Coronavirus prep
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I suppose I lean heavily toward the idea that the CDC lied to us versus they learned something new.
Which gives me very little confidence that they have individual well being high on the list at all.
I started wearing a mask to the grocery in March before almost anyone was because it was obvious that ANY protection was better than none to sneezes and coughs. Those droplets which carry the virus are big enough to be stopped by a mask. It was also known early on that asymptomatic folks could shed the virus to others. I also requested to work remotely mid March as soon as a single case was identified in our State. Before the SIP orders started or the closing downs started.
It makes me ANGRY in a lot of ways because even a bandana is better than nothing and I seriously doubt folks like me were going to stock pile medical grade masks or even have the ability to mass purchase them.
Just venting but I can't agree that they "learned" something. They knew this early on from China.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Dr. Gupta was talking on MSNBC yesterday about how the countries that have done better than the U.S. have much more "tests per confirmed case." We have 12 tests for each confirmed case here in the U.S. Other countries test rates per confirmed case are much higher: New Zealand - 270, Estonia - about 70, South Korea - about 90. And yet we have 12 per confirmed case. Testing is an important piece of the puzzle.
Trying to understand the point you're making. Does this make the USA "good" or "bad"?
If I understand it correctly, it seems like they're finding 1 sick person for every 12 tested. Where I live there is only 1 sick person for every 80 people tested. On the other hand, the chart seems to be showing the USA tests just over 3 times as many persons per million of population than we're doing here. Another point though is that we had very few deaths from our COVID cases.
It isn't "good" nor "bad." This isn't about a personal judgement. The point is that the U.S. should expand testing.7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.
The problem with the mask messaging isn’t that the experts changed their minds but that they provided false information. It’s not news that masks prevent transmission of airborne viruses - Asian nations have done studies on it for decades. Americans were told they didn’t help not because the experts believed that and later changed their minds, but because they initially wanted the general public to stop stockpiling masks so that medical professionals would have enough. Americans are STILL being told the obvious untruth that “cloth face coverings work just as well unless you are a doctor.” Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren’t. The person wearing them doesn’t change the quality of the mask and its effectiveness.
Learning is a good thing. Lying is a bad thing.
First bolded: We disagree somewhat on this, as we have in the past. I think that's partially true. I think it's also partially true that initially, it was less evident how the virus was spread interpersonally. It would've been a good idea, then, IMO, to err on the side of caution and recommend homemade masks. I agree that concerns about mask supply were given too much weight (or maybe not "too much" given what happened with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and (WTH?) bottled water, but that's another discussion.) I think human experts are also entitled to be mistaken, and even temporarily wrong-headed, though I find that less admirable than simple learning.
Second bolded: Maybe I'm viewing selectively, but I haven't seen anything like that recently at all. I've seen "less effective than N95 masks, but still meaningfully helpful; and homemade are easy to get". Locally, the health professionals were using home-made masks for a time (hospital system was accepting donations of them, and using them), when commercial masks were in critically short supply, so if behavior is an endorsement, that's an endorsement.
"Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren't" isn't IMO the way to look at it. The question is whether cloth masks are better than no masks. Isolation bubbles with microfiltered air supplies and hazmat suits would probably be more effective than n95 masks, but no one's suggesting that. Practicality is a dimension.
My understanding is that cloth or paper masks help most when worn by an infected person (regardless of whether they have symptoms) and that the N95 helps most when worn by a non-infected person. Keeping N95 for healthcare workers was to keep them (the people wearing N95) from getting infected.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »The US has had conflicting information which created distrust. At first we were told not to wear masks because they didn't work, then we were told to wear them because they work, then we were told we were lied to at first because we didn't have enough masks. We've all seen this type of stuff on TV shows, just trying to keep people calm.
I've anonymized the quote, because I don't mean the reponse to be personal. This is a kind of idea I've seen fairly often, in various places, basically that the experts undermined people's confidence by changing their minds.
WTflippieDip?
Speaking for myself, I want experts to keep learning, and - if the things they learn lead them in this direction - to change their minds, admit they were wrong, and change their advice to us. That behavior increases my confidence in them.
The idea that an expert does (or ought to) know all the ins and outs up front, especially in a situation with important novel elements . . . I think that's wrong. They're regular humans, not omniscient god-like creatures. They learn and adjust (please!).
We can learn and adjust, too, if we can take that same posture, of trying to understand as more knowledge becomes available.
What's the alternative? Is someone just supposed to give us the right orders on day one, and we follow that directive blindly, even if it heads right over the cliff?
Sorry, I'm getting hyperbolic.
The problem with the mask messaging isn’t that the experts changed their minds but that they provided false information. It’s not news that masks prevent transmission of airborne viruses - Asian nations have done studies on it for decades. Americans were told they didn’t help not because the experts believed that and later changed their minds, but because they initially wanted the general public to stop stockpiling masks so that medical professionals would have enough. Americans are STILL being told the obvious untruth that “cloth face coverings work just as well unless you are a doctor.” Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren’t. The person wearing them doesn’t change the quality of the mask and its effectiveness.
Learning is a good thing. Lying is a bad thing.
First bolded: We disagree somewhat on this, as we have in the past. I think that's partially true. I think it's also partially true that initially, it was less evident how the virus was spread interpersonally. It would've been a good idea, then, IMO, to err on the side of caution and recommend homemade masks. I agree that concerns about mask supply were given too much weight (or maybe not "too much" given what happened with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and (WTH?) bottled water, but that's another discussion.) I think human experts are also entitled to be mistaken, and even temporarily wrong-headed, though I find that less admirable than simple learning.
Second bolded: Maybe I'm viewing selectively, but I haven't seen anything like that recently at all. I've seen "less effective than N95 masks, but still meaningfully helpful; and homemade are easy to get". Locally, the health professionals were using home-made masks for a time (hospital system was accepting donations of them, and using them), when commercial masks were in critically short supply, so if behavior is an endorsement, that's an endorsement.
"Either cloth masks are as good as n95 masks, or they aren't" isn't IMO the way to look at it. The question is whether cloth masks are better than no masks. Isolation bubbles with microfiltered air supplies and hazmat suits would probably be more effective than n95 masks, but no one's suggesting that. Practicality is a dimension.
Unfortunately, I know far too many people who think that because health experts have changed their recommendations and understanding over the last several months, there's no reason to think anything they are saying now is good info. It's mindboggling to me, but I think it piggybacks on people who will roll their eyes at any expert health recommendations and respond with "First eggs are good for you, then eggs are bad for you, coffee is good for you, coffee will kill you. They don't know anything for sure!" This general mistrust of the medical community paired with a lack of understanding of the scientific process continues to bite us in the buttinsky.
A relative expressed disbelief that "we haven't figured this virus out yet. It's been months!"
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »The tp situation in Iowa is much better than it was, but still hard to find hand sanitizer, hand or household wipes, and hand soap. Most of the food we eat has been available most of the time. We buy beef from our cousin & have a chest freezer, so not running out of meat anytime soon. Mask wearing is kind of hit & miss. My gs estimated the other day about 75% compliance at Walmart that day. A different Walmart a different day & dh said he was about the only one with a mask. Our numbers are confusing, because they are using a moving number, but seem to be holding around 3-400 new cases per day. For awhile, a lot of our cases were from meat processing plants & nursing homes, too. Not sure about now.
Still having shortages?! Here the fear is that some businesses will be caught with surplus of certain products now that the emergency needs have lessened.
Mask wearing is compulsory for visiting any retail store, so that's nearer to 100% indoors, but not so much on the streets. (I seldom wear one, because I'm not the shopper in our house). Wore a mask to the bank two months ago to make the first of a series of recurring payments. Immediately set up an online option so I didn't have to go back there the second month.2 -
There are also issues with the 'experts' who sent sick Covid patients into nursing homes, where they infected and ultimately killed thousands of old people. And then the issue of counting as a Covid death anyone who is suspected of having the virus, even if they were shot or in a car accident or had been dieing of cancer.2
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »There are also issues with the 'experts' who sent sick Covid patients into nursing homes, where they infected and ultimately killed thousands of old people. And then the issue of counting as a Covid death anyone who is suspected of having the virus, even if they were shot or in a car accident or had been dieing of cancer.
This is not the first I have heard rumors of over-reported Covid deaths, but have yet to know of a specific case. On the other hand, I personally know of a case where the patient had all the symptoms of Covid and died, but was not ruled as a Covid death due to a negative test result. Never mind that the company doing tests at that location was found to have a flaw that caused a lot of false negatives... it still didn't count. I can name at least one possibly under-reported death from someone I knew personally. Can anyone name the over-reported deaths?15 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »There are also issues with the 'experts' who sent sick Covid patients into nursing homes, where they infected and ultimately killed thousands of old people. And then the issue of counting as a Covid death anyone who is suspected of having the virus, even if they were shot or in a car accident or had been dieing of cancer.
My understanding is if you compare CDC numbers of deaths by various causes this year to last, rates of death by other causes are about the same, and deaths by flu and pneumonia are actually higher than last year. I will admit freely that I haven't seen the numbers myself.
I've seen some tabloid style clickbait stories and Twitter memes that assert deaths are being misattributed to covid so flagrantly, but nothing credible or backed up by any sort of official citation.10 -
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
Interesting piece on how flu death rates are calculated (spoiler: it's not by counting)
It's my impression that Covid death rates are being under-reported in many countries with inadequate health care systems. People are just dying, without having received medical attention or any testing, so the deaths that are due to Covid are going uncounted.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Stuff I can’t get that I need: chickpeas. Seriously, is there some deal with chickpeas? No one locally has had any in stock for months now.
My wild theory: people started buying them to use the aquafaba as an egg replacement, because eggs were sold out.5 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I suppose I lean heavily toward the idea that the CDC lied to us versus they learned something new.
Which gives me very little confidence that they have individual well being high on the list at all.
I started wearing a mask to the grocery in March before almost anyone was because it was obvious that ANY protection was better than none to sneezes and coughs. Those droplets which carry the virus are big enough to be stopped by a mask. It was also known early on that asymptomatic folks could shed the virus to others. I also requested to work remotely mid March as soon as a single case was identified in our State. Before the SIP orders started or the closing downs started.
It makes me ANGRY in a lot of ways because even a bandana is better than nothing and I seriously doubt folks like me were going to stock pile medical grade masks or even have the ability to mass purchase them.
Just venting but I can't agree that they "learned" something. They knew this early on from China.
I got irritated at a story on our local news just tonight about how "bad" bandanas are at stopping droplets, because a simulated sneeze or cough spread droplets up to two feet through a bandana, compared to about half a foot through a quilted homemade mask. But they finally mentioned that without any face covering, simulated sneezes and coughs spread droplets up to eight feet (farther than the six-foot "safe" distance we're all being told to observe). So bandanas are much better than nothing. It was essentially a click bait story. If they had "teased" it and presented it as, "here's the relative value of different face coverings" instead of "bandanas are useless," that would have been fine.8 -
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
Interesting piece on how flu death rates are calculated (spoiler: it's not by counting)
It's my impression that Covid death rates are being under-reported in many countries with inadequate health care systems. People are just dying, without having received medical attention or any testing, so the deaths that are due to Covid are going uncounted.
That definitely sounds like the U.S.9 -
Why are some stores able to have a good supply of most everything on hand yet another store has bare shelves up the ying-yang? And the better stocked store is a family-owned group of 3 stores. This is why I find myself going more times to grocery stores and shopping 2 different places.
I also still try to shop the sales when I can which is why I go to the bigger less stocked chain store.
I'm going to venture way outside my comfort zone today and go 20 miles to do some shopping for birthdays. But from what I've read of this little town, most of the small privately owned shops are refusing service if you're not wearing a mask, which makes me feel more comfortable. There are also stores such as Home Depot/Walmart/Lowes, etc. which I refuse to go into yet. I used to go there a couple x a month but haven't been since beginning of March. Kinda sad when you consider shopping 20 miles away from where you live an exciting trip. 
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Why are some stores able to have a good supply of most everything on hand yet another store has bare shelves up the ying-yang? And the better stocked store is a family-owned group of 3 stores. This is why I find myself going more times to grocery stores and shopping 2 different places. I also still try to shop the sales when I can which is why I go to the bigger less stocked chain store.
At least here grocery stores/chains have tight and often exclusive agreements with specific wholesale supply & logistics providers, which means that if their provider can't get the products for some reason, the store can't really get them either. Independent stores and chains often have more flexibility in who they can buy from, more possibilities to buy local produce etc.3 -
Yesterday at Costco, dh said there was no tp, paper towels, cleaning wipes, or hand soap (except a gallon bottle for $30, which he decided wasn't worth it). Not sure if people are stocking up again anticipating shortages, or for the holiday weekend, or ??? To be honest, I wasn't out of things, but have decided to try to stock up a little since we are older.3
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Why are some stores able to have a good supply of most everything on hand yet another store has bare shelves up the ying-yang? And the better stocked store is a family-owned group of 3 stores. This is why I find myself going more times to grocery stores and shopping 2 different places. I also still try to shop the sales when I can which is why I go to the bigger less stocked chain store.
I'm going to venture way outside my comfort zone today and go 20 miles to do some shopping for birthdays. But from what I've read of this little town, most of the small privately owned shops are refusing service if you're not wearing a mask, which makes me feel more comfortable. There are also stores such as Home Depot/Walmart/Lowes, etc. which I refuse to go into yet. I used to go there a couple x a month but haven't been since beginning of March. Kinda sad when you consider shopping 20 miles away from where you live an exciting trip.
I thought that about regions back in April when my state was one of the last to get TP again for some reason weeks after everyone else.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »I suppose I lean heavily toward the idea that the CDC lied to us versus they learned something new.
Which gives me very little confidence that they have individual well being high on the list at all.
I started wearing a mask to the grocery in March before almost anyone was because it was obvious that ANY protection was better than none to sneezes and coughs. Those droplets which carry the virus are big enough to be stopped by a mask. It was also known early on that asymptomatic folks could shed the virus to others. I also requested to work remotely mid March as soon as a single case was identified in our State. Before the SIP orders started or the closing downs started.
It makes me ANGRY in a lot of ways because even a bandana is better than nothing and I seriously doubt folks like me were going to stock pile medical grade masks or even have the ability to mass purchase them.
Just venting but I can't agree that they "learned" something. They knew this early on from China.
I got irritated at a story on our local news just tonight about how "bad" bandanas are at stopping droplets, because a simulated sneeze or cough spread droplets up to two feet through a bandana, compared to about half a foot through a quilted homemade mask. But they finally mentioned that without any face covering, simulated sneezes and coughs spread droplets up to eight feet (farther than the six-foot "safe" distance we're all being told to observe). So bandanas are much better than nothing. It was essentially a click bait story. If they had "teased" it and presented it as, "here's the relative value of different face coverings" instead of "bandanas are useless," that would have been fine.
This not an argument, I'm simply intending to extend the line of thought.
As a long-time fabric/fiber crafter. I find many of these stories about mask quality (and sometimes even the research that they're reporting/mis-stating/clickbaiting) to be very frustrating.
I'd like to see things that are technically reasonable and explanatory. Fabric has characteristics such as fiber type (cotton, silk, etc.), thread count, weight, type of construction (knit, woven, etc.) and more, specifying distinct characteristics of the fabric.
A "homemade mask" is a configuration of fabric, basically a shape (or multiple shapes, because there are variations with distinctly different fit, attachment method, number of layers, tendency to gap, etc.
A "bandana" is conventionally a square shape, usually with a certain type of print on it (the paisley one is common, but there are others), usually cotton. They come in various weights and thread counts (usually a narrow range), and while most are cotton, blends are possible.
Some articles/studies look at 'handkerchieves" which overlap in practice with bandanas, but cover a gigantic range of fabric types beyond the narrower "bandana" range, many fiber types, weights, etc.
Ditto for "pillowcase" or "sheet" fabric. I have cheap sheets you can literally see colors and shapes through in indoor light; and sheets so heavy they'd be useful as room-dimming curtains. The thread count varies all over the map. They're knit, flannel, and regular percale.
"Quilting fabric" of the classic type is a narrower range, but there's variation in weight, fiber content, and thread count even among things so labeled.
Any fabric (of sufficient size), one that might be called a "handkerchief" can be folded into a variety of shapes, and I have to believe that the shape/size aspect matters (number of layers, attachment, coverage, etc.).
The way most of these articles read, if I took a large square of heavy cotton, and folded it into a bandana shape (doubled or even quadrupled over the mouth/nose zone, tightly covering below the eyes down to a triangle tip that tucks into a shirt-front), that this provides inferior protection to a skimpy, gappy, low-thread-count, low-weight, synthetic blend "quilting fabric" mouth-nose "official homemade mask" with loose elastic connections.
Frankly, I think that's nonsense.9 -
I agree 100%! I have whittled my way through a good chunk of my fabric stash (100% cotton quilting fabric in various levels of quality). Some are so dense I don’t think I can safely wear them (asthma), others loose enough you can see through it, even with double layers. I used inexpensive poly blend sheets early on and they actually made a nice, soft, semi-breathable mask. And a bandana covering nose and mouth but open at the bottom will block more projecting particles than a proper mask worn improperly.lynn_glenmont wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »I suppose I lean heavily toward the idea that the CDC lied to us versus they learned something new.
Which gives me very little confidence that they have individual well being high on the list at all.
I started wearing a mask to the grocery in March before almost anyone was because it was obvious that ANY protection was better than none to sneezes and coughs. Those droplets which carry the virus are big enough to be stopped by a mask. It was also known early on that asymptomatic folks could shed the virus to others. I also requested to work remotely mid March as soon as a single case was identified in our State. Before the SIP orders started or the closing downs started.
It makes me ANGRY in a lot of ways because even a bandana is better than nothing and I seriously doubt folks like me were going to stock pile medical grade masks or even have the ability to mass purchase them.
Just venting but I can't agree that they "learned" something. They knew this early on from China.
I got irritated at a story on our local news just tonight about how "bad" bandanas are at stopping droplets, because a simulated sneeze or cough spread droplets up to two feet through a bandana, compared to about half a foot through a quilted homemade mask. But they finally mentioned that without any face covering, simulated sneezes and coughs spread droplets up to eight feet (farther than the six-foot "safe" distance we're all being told to observe). So bandanas are much better than nothing. It was essentially a click bait story. If they had "teased" it and presented it as, "here's the relative value of different face coverings" instead of "bandanas are useless," that would have been fine.
This not an argument, I'm simply intending to extend the line of thought.
As a long-time fabric/fiber crafter. I find many of these stories about mask quality (and sometimes even the research that they're reporting/mis-stating/clickbaiting) to be very frustrating.
I'd like to see things that are technically reasonable and explanatory. Fabric has characteristics such as fiber type (cotton, silk, etc.), thread count, weight, type of construction (knit, woven, etc.) and more, specifying distinct characteristics of the fabric.
A "homemade mask" is a configuration of fabric, basically a shape (or multiple shapes, because there are variations with distinctly different fit, attachment method, number of layers, tendency to gap, etc.
A "bandana" is conventionally a square shape, usually with a certain type of print on it (the paisley one is common, but there are others), usually cotton. They come in various weights and thread counts (usually a narrow range), and while most are cotton, blends are possible.
Some articles/studies look at 'handkerchieves" which overlap in practice with bandanas, but cover a gigantic range of fabric types beyond the narrower "bandana" range, many fiber types, weights, etc.
Ditto for "pillowcase" or "sheet" fabric. I have cheap sheets you can literally see colors and shapes through in indoor light; and sheets so heavy they'd be useful as room-dimming curtains. The thread count varies all over the map. They're knit, flannel, and regular percale.
"Quilting fabric" of the classic type is a narrower range, but there's variation in weight, fiber content, and thread count even among things so labeled.
Any fabric (of sufficient size), one that might be called a "handkerchief" can be folded into a variety of shapes, and I have to believe that the shape/size aspect matters (number of layers, attachment, coverage, etc.).
The way most of these articles read, if I took a large square of heavy cotton, and folded it into a bandana shape (doubled or even quadrupled over the mouth/nose zone, tightly covering below the eyes down to a triangle tip that tucks into a shirt-front), that this provides inferior protection to a skimpy, gappy, low-thread-count, low-weight, synthetic blend "quilting fabric" mouth-nose "official homemade mask" with loose elastic connections.
Frankly, I think that's nonsense.
I walk with two friends once a week and it’s been interesting hearing their changing thoughts and opinions on this whole situation. I had to bite my tongue this week because one lady was on an angry rant about masks (she hates them... they both hate them). I can’t relay even her general thoughts and opinions because it would violate board policies (religion)... I can understand her personal views on it, but I did gently tell her that likely the people upset with her about her lack of usage were likely (like myself) of the mindset that mask usage is less about protecting yourself and more about protecting others around you. She was HOT to say the least, and it made me so sad because I know both ladies are being fed a lot of misinformation via facebook (and then further sharing it).
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Since I no longer work for this company and no longer have a financial interest in it, I can now give links to their masks:
FDA certified KN95: https://www.vitaldepot.com/products/fda-certified-kn95-face-mask
N95 (just a few boxes of 20 left): https://www.vitaldepot.com/products/n95-face-mask-niosh-certified
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OMG, I just read this quote..........."It's a lot easier to wear a mask than a ventilator"............TRUTH10
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Today while checking out at a store, I noticed the cashier had on one of those crocheted masks that do absolutely no good at all. I thought oh my gosh, I thought those were only a joke, but they are real! And people really wear hem! As I got closer, I could see that it was covering her real mask. So hurray for her. The best of both worlds.13
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They should make masks with that printed on them!fitlulu4150 wrote: »OMG, I just read this quote..........."It's a lot easier to wear a mask than a ventilator"............TRUTH
It's just that so many people don't believe that they will wind up on a ventilator "I'm young and healthy and it's only the flu/it's a hoax/(fill in other excuse or inaccurate statistic)"7 -
Buttermello wrote: »I've been lurking on here and found it fascinating to read how other states or countries are handling the pandemic. I know a lot of individuals who have tested positive are 65+ or with underlying conditions, but I just found our my kid's summer nanny (21 year old healthy college student) tested positive. Thank goodness my kids were gone visiting my parents during the time frame she was around 1 friend who tested positive which prompted her to get tested. Seriously it was a one day difference when she was with my kids then saw her friend (who she hasn't seen in a month). I'm praying she doesn't suffer too much from it (so far she hasn't) and hopefully in 2-weeks she'll be symptom free and her doctor says she can return to society and my kids lives.
Around 40% of my patients are under age 65, and I have not had a single non covid positive patient since the middle of March.
The youngest I have seen die from covid is 23, without any preexisting conditions.
Wow thanks for sharing. My kids nanny checked in with me today and feels 99% herself. She’s staying away a bit longer, but will return next week.
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »OMG, I just read this quote..........."It's a lot easier to wear a mask than a ventilator"............TRUTH
I just read this article on line. It fits your posting.
A healthy 30-year-old man went to a crowded bar. He ended up in a hospital on a breathing tube https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/us/arizona-man-crowded-bar-covid-hospital/index.html
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »OMG, I just read this quote..........."It's a lot easier to wear a mask than a ventilator"............TRUTH
I just read this article on line. It fits your posting.
A healthy 30-year-old man went to a crowded bar. He ended up in a hospital on a breathing tube https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/us/arizona-man-crowded-bar-covid-hospital/index.html
This is crazy. I'm finding it hard to understand a bar with 500 people, even in normal times. But these are not normal times, and after bars were closed for a long time here, they reopened with lots of restrictions.
So of course that man is not likely to be the only person in the crowd who got infected that day.5 -
No social distancing at all today at the stores I was trying to get berries but these people were standing in front of them having a big conversation and I politely asked them to move but they wouldn’t so I couldn’t get berries.7
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I just read it's around 87% success rate versus the usual swabs at around 97-100% rate. The Sydney morning Herald said the 1st 100 test were done in Melbourne on Sunday and "We think it will play a role in bolstering testing reach across the state, particularly ... in vulnerable populations or in people who have trouble with the throat swab such as children or other individuals who find it more acceptable."
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/saliva-test-missing-about-13pc-of-covid-19-infections-early-studies-show-20200629-p557bh.html
I know this is a page or two back but I've been off line.
Anyway, sounds good - less accurate than nasal swabs but useful for general screening and for people who would not cope or co operate with nasal swabs - young children, people with dementia etc.
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Testing is going to be an ongoing part of the "new normal", so it's good to know a simple more manageable test is available.1
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corinasue1143 wrote: »Today while checking out at a store, I noticed the cashier had on one of those crocheted masks that do absolutely no good at all. I thought oh my gosh, I thought those were only a joke, but they are real! And people really wear hem! As I got closer, I could see that it was covering her real mask. So hurray for her. The best of both worlds.
That’s a thing?? Holy moly (hole-y moly, haha).
My husband wears cloth masks over his N95, and I sometimes wonder if his patients think “oh man, this dr is really just wearing a cloth Superman mask? You’re not the man of steel, dude”.6 -
LOL at your doctor husband wearing a superman mask. I'd like to switch to that doctor, please. 4
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