Coronavirus prep

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  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    ExistingFish wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    "LOL yeah, but it also means I spend more time in the store around other people, and those extra steps cause me to walk past more people, where if I just walked where I needed, I might not pass those people. So, does it really cut down risk? Or make it riskier?"

    Write a list and stick to it is safest. Get in and out as fast as possible. We have almost zero active cases here and I still am doing that for now.

    We have low cases in our county too.

    We try to make a list. I was having trouble making a list this time because I'm on a special diet for 7-10 days and I literally had to shop for stuff to find stuff I could eat.

    Whether or not you have a list, you might not realize something on your list is down an aisle until you pass it. I guess if you went up and down ever aisle so you didn't miss one, but that seems kind of excessive too.

    Making the one-way aisles even more difficult for me is:
    1. I'm shopping for my mom now too, and don't have her locations memorized
    2. When the store is out of something, which has happened a lot this spring, they don't leave the empty space, but fill it with a nearby product, so I don't realize the item is missing, and search and search in circles for it. For two such items, I did note the aisles # and wrote this down on subsequent shopping lists.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    corinasue1143 wrote: »
    About Trump, Tulsa, and corona.
    On June 19th, Tulsa county had reported 2070 corona cases since the pandemic started. Tulsa town spills out into other counties, but we report by county, and Tulsa town is mainly in Tulsa county. 721 of those cases were reported within the last 2 weeks, so an average of 51.5 people per day. 125 of those were reported on June 19th, 136 more were reported on June 20.

    6 people who came to Tulsa early to set up for the Trump rally tested positive for corona.

    How many Trump people took the virus home with them, and how many Tulsa people caught it from Trump people.

    Pictures show many people without masks and very little social distancing.

    Why shut down so many businesses to keep people from coming into direct contact with each other, then get together a group
    Of several thousand people in one building, sitting next to each other?

    Social distancing or not? If so, why? If not, why shut down business? Please help me understand.

    I say the same thing about a lot of gathering I'm seeing. Wearing masks helps, but it isn't 100%. All my races were cancelled or re-scheduled... that helps, but it needs to be everything. We did 2 months of a few things getting closed, called it a "shutdown" and then went on with "re-opening" a lot of things that were never really closed anyway. It's a half-way approach with some benefits to slow the spread, but not even close to enough to stop the virus. When I expressed this point months ago, many reminded me that the point never was to stop the spread. It was to slow the spread / flatten the curve to give the healthcare system sufficient time to prepare. Except our healthcare system is no better prepared than it was in Feb. and Mar. In fact, we see Florida has just about run out of ICU beds and they are seeing more new cases each day than the prior day. So flattening the curve failed and we really should have instead gone further to actually try to stop the spread.

    Flattening the curve has not failed in NM. It has worked pretty well, but that's because we actually did shut things down for quite some time. It's still here, but we aren't seeing growth...numbers are pretty static. We pretty much shut everything down March 13 or thereabouts...pretty much everything except grocery stores remained closed until early June. We just opened up restaurants for dine in at 20% of max capacity a couple weeks ago along with "non essential" stores. I imagine will continue to see these capacity restrictions in place for some time.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    But yesterday I shopped at a Whole Foods in an urbanized retail area where I had to park in a garage in the next block so I had to use the paper bags they require customers to use instead of reusable bags for now. I lost about five dollars worth of cut fruit when I got home and lifted the paper bags out of the car, splitting open the plastic container of fruit and spilling it on the street.

    Keep some elastic bands in your purse or vehicle to wrap around the container. One of our big grocery chains here (where we have always bagged our own purchases) will secure plastic clamshell packaging with an elastic to prevent accidental opening.

    It wasn't a case of the lid popping open. The entire container split/cracked when it hit the pavement. Some of our stores around here have rubber bands for containers you fill yourself, but they don't normally do it for pre-filled containers that are sealed with an adhesive label with the weight and price. You can't do fill-it-yourself containers around here anymore, since COVID. No salad bars or olive bars or hot food bars, etc.

    Ah, I misunderstood. I've had cans of pop break open when they hit pavement so I'm not surprised light plastic split.

    Here small things like berries or grape tomatoes are sold in one or two pint clamshells and are priced by item, not weight. Those are the things that will get secured because the only thing holding them closed are those little interlocking corner dimple things (which work incredibly well when you want to open it :D ). Deli salads and baked goods have the label seal.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    paperpudding wrote: »
    Re usable bags have been fine at supermarkets here throughout this.

    Most people have them because recycling has been such a big thing here and you have to pay for disposable bags.

    But you had to pack your own bags during Covid , cashiers would only pack new disposable bags. Fair enough.

    Basically the same here, although the charge for disposable bags has been waived since Covid started. I see some stores are starting to charge again.

    One cashier chastised me for bringing my own bag saying it was a "risk" for her, even with me packing it myself. I don't see how it was any more risky than my purse or my jacket, all of which remained on my side of the plexiglass barrier and had no contact with her, but I didn't argue.
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    edited June 2020
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Thank you Gale for the covid/microbiome link. Its long been known the state of one's microbiome is effected by the use of antibiotics and other medications. Mental health is another area which has seen benefits when the microbiome is repaired. It makes so much sense to me that stabilising ones digestive tract is key to achieving health benefits. My Hashimoto's has benefited from sorting my gut issues.

    You are welcome. Why keto worked for me so well never made sense to me until I learned about the gut microbiome is a major source of health or the lack thereof in humans. That was when I realized my keto/low carb way of eating was not magic but that my new WOE (Oct 2014) was impacting my gut microbiome in a positive way that was reversing life long health issues. I was glad this happened before Coronavirus Prep became the rage it is today. Below are 19 disease states that can often be related directly to the balance of one's gut microbiome. You will notice some disease states that increase the risk of health complications from COVID-19 are in the list below.

    19 Surprising Conditions That Begin in the Gut

    1. Anxiety

    2. Depression

    3. Eczema

    4. Rosacea

    5. Psoriasis

    6. Dermatitis herpetiformis

    7. Heart disease

    8. Dementia & Alzheimer's disease

    9. Parkinson’s disease

    10. Autoimmune diseases

    11. Migraines

    12. Allergies

    13. Asthma

    14. Cancer

    15. Chronic fatigue syndrome

    16. Obesity

    17. Type 2 diabetes

    18. Osteoarthritis

    19. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease


    Source:

    https://viome.com/blog/suspicious-gut-microbiome-19-conditions-linked-dysbiosis





  • TonyB0588
    TonyB0588 Posts: 9,520 Member
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    TonyB0588 wrote: »
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    Our state has directed no reusable grocey bags and all the stores have large signs reflecting this guidance. Going through the store a couple had their entire cart filled with stuff in reusable bags..

    Hopefully cashier tells them sorry can't check out.

    Some of our stores are spraying the reusable bags on entry, just as they spray our hands as we enter the building.

    Haven't heard of spraying hands when entering a store. I'd think that would be an issue should someone show up as allergic to something in the spray they use.

    No choice. Temperature gun, face mask, sanitiser spray, or No Entry!!
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    If you're traveling and staying in hotels/motels....pillows, mattress covers. Yuck, I need a bucket. :p


    https://www.newsweek.com/presymptomatic-patients-contaminate-covid-hotel-rooms-1505302
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    The mask thing. I knew that road ran both directions at hello.



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  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    The mask thing. I knew that road ran both directions at hello.



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    Doesn't make sense... not sure where this is located, but not in the U.S. Our standards for roads here is that dividing lines between lanes of traffic traveling in opposite directions are yellow. For dividing lanes of traffic going the same direction, the lines are white.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,123 Member
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    Here, in Italy, some masks are becoming fashion statements. The guy at the coffee bar has a big black mustache on his. In Rome, most are wearing masks and there are no protests as in the States. Some refuse to wear one, but can't enter stores, or other establishments without. I would put forward that fashion is a huge motivator. If famous people started wearing them and were interviewed, I dare say things might change.

    I would suggest that most people not wearing masks couldn't give a rat's behind what some "influencer" (man I hate that word) or self-defined fashion expert wearing a mask was saying.

    I think you underestimate the power of pop culture to affect the behavior of some percentage of not-very-rational people. Every mask rebel? No, not every one. Not even a majority. But some. Just my opinion, obviously.

    I doubt we'll get a chance to test the proposition, though. :lol:
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    Here, in Italy, some masks are becoming fashion statements. The guy at the coffee bar has a big black mustache on his. In Rome, most are wearing masks and there are no protests as in the States. Some refuse to wear one, but can't enter stores, or other establishments without. I would put forward that fashion is a huge motivator. If famous people started wearing them and were interviewed, I dare say things might change.

    I would suggest that most people not wearing masks couldn't give a rat's behind what some "influencer" (man I hate that word) or self-defined fashion expert wearing a mask was saying.

    Oh yeh? Don't hang around young folks much, do you? ;)

    It's not really the young people here not complying...it's mostly middle age, "you can't take my freedoms" people. It has also stupidly become a big partisan politics thing.

    Our compliance is fairly high on all fronts, and numbers keep going down. But, in the beginning, when we started Lockdown, a goodly number of famous people--singers, actors, etc, did zooms, and other clips, explaining why it was necessary. This went on for several weeks. I think it set the tone for everyone. I don't like a lot of these people, and don't follow their lead, but it was helpful for a wide swath of the public. Does everyone here wear a mask--no. Does everyone wear it properly--no. But the majority (including myself) do. I'm noticing some fun masks as I go about Rome, and I think that helps.
    We will be wearing them when we go to the beach next week. There's a complicated procedure for access. Wear masks, temps taken, bracelet to be worn to register comings and goings, turnstile, no beach bar just vending machines, and umbrellas further apart. Masks are to be worn until you reach your umbrella and chairs. Only 4 adults under every umbrella. Either you do it, or no access. Same with stores. It's sort of like "no shirt, no shoes, no service".

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