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My dd is a kindergarten teacher.. They start school in 3 weeks, I worry about her. & of course, for the gkids (ages13, 11, 10, & 9) who will be starting also. 2 of them start on the 13th & the other 2 on the 24th. They all have the option of in person or virtual learning, but virtual didn’t work too well for the ones whose Mom was working from home this spring. & teacher daughter figures if she is there, they might as well be also since no one home to supervise them. It is sad that the school expects them to make a decision soon, even though they can’t give them definite plans for how it will work. Of course, no one knows how it will work, thus no definite plans. I believe the people that say it could be lessened if everyone would wear a mask, but .....
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So update on schools here...
Another one of the schools that reopened already has 2 confirmed positive tests on teachers. Teachers who have has contact with other teachers, admins, and students.
This is just gonna go bad.
We haven't started yet but I fully expect our experience to be 100% the same here.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My employer with several sites across the U.S. (and other countries) announced a new policy today, effective immediately. The policy is that anyone who travels for personal reasons to a "red zone" state* is not allowed to come to the facility for 14 days after returning, and that it will be unpaid. There isn't anything clear about those of us who are able to work from home if we can work and get paid without having to come into the facility. It does state that if we live in a "red zone" state, then our home is not included in the policy (we can come to work anyway).
*Red zone state in the policy is defined as a state with a 7 day positive test rate of 10% or greater, which will be updated weekly.
More recently, testing has become scarce again in some places and that means the positive test rate increases (only people who are really sick are getting tested).
I'm thinking this policy may make some managers re-consider letting those of us who can WFH do so.
Interesting but how does the company tell if someone has been to a 'red" state?
Some of us were discussing that. We have to keep it very quiet, I suppose... honor system only goes so far. But of course, many of us talk about our vacations at least some. I know the dept. manager (I work in the dept, but am unusual as I report directly to someone at corp. and not to her) has vacation scheduled next month in a red state and everyone knows where she goes on her annual vacation every year.
The trouble is that it doesn't say in the policy whether we can WFH and get paid. Many of us did that for more than 2 months earlier, so we have proven we can do it. Our corp. office is still WFH and was already planned to be that way through Sept. I'm looking into that as an option in case my race on Sept. 6 still ends up happening.
Yeah, as company HR for 25ish people I’m surprisingly well aware of everyone’s whereabouts and travel plans. When this thing hit the fan in March, I was able to personally call out everyone who had recently traveled, ban them from the office and send them to quarantine working from home. People really do talk. Of course things like this are harder in a bigger company, but there’s probably some kind of shift manager or supervisor at least who would know these things about their team.
And yeah, this WFH issue is a prime example why ”follow cues from health officials” isn’t enough when writing company policy. There’s a lot of details to be considered.
Back in March all business travel was stopped. We often send people to the provincial capital for training and conferences, no more of that. Travel outside our district was "strongly discouraged" and our pre-work screen asked us to identify if we'd left the district in the past 14 days. Now that we are in Stage 3 reopening it says "out of the country". Federal quarantine law requires 14 days of self isolation coming into the country so no one should be presenting at work within that period anyway.
Our current policy is that employees are required to notify HR of any travel plans outside our district. One supervisor told me that she had to ask permission to visit her mum and stepdad in another part of the province that has considerably more cases than our area. I'm not sure if it was granted or not.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My employer with several sites across the U.S. (and other countries) announced a new policy today, effective immediately. The policy is that anyone who travels for personal reasons to a "red zone" state* is not allowed to come to the facility for 14 days after returning, and that it will be unpaid. There isn't anything clear about those of us who are able to work from home if we can work and get paid without having to come into the facility. It does state that if we live in a "red zone" state, then our home is not included in the policy (we can come to work anyway).
*Red zone state in the policy is defined as a state with a 7 day positive test rate of 10% or greater, which will be updated weekly.
More recently, testing has become scarce again in some places and that means the positive test rate increases (only people who are really sick are getting tested).
I'm thinking this policy may make some managers re-consider letting those of us who can WFH do so.
Interesting but how does the company tell if someone has been to a 'red" state?
Some of us were discussing that. We have to keep it very quiet, I suppose... honor system only goes so far. But of course, many of us talk about our vacations at least some. I know the dept. manager (I work in the dept, but am unusual as I report directly to someone at corp. and not to her) has vacation scheduled next month in a red state and everyone knows where she goes on her annual vacation every year.
The trouble is that it doesn't say in the policy whether we can WFH and get paid. Many of us did that for more than 2 months earlier, so we have proven we can do it. Our corp. office is still WFH and was already planned to be that way through Sept. I'm looking into that as an option in case my race on Sept. 6 still ends up happening.
Yeah, as company HR for 25ish people I’m surprisingly well aware of everyone’s whereabouts and travel plans. When this thing hit the fan in March, I was able to personally call out everyone who had recently traveled, ban them from the office and send them to quarantine working from home. People really do talk. Of course things like this are harder in a bigger company, but there’s probably some kind of shift manager or supervisor at least who would know these things about their team.
And yeah, this WFH issue is a prime example why ”follow cues from health officials” isn’t enough when writing company policy. There’s a lot of details to be considered.
Just a good reason to keep some aspects of one's personal life out of the workplace IMO. Anything you say can and will be used against you lol.
Yep, agreed. I pro-actively blocked everyone I work with on Facebook. But I do talk about races at work, but not all the weekend trips I do when not racing.
For sure. I'm friendly at work, talking sports, activities etc, but not so much where I'm going or have recently been, private family matters, etc.
I think my races are one of the very few personal things I do talk about at work. When my grandpa died in April, I was WFH, but I did let a few people know about that in advance of potentially taking bereavement leave. If not for that, I wouldn't have said anything otherwise. In the end, I didn't take any time off because it was just a grave-side service limited to 10 people anyway and I didn't want to take the travel risk. Same happened when my grandma went into the hospital in June - she was unlikely to make it, so I gave a couple of people an advanced warning that I might end up taking a few days off to go to the funeral and back at some point. But in her case, surprisingly, she actually survived. That was extraordinarily unlikely... nearly impossible with the condition she was in, but somehow she pulled through. Anyway, these types of things that affect others, I let the 2 people know that need to know. That would be my boss (at corp. office) and the dept. manager of the location where I'm working because that would mean she needs to cover for me while I'm out. In the first case, I let HR know as well when I asked about how much bereavement leave was allowed for that relationship. My company's policy allows different amounts of time depending upon the relationship, which I see as odd since it would take the same amount of time to travel, attend the funeral, and travel back regardless. However, I suppose the theory may be that an employee needs more time if a closer relationship as that person is more likely to be involved in planning the funeral.6 -
So update on schools here...
Another one of the schools that reopened already has 2 confirmed positive tests on teachers. Teachers who have has contact with other teachers, admins, and students.
This is just gonna go bad.
https://thedailybeast.com/a-summer-camp-took-almost-every-precaution-the-majority-of-kids-still-got-covid-19
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
I really wish they'd not reopen schools until, at the very least, the 2nd half of the school year. Yes, it'll be tough but maybe, just maybe, things will be a little better by then. With everyone travelling now, and seeing as how we're already hearing of it spreading with the earlier opening schools, you'd think they'd wait.
They may not have a choice when too many of the teachers and staff start getting it.
Stay healthy everyone, please!!!9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
I really wish they'd not reopen schools until, at the very least, the 2nd half of the school year. Yes, it'll be tough but maybe, just maybe, things will be a little better by then. With everyone travelling now, and seeing as how we're already hearing of it spreading with the earlier opening schools, you'd think they'd wait. They may not have a choice when too many of the teachers and staff start getting it.
Stay healthy everyone, please!!!
I think we all agree with you but money carries a lot of weight and some states are at risk of failing but the big thing like the people in Germany I read about is in some states the people are about ready to take governors heads over mishandling to the pandemic. We went into this more or less blind and now the populations are in rebellion of some shape or form around the world now. Child abuse typically comes from adults. If as some doctors predict this is not over until spring of 2022 a lot of suffering is coming to the kids and the rest of us. This thing is just getting too large to wrap one's head around.
Sadly there are more than a few parents that want the kids out of the house at any cost.7 -
I am so frustrated with people.
My husband and I tried to go on an early walk this morning on a local trail.
The trail was PACKED with large groups of runners...all geared up in their marathon shirts, running in tightly packed groups of 10-12 people. A few wearing masks, but most not. All were talking loudly, laughing, obviously breathing heavily, right in each other's faces. There were people of all ages...some definitely old enough to be in a high-risk category.
After encountering about 6-7 of these groups, we abandoned our walk, doubled back and went home. We had our masks on, but the trail is narrow, without much room to move out of their way. The runners were also unwilling to interrupt their conversations and pass us single file so we could have more room.
There were a few other people we saw walking...an elderly couple decided to abandon the trail at the same time we did. The older gentleman said to his wife "This is not worth it."
All of the cancelled official races have led to people doing "virtual" marathons, which is obviously what that was this morning. What is the point of cancelling the race if people are just going to get together in big groups anyways?
This is why this virus is not going away.23 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I am so frustrated with people.
My husband and I tried to go on an early walk this morning on a local trail.
The trail was PACKED with large groups of runners...all geared up in their marathon shirts, running in tightly packed groups of 10-12 people. A few wearing masks, but most not. All were talking loudly, laughing, obviously breathing heavily, right in each other's faces. There were people of all ages...some definitely old enough to be in a high-risk category.
After encountering about 6-7 of these groups, we abandoned our walk, doubled back and went home. We had our masks on, but the trail is narrow, without much room to move out of their way. The runners were also unwilling to interrupt their conversations and pass us single file so we could have more room.
There were a few other people we saw walking...an elderly couple decided to abandon the trail at the same time we did. The older gentleman said to his wife "This is not worth it."
All of the cancelled official races have led to people doing "virtual" marathons, which is obviously what that was this morning. What is the point of cancelling the race if people are just going to get together in big groups anyways?
This is why this virus is not going away.
I agree this virus is not going away shortly. Events that goes against COVID suggestions and mandates risk lawsuits where the unsanctioned events are just people being people.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
I really wish they'd not reopen schools until, at the very least, the 2nd half of the school year. Yes, it'll be tough but maybe, just maybe, things will be a little better by then. With everyone travelling now, and seeing as how we're already hearing of it spreading with the earlier opening schools, you'd think they'd wait. They may not have a choice when too many of the teachers and staff start getting it.
Stay healthy everyone, please!!!
This thing is just getting too large to wrap one's head around.
Sadly there are more than a few parents that want the kids out of the house at any cost.
Both these statements are so true. And scary as well.
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Morning all..
Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
And they were thieves Jo. Not sure about the ladies part still.1 -
GaleHawkins-Oh No- and can't they see how we in the USA are sick and dying-- the Germans nor any other country -they do not need to "follow" us esp. in rebelling at health officials trying to keep us safe- no sir- not at all!!!!
https://apnews.com/ef70c1af702b89c23e71fcd843e63293--your link2 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
Looking at that map, they could have infected hundreds traipsing around, including a medical facility.
Sorry to hear things have gone badly in Australia. Some parts of Canada have seen increases but my little corner of Nowhere is still doing pretty well. I've never been so grateful to live in a remote sparsely populated place. 8 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
And they were thieves Jo. Not sure about the ladies part still.
Yes, I did read somewhere that part of the reason for their deception was a shoplifting spree.slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
Looking at that map, they could have infected hundreds traipsing around, including a medical facility.
Sorry to hear things have gone badly in Australia. Some parts of Canada have seen increases but my little corner of Nowhere is still doing pretty well. I've never been so grateful to live in a remote sparsely populated place.
Yes, they have done a great deal of damage and for a while one of them would not even say where she'd been.
I too am lucky to be in a fairly remote area in a small town. We had 2 cases very early on but none for months now. I'm praying it stays that way.
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janejellyroll wrote: »I was heartened when I ran to the store this a.m., needing a few things we're out of. A sign on their door read something to the affect that if you're not wearing a mask, you cannot enter the store. THAT made me happy. But then I go in and there are still 5 out of maybe 25 people NOT wearing a mask. WTH? Back up your signage and make them go home to get their mask or have disposables on hand to offer them! Otherwise, you lose all sense of credibility. And why bother posting a sign at all??
My sister and I went to a book store yesterday that posted a sign on their door, 'Please wear a mask covering nose and mouth at all times'. My sister had a mask and we'd just entered but she forgot to pull it up. The worker came right over and politely asked her to cover her nose; my sister apologized and the lady was very polite.
What a difference in how store policies are being handled.
Others have mentioned the shooting/stabbing (which happened around here).
I suspect that in addition to differences in store policy or employee assertiveness, there may be differences in the nature of the average shopper in particular kinds of stores, that comes into play. Obviously, any kind of person may go anywhere, but there's a reason bars frequently have bouncers, and bookstores rarely do.
Grocery stores get everyone in them, though different chains may appeal to different sub-markets. Bookstores, though there's variation of course, may on average have a narrower range of probable habitues.
What differences?? If it's the policy, just enforce it. I know I CANNOT go inside anywhere without one, so I keep one in my pocket. On approaching the door, out comes my mask, and then i can enter. No fuss, no argument.
Not everyone is Ok to do what they are asked as you are and I am the same. I'd do it no problem. How can every place there enforce this? I'm not from USA and don't have what is happening there Covid wise as much but is there even enough guards they can hire to do this? How do you think this can be done?
I'm not from the USA either, but here they already hire guards at every supermarket, bank, post office, government agency, shopping mall, etc. It just needs one of those guards at or near the door to be on policy enforcement rather than crime watch. It has simply become part of their job. But I don't see anyone aggressively approaching the door with any intention of defying the guard. Its usually a polite conversation, gentle reminder if necessary, then please proceed.
Some locations are doing temperature checks as well, and a family of four were recently asked to remain on the outside pending a recheck because the mother and youngest son had temperatures above the allowed limit. I don't know what happened 10 minutes later when it was taken again. But it wasn't a fight, just a pleasant conversation.
But lots of smaller retailers don't have guards and even with larger stores the on-site security is more focused on loss prevention than enforcing regulations.
Shop front photos taken during my walk this morning.
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
And they were thieves Jo. Not sure about the ladies part still.
Yes, I did read somewhere that part of the reason for their deception was a shoplifting spree.slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
Looking at that map, they could have infected hundreds traipsing around, including a medical facility.
Sorry to hear things have gone badly in Australia. Some parts of Canada have seen increases but my little corner of Nowhere is still doing pretty well. I've never been so grateful to live in a remote sparsely populated place.
Yes, they have done a great deal of damage and for a while one of them would not even say where she'd been.
I too am lucky to be in a fairly remote area in a small town. We had 2 cases very early on but none for months now. I'm praying it stays that way.
I love where you are. We've camped near there all our lives when young and hubby's family is from not far away too. Stay safe beautiful.1 -
Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
Hopefully nipped in bud better there
Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.
Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.2 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
And they were thieves Jo. Not sure about the ladies part still.
Yes, I did read somewhere that part of the reason for their deception was a shoplifting spree.slimgirljo15 wrote: »Morning all.. Well, crap hit the fan in Victoria and I fear Sydney is on its way. Australia was doing so well, a month ago I could almost see things getting back to normalish. Businesses were opening back up, restrictions lifting then "boom" cases have spiralled out of control in Victoria, borders were tightened but too late.
Hot spots all over Sydney now. 😒
I shake my head at the unbelievable selfishness of people, these 3 ladies couldn't have cared less about anyone but themselves.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498
Stay safe and well everyone ..
Looking at that map, they could have infected hundreds traipsing around, including a medical facility.
Sorry to hear things have gone badly in Australia. Some parts of Canada have seen increases but my little corner of Nowhere is still doing pretty well. I've never been so grateful to live in a remote sparsely populated place.
Yes, they have done a great deal of damage and for a while one of them would not even say where she'd been.
I too am lucky to be in a fairly remote area in a small town. We had 2 cases very early on but none for months now. I'm praying it stays that way.
I love where you are. We've camped near there all our lives when young and hubby's family is from not far away too. Stay safe beautiful.
Thank you Sue, you too 🙂paperpudding wrote: »Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
Hopefully nipped in bud better there
Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.
Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.
I hope you stay safe and the tight border restrictions save you from ending where we are right now. I think our borders with Victoria should have been much tighter , earlier than it was.. I just knew it wouldn't go well. 😔
I feel New South Wales is on the edge of a precipice and we are about to fall.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
Hopefully nipped in bud better there
Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.
Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.
So do I so you are welcome to have the men kicking balls instead of us lol. Ok joking now but jez they can stay home. Make their millions down south somewhere.0 -
While I was driving back from a semi-open-air farm stand, I saw what looked like an extended family gathering on somebody's front lawn (wide range of ages, from toddlers to elderly). Nobody was masked, and folks were talking at much less than six-feet distance.
It just made me sad. We've already had over 3500 people die in my state, and it's not a very big state, and our trends are not going down. The governor just mandated masks in all indoor spaces and outdoors where you can't maintain social distance.
I know it's hard not to able to see family in person and close up, and I'm sad that people have to choose between normal interactions that feed the soul and nurture family bonds, and social distancing. But if we don't start all taking this seriously, we are never going to get it under control. I want to get back to a real normal, not a fake normal where they lift restrictions but everybody with a grain of sense knows that's just going to create a new surge.9 -
When Virginia's guidelines said no group gatherings over 10 people, my family said having a family dinner would be fine because it's 9 people. I tried to explain that I didn't care what the state guidelines were, there wasn't room for all 9 of us to sit and eat far enough apart indoors. I'm shocked by how much most people (Americans, at least) want to grasp onto any out-of-context detail that just makes everything ok. As someone who lives alone and is working from home, I know how the loneliness can weigh on you. I'm afraid I'm missing important time with my little nephews, and my parents. But we are making this so much worse than it needs to be by not just swallowing our medicine and getting it over with!19
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GaleHawkins-Oh No- and can't they see how we in the USA are sick and dying-- the Germans nor any other country -they do not need to "follow" us esp. in rebelling at health officials trying to keep us safe- no sir- not at all!!!!
https://apnews.com/ef70c1af702b89c23e71fcd843e63293--your link
How did you break my link.
https://apnews.com/ef70c1af702b89c23e71fcd843e63293
Thousands protest in Berlin against coronavirus restrictions
By GEIR MOULSON
yesterday
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
Hopefully nipped in bud better there
Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.
Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.
So do I so you are welcome to have the men kicking balls instead of us lol. Ok joking now but jez they can stay home. Make their millions down south somewhere.paperpudding wrote: »Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
Hopefully nipped in bud better there
Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.
Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.
So do I so you are welcome to have the men kicking balls instead of us lol. Ok joking now but jez they can stay home. Make their millions down south somewhere.
Haha.
I'd love to get to an AFL match again, I usually go to a couple a year.
Won't be happening this year with limited crowd numbers - and my team isn't worth watching this year anyway.
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We went out to breakfast at Perkins Friday morning. Everyone had masks on, servers and customers coming in. They wrote down our name and phone number before we were seated, for possible notification of a known Covid case being reported. They were set up with plenty of distance between diners. No utensils or condiments on the table. They came in individual containers along with our food. It appeared to be very clean in the restaurant. I was impressed. It appeared that they are doing things the right way. There’s always risk, but we felt happy with their effort.
The bars in Minneapolis have been ordered to not allow patrons to sit, or stand at the actual bar. Upticks of Covid, through contact tracing in Minneapolis, has traced back to bars in the city. I’m not convinced that will solve the problem, but may help a bit. People want normalcy, and it’s human nature to think, “it won’t happen to me”. It’s an unfortunate, selfish attitude. No one is immune. Love and consideration, for yourself, loved ones, family, friends, and incidental contacts needs to be paramount in trying to contain this until there’s a vaccine. Opening businesses and schools needs to be done in the safest possible manner, if done at all.7 -
When Virginia's guidelines said no group gatherings over 10 people, my family said having a family dinner would be fine because it's 9 people. I tried to explain that I didn't care what the state guidelines were, there wasn't room for all 9 of us to sit and eat far enough apart indoors. I'm shocked by how much most people (Americans, at least) want to grasp onto any out-of-context detail that just makes everything ok. As someone who lives alone and is working from home, I know how the loneliness can weigh on you. I'm afraid I'm missing important time with my little nephews, and my parents. But we are making this so much worse than it needs to be by not just swallowing our medicine and getting it over with!
Exactly. And I'm afraid we're simply going to limp along until the day when everyone can get a vaccine, which IMO will be quite awhile. 4 -
https://newsweek.com/sweden-which-never-had-lockdown-sees-covid-19-cases-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626
https://g.co/kgs/rCM8qn
I see Sweden as a leading indicator for western nations.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://newsweek.com/sweden-which-never-had-lockdown-sees-covid-19-cases-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=~SWE
I see Sweden as a leading indicator for western nations.
I changed out the second link above to read:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=~SWE://
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That’s a very selective thing to focus on. Sweden has about one and a half times the population of Tennessee, and many times the number of deaths. The most significant quote from the article is the last paragraph, pointing out that they have more deaths per capita than, hmm, pretty much every other nation which did have a lockdown.GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://newsweek.com/sweden-which-never-had-lockdown-sees-covid-19-cases-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=~SWE
I see Sweden as a leading indicator for western nations.
I changed out the second link above to read:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=~SWE://
It makes sense that Sweden’s cases are dropping now, as their government belatedly freaks out and asks people to social distance, while the rest of Europe is rising as they open up.
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