your body. It also isn’t transmitted through sweat.
I would be more concerned about circulated air, since some studies of actual cases have found transmission at quite a distance in enclosed spaces where people are breathing heavily.
Gymnasts are known to spit on their grips before bars, though. 🤷 And you know kids touch their faces...
My point was that none of the rules really made sense. The kids touch all the surfaces, but can't use cubbies or water fountains, but can put their belongings next to each other and share equipment.5 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »DancingMoosie wrote: »I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.
How often do you put your mouth or eyes on the beam, though? As long as you keep your hands strictly away from your face until you can wash them, the virus is not coming through your foot into your body. It also isn’t transmitted through sweat.
I would be more concerned about circulated air, since some studies of actual cases have found transmission at quite a distance in enclosed spaces where people are breathing heavily.
Gymnasts are known to spit on their grips before bars, though. 🤷 And you know kids touch their faces...
My point was that none of the rules really made sense. The kids touch all the surfaces, but can't use cubbies or water fountains, but can put their belongings next to each other and share equipment.
Plus all that chalk flying around I have to imagine tickles your nose, gets in your eyes...3 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »DancingMoosie wrote: »I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.
How often do you put your mouth or eyes on the beam, though? As long as you keep your hands strictly away from your face until you can wash them, the virus is not coming through your foot into your body. It also isn’t transmitted through sweat.
I would be more concerned about circulated air, since some studies of actual cases have found transmission at quite a distance in enclosed spaces where people are breathing heavily.
Gymnasts are known to spit on their grips before bars, though. 🤷 And you know kids touch their faces...
My point was that none of the rules really made sense. The kids touch all the surfaces, but can't use cubbies or water fountains, but can put their belongings next to each other and share equipment.
And don’t get me started on bathrooms being closed. I have boys so they can find a tree, but moms? The girls’ team?
Not to mention nowhere to wash your hands...which we’re supposed to be doing all the time. And places are still not restocked in hand sanitizer here, so that may not be an option (plus young boys + hand sanitizer= murder. Their hands are always scraped up and they are trying to avoid getting it in all the cuts, then they inevitably rub their eyes...). Bathrooms are still supposed to be closed here, but some kind soul (possibly a coach who couldn’t deal by their 4th hour of practice?) has been opening them.gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
I'm speculating, but it seems like there are two perspectives on this sort of thing.
From the perspective of people participating in many different activities, the disparate rules really, really don't make sense - so inconsistent across activities, and some rules potentially don't even seem logical taken by themselves.
From another perpective, the perspective of the process we're all in, I think it's totally understandable, almost inevitable.
We have a plethora of organizations, some with formal governing bodies, some with loose coordinating associations, some just run by local people, sometimes those running them are only volunteers. The national governing/coordinating groups may be trying to provide some guidance, but they're in a context where nearly every state has different rules, and sometimes different phases within regions in a single state (and potentially a layer of city/county requirement on top of the state ones). All of the regulations/guidelines are changing dynamically, with short notice . . . and the science on which they're based is still unclear and evolving by the day. Not every organization has advisors who understand the science, plus the ins & outs of the particular activity (the sport, for example), plus know the regulatory layer.
I don't see how a coherent, consistent set of rules across sports, facilities and activities is going to emerge this fast, from this kind of environment. I think it's a miracle that we have as much clarity and consistency as we have, frankly, even though it isn't much.
Imagine yourself (generically, not PP specifically) asked to create safe practice guidelines for X activity that you or a family member are active in and familiar with. You have a week or two notice, at best - knew it was coming, but that much time seeing guidance on the specific regulations. How easy would that be? How much more expertise or guidance do the people actually defining the practices have than that (varies from about what you have, on up to lots - but probably mostly toward the "not very much" end of the scale)?
I think we're all used to an environment where (mostly) things are known and understood, there's time to develop new guidelines because most challenges to the established order are slow-rolling. This is different, but we still want and expect the orderliness that goes with more normal circumstances.
Not realistic, IMO. What we have here is a bunch of people, with incomplete information, on a short time-scale, doing the best they can, IMO.
I get all that, I do. I realize it’s difficult, and that everyone is trying to CYA as well. Our rules for soccer are coming from the state association, which is affiliated with USA soccer, so there were a lot of people chomping at the bit to restart competitive soccer...we were getting weekly emails of “maybe in a week or two!” for a solid 2 months, so there was ample time for planning. And yes, I realize the situation has been evolving (don’t touch anything ever! Has become “touching stuff is not the main pathway of transmission, just wash hands and keep away from people”, for instance).
I’m not faulting people for not knowing exactly what to do in a fluid situation—just pointing out that the resulting hodgepodge of rules, some of which seem to make little sense (the goggles) or are particularly burdensome (the no bathrooms and being forced to sit in your car when it is 97/“feels like 103” while watching other non-team related people stroll about the park) are making many people feel rebellious and resentful. And that’s not going to end well.2 -
I went to Wal-Mart for the first time in months. As usual, very few people wearing masks and everyone getting all close to each other. They also had 1 of the 2 doors blocked off, or so it appeared. I thought that didn't make any sense whatsoever until I saw someone coming in that door on my way out. I didn't understand, so I followed the barriers around and it turns out that there was an opening on the side of the building where they take the carts back. There was no signage as I approached the store and I assume that they had people directing customers early on (March?), but now assume that everyone knows to go around to the side of the store to get to the opening in the barricades and then follow the side of the building (there is a space between the building and the barricades) all the way back around towards the entry door. But I'm an unusual customer in that I haven't been there for awhile. So apparently I ended up going in the wrong door. At least I was covering my nose and mouth, unlike most everyone else.4
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And that’s not going to end well.
Truer words were never spoken, @gradchica27
People are really testy about all this, too.
I said it in the beginning. This isn't a controllable event.
Another example: in my state there are now Official Guidelines each county has to meet before moving to the next "phase."
Except two of them are not even attainable because it would mean forced testing. 1.) There aren't enough tests/sites/lab capacity to test everyone, therefore giving us that one to check off 2.) People don't want to get tested because a.) no one wants to get near the testing sites if they don't have to and b.) we're not doing a very good job of keeping the whole HIPPA thing intact and so therefore c.) if you test positive the State is now up in your business about who you were with, when, where, and then contacting all those people. Could be ...awkward? Illegal? 3.) If so many people are asymtomatic, testing is a crap shoot anyway.
I don't know. The whole thing is a mess. Everyone is on edge and ready to snap at the least provocation and/or ego intrusion.
At least, that's been my observation.
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gradchica27 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
I read part of this, and this snp was also in an area with a gene involved in immune response, so definitely preliminary.
They found a second region showing an even stronger association, but there are several genes in the area, so they can't pinpoint one yet.
Somehow I missed this news and of course I’m now googling this like crazy—which, as usual, leaves me more confused. This article (and a few others) suggests the association of A blood type with adverse outcomes and O with less risk of infection was only significant for A+ and O+ (sigh of relief, as oldest son and I are A- and my physician husband is O+, now wondering if my 3 other Rh+ kids ended up A or O, post partum fog erased everything but the big needle).
So continued googling brings up other articles that do not specify Rh +/- (just that A blood group as a whole is at higher risk). So now vaguely uneasy and more confused about whether we need to ramp up our vigilance as our area opens up more.
I agree it is confusing. I am Type A- which is rare it seems. I did get some info from the link below not that I understood it.
https://science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/blood-types#:~:text=Blood%20types%20are%20determined%20by,type%20(once%20called%20Rhesus).
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Our small town local theater just reopened this past weekend. They're doing 25% capacity, and offering masks at the door to those who need them, but not requiring anyone to wear them. The 2 movies playing? Smoky and the Bandit and Mulan. 4
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There is new research coming out about possible ways to prepare for the coronavirus pandemic that may be of interest to some. While there is no known cure for COVID-19 so preventing potentially deadly side effects is about as good as it gets in my view. Many today use Vitamin K1 and K2 already so this research is just a potential bonus feature for us but others may not have had the same experiences.
https://naturalproductsglobal.com/europe/dutch-researchers-urge-vitamin-k-supplementation-to-protect-against-covid/
https://openheart.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000300
The health benefits of vitamin K
https://nutritioninsight.com/news/ashwagandha-and-propolis-may-hold-covid-19-preventative-and-therapeutic-value-say-researchers.html
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I appreciate this NYT article about managing Covid risk. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/well/live/coronavirus-rules-pandemic-infection-prevention.htm
I agree that it is a numbers game. More risk on one thing justifies less risk on others. In that sense I appreciate the food & financial budget comparisons, EXCEPT too much one day cannot be offset by cutting back successive days if the viral load you get on the one exposure day gets you sick. So I guess it's a numbers game until you get it (lose the game).
Anyway, I love the idea of a social bubble. We've been calling it a "Covid family." I'm sad, though, because a relative I really, really want in my bubble isn't taking any precautions anymore. We both have college age kids, and both our kids did social things recently that exceed my risk comfort level. My relative has been my only regular in-person contact outside of family I live with (we took a weekly walk), but now she is not distancing at all. Our families got together for an outdoor dinner last weekend, and I saw that it just isn't going to work for the ones in the bubble who want less risk. I have 4 octogenarians I visit (and for whom until recently I provisioned groceries). I'm their first call in an emergency, so I'm on the risk averse end of the spectrum. She doesn't have any octogenarians, but there are other vulnerabilities in her living group I wish she would protect. But alas, she is on the risk accepting end.
Clearly, even within living groups, people have different appetites for risk. It's a continual conversation.14
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