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Re usable bags have been fine at supermarkets here throughout this.
Most people have them because recycling has been such a big thing here and you have to pay for disposable bags.
But you had to pack your own bags during Covid , cashiers would only pack new disposable bags. Fair enough.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »Re usable bags have been fine at supermarkets here throughout this.
Most people have them because recycling has been such a big thing here and you have to pay for disposable bags.
But you had to pack your own bags during Covid , cashiers would only pack new disposable bags. Fair enough.
It was the same here in Queensland but now they are packing all bags again. Same there now?0 -
paperpudding wrote: »Re usable bags have been fine at supermarkets here throughout this.
Most people have them because recycling has been such a big thing here and you have to pay for disposable bags.
But you had to pack your own bags during Covid , cashiers would only pack new disposable bags. Fair enough.
In the beginning of all this, my normal store had signs that if you bring your own bags, you pack your own bags. They've since taken those signs down. Plus our state is no longer offering plastic, plastic bags are banned effective July 1st and paper bags will now cost 10 cents each. I'm bringing my reusable bags now, when I remember to.
I'm a bit angry about all the ways this country's efforts haven't done a whole lot of good, re: large group gatherings that are now happening are just going to spawn everything all over again. It's already happening in some areas.
It's sad to see really. We went weeks/months, mostly adhering to health precautions and then in a couple weeks it feels like everything is going back to square 1.
I'm sick of it and it hasn't really affected my life all that much. I'm an extremely introverted retiree, living in a pretty rural state. There have been 55 deaths in our state, mostly nursing homes in 1 area and not even 1100 known positive cases. But I still worry, especially about my older family members and my adult kids who live elsewhere. 6 -
paperpudding wrote: »Re usable bags have been fine at supermarkets here throughout this.
Most people have them because recycling has been such a big thing here and you have to pay for disposable bags.
But you had to pack your own bags during Covid , cashiers would only pack new disposable bags. Fair enough.
It was the same here in Queensland but now they are packing all bags again. Same there now?
Yes they have gone back to packing all bags in SA too now.
Well at least the supermarkets I go to, but am presuming g it is standard in all of them.
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Ours said over kids over 10 required to have one, so that might account for the kiddos, but not the adult. I have a feeling “required” is loosely enforced due to risk of altercation... it’s not worth losing a life, and sadly that’s happened. Who knew face masks could be so divisive. It might also be area dependent. The difference between WV and MD regulations is visibly obvious (we live minutes from the border) and that probably translates to different levels of willingness to participate. Mask usage in our immediate area in WV is a joke, 50/50 in stores, maybe. Next to zero in outdoor spaces including the frozen custard stand where people are in relatively close quarters while ordering and waiting. Wording on signs is “recommended” vs. “required” in MD. Restaurant guidelines are evidently much different as well - limited regular service in WV vs. MD still mostly carry out only from what we saw or maybe outdoor seating.Theoldguy1 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Masks required, and most people were actually wearing them properly! I am finding that I truly am having trouble with them though. I started getting light headed and dizzy in the store, I walked around holding the bottom open a little and deep breathing through my mouth... almost had to step out for a little while. Not fun I might have to compromise and make myself one out of a more open weave fabric. Less protection, but today was not fun.
I went in a Bass Pro Shop a couple weeks ago. Signs all over place saying masks were required. Guy with 3 little kids, none of the 4 with a mask, walk right by 2 employees standing at the entrance, nothing was said about lack of masks.
Even outdoor activity regulations were completely different. WV waived fishing licenses for a couple of months, encouraged people to get out and enjoy the outdoors, wildlife department was on social media encouraging people to post pics of their adventures. Camp grounds were closed, they did shoo off some larger gatherings at the river while we were there (launching watercrafts was OK). MD shut everything down. Fishing was for sustenance only and people were getting tickets left and right. My husband is tournament director for a chapter of a national tournament series and MD had revoked his permits until the week before the tournament, then sent out a list of guidelines that must be followed (social distancing and masks I believe) or he would risk being banned. We fully expected a game warden to pop in on Saturday.4 -
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Ours said over kids over 10 required to have one, so that might account for the kiddos, but not the adult. I have a feeling “required” is loosely enforced due to risk of altercation... it’s not worth losing a life, and sadly that’s happened. Who knew face masks could be so divisive. It might also be area dependent. The difference between WV and MD regulations is visibly obvious (we live minutes from the border) and that probably translates to different levels of willingness to participate. Mask usage in our immediate area in WV is a joke, 50/50 in stores, maybe. Next to zero in outdoor spaces including the frozen custard stand where people are in relatively close quarters while ordering and waiting. Wording on signs is “recommended” vs. “required” in MD. Restaurant guidelines are evidently much different as well - limited regular service in WV vs. MD still mostly carry out only from what we saw or maybe outdoor seating.Theoldguy1 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Masks required, and most people were actually wearing them properly! I am finding that I truly am having trouble with them though. I started getting light headed and dizzy in the store, I walked around holding the bottom open a little and deep breathing through my mouth... almost had to step out for a little while. Not fun I might have to compromise and make myself one out of a more open weave fabric. Less protection, but today was not fun.
I went in a Bass Pro Shop a couple weeks ago. Signs all over place saying masks were required. Guy with 3 little kids, none of the 4 with a mask, walk right by 2 employees standing at the entrance, nothing was said about lack of masks.
Even outdoor activity regulations were completely different. WV waived fishing licenses for a couple of months, encouraged people to get out and enjoy the outdoors, wildlife department was on social media encouraging people to post pics of their adventures. Camp grounds were closed, they did shoo off some larger gatherings at the river while we were there (launching watercrafts was OK). MD shut everything down. Fishing was for sustenance only and people were getting tickets left and right. My husband is tournament director for a chapter of a national tournament series and MD had revoked his permits until the week before the tournament, then sent out a list of guidelines that must be followed (social distancing and masks I believe) or he would risk being banned. We fully expected a game warden to pop in on Saturday.
Menards stores are strictly adhering to the mask rule. They have people at the entrance turning away customers for not having a mask. They will sell one to you if you so desire, but you won’t get in without one. It’s the only place I’ve been with 100% mask wearing.
The grocery store I most often shop at has always been bag your own groceries, and I’ve been shopping there for over 30 years, so no problem using reusable bags.3 -
moonangel12 wrote: »We were out and about a little today for Father’s Day. Pulling into the mall parking lot for Bass Pro Shops and seeing all the cars was unnerving and I think hubby was hesitant, but we drove nearly and hour and a half to get there... thankfully BPS wasn’t as visibly busy as we feared once inside. So many empty shelves though! He didn’t get several things he went specifically for... the guy said they get around 200 rod/reel combos and sell nearly that many the same day! (Were looking for 20 for a donation for a children’s home). Only a couple tackle boxes on the shelves, life jackets in smaller sizes were sparse (our older two needed to size up), trying to remember some of the other areas we noticed.
Masks required, and most people were actually wearing them properly! I am finding that I truly am having trouble with them though. I started getting light headed and dizzy in the store, I walked around holding the bottom open a little and deep breathing through my mouth... almost had to step out for a little while. Not fun I might have to compromise and make myself one out of a more open weave fabric. Less protection, but today was not fun.
Left there to get some food and where we stopped was carry out only, no restrooms. Tried McD’s because one of the kids needed to go and we had over an hour to get home. Nope. Next was Dick’s Sporting Goods because the one in WV had restroom access (we were in MD today), but they closed as we pulled up. So frustrating! We want to go places, sometimes just to ride around or for outdoor activities, but without bathroom access it makes it hard. I know the boat ramp we frequent would usually have a portapotty or two during the warm months but since the camping area is “closed” there isn’t one, and no trash cans either. The place has been nasty lately because people just don’t care, and I know the woods have turned into restroom facilities for the bookoos of people congregating there (or the river now that the water is warmer). Ew. One park/nature preserve we went to had portapotties available but signs that you had to supply your own hand sanitizer due to thefts.
I now have to temper my “just wear the dang mask it’s not that hard” just a teeny bit. My husband got me a different type of N95 from what he uses (he has the traditional looking blue roundish mask, he got me the 3M Vflex fold flat one, which is what all the nurses and support staff at his office are wearing now). Holy moly. That is made of what feels like a bazillion layers of tight synthetic material with an elastic that smushes it on tight (as it should be) and there is a definite feeling of claustrophobia/suffocation in the 95+ TN heat and humidity. I put it on in the car, wrangled masks on the kids, and by the time I was inside standing in a line I felt pretty light headed and a bit sick to my stomach from feeling stuck inside my own hot humid sweaty breath.
So I can feel a little empathy for people who are feeling the same. I will probably stick w my cloth mask for most occasions unless I will be indoors and close to people for an extended period of time (so probably not a trip to the grocery). I will not be wearing it on a day with a heat index of over 100 again, unless really necessary. I salute everyone who has to wear those things all day while walking around, heaving patients and gurneys around, etc.12 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »I just went to Lowe’s where I think every single person I saw had on a mask. Didn’t find what I wanted so I went to Lowe’s 10 miles away. I was the only shopper there with a mask. One employee had hers around her neck and one had hers sitting on her chin, just barely below her mouth. What’s up with people?
People get tired of being careful. If there's a second or third round of this virus, we'll all have to learn to do the right things again.
Unfortunately there is a large % of people who never were careful. Lots of those folks in my area, and 7 of them are my inlaws.
"I won't social distance, and I won't wear a mask. This is just another flu. And all this fuss is ridiculous." And I'm 100% certain that even if my mother-in-law got COVID and died or he infected his not-at-all healthy sisters and they died, he still would not learn this lesson. Hubby and I have been married 20 years in Sept, and I love my husband's family, but belligerent is not a strong enough word for them anymore. They don't understand or don't want to understand the science behind contracting the disease. Why don't they want to? Because if they did, then they'd have to make a choice that would require them to sacrifice a little bit of convenience for the benefit of other people. I didn't think they were those kind of people, but everyone's true colors are coming out this year in my life.
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Here's a link to what they played on NBC's Nightly News yesterday that some might find beneficial to introduce to those in your life you think might be receptive. It talks about recent studies on how masks protect others from us. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/how-scientists-test-face-mask-effectiveness-against-coronavirus-85552709675
But it's preaching to the choir, b/c the ones who care are already trying. So it's reassurance for us. I guess. Some people want to NOT believe in masks so badly and will just laugh it off. There are so many out there. So many.
Of course this also doesn't help people who are convinced that even though they have never distanced or worn masks this whole time and are constantly out running around in busy stores and have been around their 20-something children who are completely irresponsible, that they never would and could never have the virus even though they conceded that experts say people can carry it even though they don't show symptoms. I. Can't. Even. Yes, I am talking about my inlaws. Apparently there are a lot of asymptomatic people, but the laws of science don't apply to them personally so they can't possibly have it. My experience with trying to distance while letting them see the kids for the first time since lockdown yesterday was frustrating in the extreme. They knew what I wanted to do to protect my Dad and know what is supposed to be done, they just smirked at us and kept trying sly BS to encroach on our personal space. Hubby and I are both livid. They are smug and unrepentant.19 -
It is hard to understand, and/or justify, some people’s behavior, especially if it doesn’t correlate with yours. There’s plenty of instances, especially with Covid 19 and the social unrest throughout the world now. I’m glad to live in a world that allows people the freedom of their convictions, as long as they are peaceful, and allow me the same. As stated on this thread before, live by the golden rule, respect me and my space, and I’ll do likewise. An utopian philosophy, but, the world would be a much better place.8
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Simce some others were doing this, I started wearing my own masks to work instead of the disposable ones they provide. Trying to start some fashion trend, lol. Today is my #HashtagTheCowboy mask. Thanks, Tim.
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Here, in Italy, some masks are becoming fashion statements. The guy at the coffee bar has a big black mustache on his. In Rome, most are wearing masks and there are no protests as in the States. Some refuse to wear one, but can't enter stores, or other establishments without. I would put forward that fashion is a huge motivator. If famous people started wearing them and were interviewed, I dare say things might change.15
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ExistingFish wrote: »"LOL yeah, but it also means I spend more time in the store around other people, and those extra steps cause me to walk past more people, where if I just walked where I needed, I might not pass those people. So, does it really cut down risk? Or make it riskier?"
Write a list and stick to it is safest. Get in and out as fast as possible. We have almost zero active cases here and I still am doing that for now.
We have low cases in our county too.
We try to make a list. I was having trouble making a list this time because I'm on a special diet for 7-10 days and I literally had to shop for stuff to find stuff I could eat.
Whether or not you have a list, you might not realize something on your list is down an aisle until you pass it. I guess if you went up and down ever aisle so you didn't miss one, but that seems kind of excessive too.
Making the one-way aisles even more difficult for me is:
1. I'm shopping for my mom now too, and don't have her locations memorized
2. When the store is out of something, which has happened a lot this spring, they don't leave the empty space, but fill it with a nearby product, so I don't realize the item is missing, and search and search in circles for it. For two such items, I did note the aisles # and wrote this down on subsequent shopping lists.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »About Trump, Tulsa, and corona.
On June 19th, Tulsa county had reported 2070 corona cases since the pandemic started. Tulsa town spills out into other counties, but we report by county, and Tulsa town is mainly in Tulsa county. 721 of those cases were reported within the last 2 weeks, so an average of 51.5 people per day. 125 of those were reported on June 19th, 136 more were reported on June 20.
6 people who came to Tulsa early to set up for the Trump rally tested positive for corona.
How many Trump people took the virus home with them, and how many Tulsa people caught it from Trump people.
Pictures show many people without masks and very little social distancing.
Why shut down so many businesses to keep people from coming into direct contact with each other, then get together a group
Of several thousand people in one building, sitting next to each other?
Social distancing or not? If so, why? If not, why shut down business? Please help me understand.
I say the same thing about a lot of gathering I'm seeing. Wearing masks helps, but it isn't 100%. All my races were cancelled or re-scheduled... that helps, but it needs to be everything. We did 2 months of a few things getting closed, called it a "shutdown" and then went on with "re-opening" a lot of things that were never really closed anyway. It's a half-way approach with some benefits to slow the spread, but not even close to enough to stop the virus. When I expressed this point months ago, many reminded me that the point never was to stop the spread. It was to slow the spread / flatten the curve to give the healthcare system sufficient time to prepare. Except our healthcare system is no better prepared than it was in Feb. and Mar. In fact, we see Florida has just about run out of ICU beds and they are seeing more new cases each day than the prior day. So flattening the curve failed and we really should have instead gone further to actually try to stop the spread.
Flattening the curve has not failed in NM. It has worked pretty well, but that's because we actually did shut things down for quite some time. It's still here, but we aren't seeing growth...numbers are pretty static. We pretty much shut everything down March 13 or thereabouts...pretty much everything except grocery stores remained closed until early June. We just opened up restaurants for dine in at 20% of max capacity a couple weeks ago along with "non essential" stores. I imagine will continue to see these capacity restrictions in place for some time.2 -
baconslave wrote: »Here's a link to what they played on NBC's Nightly News yesterday that some might find beneficial to introduce to those in your life you think might be receptive. It talks about recent studies on how masks protect others from us. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/how-scientists-test-face-mask-effectiveness-against-coronavirus-85552709675
But it's preaching to the choir, b/c the ones who care are already trying. So it's reassurance for us. I guess. Some people want to NOT believe in masks so badly and will just laugh it off. There are so many out there. So many.
Of course this also doesn't help people who are convinced that even though they have never distanced or worn masks this whole time and are constantly out running around in busy stores and have been around their 20-something children who are completely irresponsible, that they never would and could never have the virus even though they conceded that experts say people can carry it even though they don't show symptoms. I. Can't. Even. Yes, I am talking about my inlaws. Apparently there are a lot of asymptomatic people, but the laws of science don't apply to them personally so they can't possibly have it. My experience with trying to distance while letting them see the kids for the first time since lockdown yesterday was frustrating in the extreme. They knew what I wanted to do to protect my Dad and know what is supposed to be done, they just smirked at us and kept trying sly BS to encroach on our personal space. Hubby and I are both livid. They are smug and unrepentant.
If it were my dad at risk, they could be smug by themselves without seeing the grandkids from now on. And my husband would be the one to tell his parents the news, not me! I don’t blame you for being livid!12 -
baconslave wrote: »Here's a link to what they played on NBC's Nightly News yesterday that some might find beneficial to introduce to those in your life you think might be receptive. It talks about recent studies on how masks protect others from us. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/how-scientists-test-face-mask-effectiveness-against-coronavirus-85552709675
But it's preaching to the choir, b/c the ones who care are already trying. So it's reassurance for us. I guess. Some people want to NOT believe in masks so badly and will just laugh it off. There are so many out there. So many.
Of course this also doesn't help people who are convinced that even though they have never distanced or worn masks this whole time and are constantly out running around in busy stores and have been around their 20-something children who are completely irresponsible, that they never would and could never have the virus even though they conceded that experts say people can carry it even though they don't show symptoms. I. Can't. Even. Yes, I am talking about my inlaws. Apparently there are a lot of asymptomatic people, but the laws of science don't apply to them personally so they can't possibly have it. My experience with trying to distance while letting them see the kids for the first time since lockdown yesterday was frustrating in the extreme. They knew what I wanted to do to protect my Dad and know what is supposed to be done, they just smirked at us and kept trying sly BS to encroach on our personal space. Hubby and I are both livid. They are smug and unrepentant.
I've never understood this sort of behavior, where people with certain beliefs deliberately try to sabotage others who believe differently.
An example I've met in real life is people who intentionally include animal products in a dish to tweak their vegan/vegetarian friends, lie about it to them, but laugh about it with others. The "cough on or bump into people who wear masks" kind of thing is similar.
Even though I may not like it, I can see why people may be oblivious or disbelieving and do certain things in line with their beliefs (like pass close to people rather than stepping to 6 foot distance), but I don't get the side of this where people are deliberately aggressive. It's rude.13 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »But yesterday I shopped at a Whole Foods in an urbanized retail area where I had to park in a garage in the next block so I had to use the paper bags they require customers to use instead of reusable bags for now. I lost about five dollars worth of cut fruit when I got home and lifted the paper bags out of the car, splitting open the plastic container of fruit and spilling it on the street.
Keep some elastic bands in your purse or vehicle to wrap around the container. One of our big grocery chains here (where we have always bagged our own purchases) will secure plastic clamshell packaging with an elastic to prevent accidental opening.
It wasn't a case of the lid popping open. The entire container split/cracked when it hit the pavement. Some of our stores around here have rubber bands for containers you fill yourself, but they don't normally do it for pre-filled containers that are sealed with an adhesive label with the weight and price. You can't do fill-it-yourself containers around here anymore, since COVID. No salad bars or olive bars or hot food bars, etc.
Ah, I misunderstood. I've had cans of pop break open when they hit pavement so I'm not surprised light plastic split.
Here small things like berries or grape tomatoes are sold in one or two pint clamshells and are priced by item, not weight. Those are the things that will get secured because the only thing holding them closed are those little interlocking corner dimple things (which work incredibly well when you want to open it
). Deli salads and baked goods have the label seal. 2 -
paperpudding wrote: »Re usable bags have been fine at supermarkets here throughout this.
Most people have them because recycling has been such a big thing here and you have to pay for disposable bags.
But you had to pack your own bags during Covid , cashiers would only pack new disposable bags. Fair enough.
Basically the same here, although the charge for disposable bags has been waived since Covid started. I see some stores are starting to charge again.
One cashier chastised me for bringing my own bag saying it was a "risk" for her, even with me packing it myself. I don't see how it was any more risky than my purse or my jacket, all of which remained on my side of the plexiglass barrier and had no contact with her, but I didn't argue.4 -
Thank you Gale for the covid/microbiome link. Its long been known the state of one's microbiome is effected by the use of antibiotics and other medications. Mental health is another area which has seen benefits when the microbiome is repaired. It makes so much sense to me that stabilising ones digestive tract is key to achieving health benefits. My Hashimoto's has benefited from sorting my gut issues.
You are welcome. Why keto worked for me so well never made sense to me until I learned about the gut microbiome is a major source of health or the lack thereof in humans. That was when I realized my keto/low carb way of eating was not magic but that my new WOE (Oct 2014) was impacting my gut microbiome in a positive way that was reversing life long health issues. I was glad this happened before Coronavirus Prep became the rage it is today. Below are 19 disease states that can often be related directly to the balance of one's gut microbiome. You will notice some disease states that increase the risk of health complications from COVID-19 are in the list below.
19 Surprising Conditions That Begin in the Gut
1. Anxiety
2. Depression
3. Eczema
4. Rosacea
5. Psoriasis
6. Dermatitis herpetiformis
7. Heart disease
8. Dementia & Alzheimer's disease
9. Parkinson’s disease
10. Autoimmune diseases
11. Migraines
12. Allergies
13. Asthma
14. Cancer
15. Chronic fatigue syndrome
16. Obesity
17. Type 2 diabetes
18. Osteoarthritis
19. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease
Source:
https://viome.com/blog/suspicious-gut-microbiome-19-conditions-linked-dysbiosis
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Our state has directed no reusable grocey bags and all the stores have large signs reflecting this guidance. Going through the store a couple had their entire cart filled with stuff in reusable bags..
Hopefully cashier tells them sorry can't check out.
Some of our stores are spraying the reusable bags on entry, just as they spray our hands as we enter the building.
Haven't heard of spraying hands when entering a store. I'd think that would be an issue should someone show up as allergic to something in the spray they use.
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moonangel12 wrote: »We were out and about a little today for Father’s Day. Pulling into the mall parking lot for Bass Pro Shops and seeing all the cars was unnerving and I think hubby was hesitant, but we drove nearly and hour and a half to get there... thankfully BPS wasn’t as visibly busy as we feared once inside. So many empty shelves though! He didn’t get several things he went specifically for... the guy said they get around 200 rod/reel combos and sell nearly that many the same day! (Were looking for 20 for a donation for a children’s home). Only a couple tackle boxes on the shelves, life jackets in smaller sizes were sparse (our older two needed to size up), trying to remember some of the other areas we noticed.
Masks required, and most people were actually wearing them properly! I am finding that I truly am having trouble with them though. I started getting light headed and dizzy in the store, I walked around holding the bottom open a little and deep breathing through my mouth... almost had to step out for a little while. Not fun I might have to compromise and make myself one out of a more open weave fabric. Less protection, but today was not fun.
Left there to get some food and where we stopped was carry out only, no restrooms. Tried McD’s because one of the kids needed to go and we had over an hour to get home. Nope. Next was Dick’s Sporting Goods because the one in WV had restroom access (we were in MD today), but they closed as we pulled up. So frustrating! We want to go places, sometimes just to ride around or for outdoor activities, but without bathroom access it makes it hard. I know the boat ramp we frequent would usually have a portapotty or two during the warm months but since the camping area is “closed” there isn’t one, and no trash cans either. The place has been nasty lately because people just don’t care, and I know the woods have turned into restroom facilities for the bookoos of people congregating there (or the river now that the water is warmer). Ew. One park/nature preserve we went to had portapotties available but signs that you had to supply your own hand sanitizer due to thefts.
Yeah, I think for a while yet I'm not going to be comfortable getting more than a half hour or so from home because I'm not ready to use a public toilet, what with all the talk of coronavirus being present in human waste and then being spread into the air when the toilet is flushed. Most public toilets in the U.S. don't even have lids, and if they do, you wouldn't know until you opened the door whether the last person had put the lid down (apparently).7 -
If you're traveling and staying in hotels/motels....pillows, mattress covers. Yuck, I need a bucket.
https://www.newsweek.com/presymptomatic-patients-contaminate-covid-hotel-rooms-15053022 -
baconslave wrote: »Here's a link to what they played on NBC's Nightly News yesterday that some might find beneficial to introduce to those in your life you think might be receptive. It talks about recent studies on how masks protect others from us. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/how-scientists-test-face-mask-effectiveness-against-coronavirus-85552709675
But it's preaching to the choir, b/c the ones who care are already trying. So it's reassurance for us. I guess. Some people want to NOT believe in masks so badly and will just laugh it off. There are so many out there. So many.
Of course this also doesn't help people who are convinced that even though they have never distanced or worn masks this whole time and are constantly out running around in busy stores and have been around their 20-something children who are completely irresponsible, that they never would and could never have the virus even though they conceded that experts say people can carry it even though they don't show symptoms. I. Can't. Even. Yes, I am talking about my inlaws. Apparently there are a lot of asymptomatic people, but the laws of science don't apply to them personally so they can't possibly have it. My experience with trying to distance while letting them see the kids for the first time since lockdown yesterday was frustrating in the extreme. They knew what I wanted to do to protect my Dad and know what is supposed to be done, they just smirked at us and kept trying sly BS to encroach on our personal space. Hubby and I are both livid. They are smug and unrepentant.
I've never understood this sort of behavior, where people with certain beliefs deliberately try to sabotage others who believe differently.
An example I've met in real life is people who intentionally include animal products in a dish to tweak their vegan/vegetarian friends, lie about it to them, but laugh about it with others. The "cough on or bump into people who wear masks" kind of thing is similar.
Even though I may not like it, I can see why people may be oblivious or disbelieving and do certain things in line with their beliefs (like pass close to people rather than stepping to 6 foot distance), but I don't get the side of this where people are deliberately aggressive. It's rude.
I don't understand either.
I strongly disagree with those who won't follow guidelines b/c their decision not only encroaches upon the freedom of my entire family and my father to enjoy our "open" state (properly social distanced and masked of course), but it also encroaches upon everyone's health. If we all followed them, most of us could reclaim more freedom instead of a large group taking it all and leaving many with none at all. Then we can all stay more open and not have to shut down as tightly again. But that is delayed gratification which a lot of folk just don't understand apparently.
Despite the strength of my convictions, I don't glare at people who aren't wearing masks or hate on them on social media or "Karen" my friends who don't agree with me. I just sigh and go about my business and adapt to the reality that my teens can't do anything b/c of decisions other people have made for us. And neither can anyone else in my house. Dad lives in our other house on the property so we can quarantine from him when we get exposed. But it is NOT good for him to be by himself too much. Not that we'd do things that we know would expose us, because we don't want to be around spreading the virus asymptomatically. That's being part of the problem.
And I didn't chew out my inlaws even though they really deserve it. Though my husband did order my father-in-law masks with brands he likes on them as one of his Father's Day gifts. Not the only gift but one of several. He didn't chew them out either, even though he REALLY wanted to because they were jerks. Partially because he knows it would be like talking to a rock. Nothing will change.
All I can figure is that a great section of humanity never matures beyond junior high or high school. Or they regress back to these attitudes over time.
We literally have an entire contingent of Biff Tannens (Back to the Future films) who are reinforced by positive responses online and in the media and so it spreads, a lot like a virus. 13 -
Interestingly enough, my county health dept. is now offering testing for all who want it. Just a couple weeks ago, they were telling everyone that we should only be tested if we have "severe symptoms" and that we should see our own dr. before going to the health dept. Like they were rationing teats... Things are changing fast and this time, it is in a good way.5
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It's interesting, we're seeing a lot of the same arguments that came up when public places and private businesses all started to ban smoking. People lamented about their personal freedoms and said "If I want to take the risk, then that's my business and my right."
But, both with mask wearing and smoking, it does NOT just affect you. You put everyone around you at risk, including people who are working and not able to choose whether or not to be around you.
Eventually, as no-smoking regulations became more common, a lot of these arguments died down, and people accepted it. Maybe we'll get there with the masks if more municipalities mandate it.12 -
The mask thing. I knew that road ran both directions at hello.
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Diatonic12 wrote: »The mask thing. I knew that road ran both directions at hello.
Doesn't make sense... not sure where this is located, but not in the U.S. Our standards for roads here is that dividing lines between lanes of traffic traveling in opposite directions are yellow. For dividing lanes of traffic going the same direction, the lines are white.4 -
I've been lurking on here and found it fascinating to read how other states or countries are handling the pandemic. I know a lot of individuals who have tested positive are 65+ or with underlying conditions, but I just found our my kid's summer nanny (21 year old healthy college student) tested positive. Thank goodness my kids were gone visiting my parents during the time frame she was around 1 friend who tested positive which prompted her to get tested. Seriously it was a one day difference when she was with my kids then saw her friend (who she hasn't seen in a month). I'm praying she doesn't suffer too much from it (so far she hasn't) and hopefully in 2-weeks she'll be symptom free and her doctor says she can return to society and my kids lives.11
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We talked a while ago about Mom & Pop restaurants and bars. Just on an update to that from Tucson, one Greek restaurant that had been in business for 30 years and was picked as the best Greek restaurant in Tucson last year just went under. And the Chicago Bar that celebrated everything Chicago also went under after 20 years or so. Very sad.
On the flip side, the music hall near us (where all us older folks dance) has gotten creative and they either bought or rented a stage and have moved all of their concerts this year to the parking lot, kind of drive in style with car hops coming to your car for drinks. We are going Wednesday of this week and next week as well. Not sure we'll dance at 106 degrees, but we might. You never know when my wife has had a couple drinks. I'm just along for the ride. I do as I'm told. She's a great dancer and needs to get her groove on. I've been told I'm not bad for an old white dude
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Here, in Italy, some masks are becoming fashion statements. The guy at the coffee bar has a big black mustache on his. In Rome, most are wearing masks and there are no protests as in the States. Some refuse to wear one, but can't enter stores, or other establishments without. I would put forward that fashion is a huge motivator. If famous people started wearing them and were interviewed, I dare say things might change.
I would suggest that most people not wearing masks couldn't give a rat's behind what some "influencer" (man I hate that word) or self-defined fashion expert wearing a mask was saying.
Oh yeh? Don't hang around young folks much, do you? 5
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